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Will we get a chance at seeing potential FA QB Jay Cutler this week?
Trestman has said that he will be the starter once he is medically cleared (and with good reason. McCown put up nice numbers vs. Dallas but he had 2 easy INTs dropped and a 3rd negated by a penalty away from the play).
Be interesting to see what the Bears passing attack can do against our defense. Honestly though, it's Forte's ability that scares me the most (as guys like Reggie Bush and Vereen have destroyed us all year).
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Yeah, Forte scares me as' well. Our run defense seems to have... declined some these past few games. Count Bryant out now, we got Winn to plug up the run which he is good at, but the rotation is skewed and hurt. Armonty Bryant has a hard time shedding linemen once them paws get on him. He looks like a linebacker playing DE in terms of size.
We'll see... as for Cutler, we'll see about him too. Personally I think Horton going to bring the heat and Cutler looking to get a harsh welcome back by our defense and look like a Weeden. JMO...
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j/c Could this be Cutler's audition? 
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Just say No to waterdawg... 
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Well that was interesting ;... PS I don't play QB , HELLO ! 
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It wasn't meant to be "interesting", but rather "entertaining"...
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Honestly though, it's Forte's ability that scares me the most (as guys like Reggie Bush and Vereen have destroyed us all year).
How many 100 yard rushers have we allowed this year? I think our run D has been stout.
On the other hand, Chicago's defense has allowed a 100 yard rusher for a bunch of games in a row......somewhere around 7, I think. I bet the streak gets stopped this week. I can't envision any of our backs gaining 100.
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I think they're talking about him catching passes out of the backfield. Forte is a pass-catching demon.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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and lord knows our LB's can't keep up with RB's.
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I think they're talking about him catching passes out of the backfield. Forte is a pass-catching demon.
Yessir. Thanks for saving me the response.
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Maybe they wouldn't have to if our SS could cover? Seriously man, we are asking LBers to cover RBs on wheel routes 40--50 yards down the field.
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I have never been as impressed with Cutler as some are/have been.
He has a great deal of physical talent, but his production has never matched that level of talent.
He's a solid guy, but I don't see that incredible talent, upside, and stability that some do.
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Just say No to Cutler .
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I have never been as impressed with Cutler as some are/have been.
He has a great deal of physical talent, but his production has never matched that level of talent.
He's a solid guy, but I don't see that incredible talent, upside, and stability that some do.
While I agree with your take on Cutler, I can't help but laugh at your choice of wording. Change "Cutler" to "Weeden"..........and it's you pimping weeden for 2 years.
Regardless.......this whole "get cutler" crap has to stop. Injury prone, would cost way too much, and he won't move the Browns forward in any appreciable manner.
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Once more I'll admit that I was wrong about Weeden.
(for the 20th or so time so far)
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Cutler = Romo = 10th-15th QB in the NFL depending on the day
while it's not great, it's better than we have had.
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while it's not great, it's better than we have had.
We have "good" right now.
I want to try to find great. I want us to try relentlessly, until we do find that great QB.
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Browns are in an interesting position. The next 2 draft classes are pretty deep at QB. And really there's no reason to not draft a QB. They really have to scout out every option there and make sure they can go and get their guy.
With that being said...
I wouldn't mind dropping a load of cash on Cutler for like a 2 year deal. His big arm works for Norv's style. Make it an "Audition" period. It'll give this team a "Security Blanket" while the team goes and looks for the future.
If Cutler pans out well. Then there will be a surplus of talent on the team and more bait for more talent.
If he doesn't, then there is solace in knowing that they got Their guy in the wings.
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Why would Cutler accept a 2 year "show me" deal, when he's going to be looking for the final contract of his career?
He is probably going to look for a 4-5 year deal with substantial guaranteed money, and a total value in the $50-$60 million range. I suspect that a team will give it to him as well, given that even decent starting QBs rarely hit the open market. I do hope that it's not us that drops a bundle of money on him. .
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How many LB's can?
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Jason Campbell has over 1,300 yds, 9TD's and only 3 INT's and a QB Rating of 88... in only 5 games started.
I know that it is always popular to discount what you have for what you hope to get, but why do folks want to cut the guy we have under contract for someone we don't?
No, he isn't Peyton Manning, but he's not Charlie Frye, either. We have him and Hoyer.... all we're missing is the guy we take in the Draft.
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How many LB's can?
and on top of that... our LB's are some of the fastest LB's in the NFL. I did the research and posted it in the off-season.
people make assumptions too much.
Many people are complaining about Robertson... our LB's play more zone than I can ever remember. It's hard to chase down a guy that is already running with below 4.4 speed when our LB's run 4.5 at speed that is standing still.
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and lord knows our LB's can't keep up with RB's.
How many LB's can?
and on top of that... our LB's are some of the fastest LB's in the NFL. I did the research and posted it in the off-season.
people make assumptions too much.
Many people are complaining about Robertson... our LB's play more zone than I can ever remember. It's hard to chase down a guy that is already running with below 4.4 speed when our LB's run 4.5 at speed that is standing still.
What I know is this: we effectively run the very same defense that Pittsburgh has run for decades. They tend to not have their LB's get abused by RB's while we do.
I'll let other folks figure out the How's and Why's, but there is very clearly something wrong with this picture.
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and lord knows our LB's can't keep up with RB's.
How many LB's can?
and on top of that... our LB's are some of the fastest LB's in the NFL. I did the research and posted it in the off-season.
people make assumptions too much.
Many people are complaining about Robertson... our LB's play more zone than I can ever remember. It's hard to chase down a guy that is already running with below 4.4 speed when our LB's run 4.5 at speed that is standing still.
i don't agree.
this reply is for you and vers. just so i don't have to quote everything.
i don't expect our LB's to cover receivers 20 yards down field. what i DO expect, is for the to cover the flats, which they suck at.
i expect them to cover the RB's catching passes in the middle of the field inside 7 yards from the LOS, which they suck at.
you guys are getting covering RB's like WR's confused with covering RB's who catch passes out the backfield or in the middle of the field as a check down. which is our LB's responsibility, which they suck at.
DQ is our only good coverage LB.
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Jason Campbell has over 1,300 yds, 9TD's and only 3 INT's and a QB Rating of 88... in only 5 games started.
I know that it is always popular to discount what you have for what you hope to get, but why do folks want to cut the guy we have under contract for someone we don't?
No, he isn't Peyton Manning, but he's not Charlie Frye, either. We have him and Hoyer.... all we're missing is the guy we take in the Draft.
Not sure where I said that we should cut him. 
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and lord knows our LB's can't keep up with RB's.
How many LB's can?
and on top of that... our LB's are some of the fastest LB's in the NFL. I did the research and posted it in the off-season.
people make assumptions too much.
Many people are complaining about Robertson... our LB's play more zone than I can ever remember. It's hard to chase down a guy that is already running with below 4.4 speed when our LB's run 4.5 at speed that is standing still.
What I know is this: we effectively run the very same defense that Pittsburgh has run for decades. They tend to not have their LB's get abused by RB's while we do.
I'll let other folks figure out the How's and Why's, but there is very clearly something wrong with this picture.
Yeah, but apparently we were discussing speed
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What scares me the most is that we have 5'9 and 5'10" cornerbacks and the Bears have very physical and talented 6'4" wide receivers on both sides..
And I'm on the "No to Cutler" bandwagon... He honestly reminds me of watching Weeden on one of his better days... he makes some throws that wow you but you just sit and watch and wait for the INT that is inevitably coming at the worst possible time.. He is much better than Weeden on average, don't get me wrong.. but he has the same tendencies as Weeden...
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and lord knows our LB's can't keep up with RB's.
How many LB's can?
and on top of that... our LB's are some of the fastest LB's in the NFL. I did the research and posted it in the off-season.
people make assumptions too much.
Many people are complaining about Robertson... our LB's play more zone than I can ever remember. It's hard to chase down a guy that is already running with below 4.4 speed when our LB's run 4.5 at speed that is standing still.
What I know is this: we effectively run the very same defense that Pittsburgh has run for decades. They tend to not have their LB's get abused by RB's while we do.
I'll let other folks figure out the How's and Why's, but there is very clearly something wrong with this picture.
Yeah, but apparently we were discussing speed
speed is a factor as much as coverages. we have the speed...
Personally, I think teams have found something in our alignment to know when our LB's are in a zone or /m2m.
Also, I believe that people are saying Robertson/Jackson are getting picked on by crossing routes and when they are in m2m coverage. Keep in mind that they are an ILB not an OLB and they have to make up ground covering a TE/WR that is not lined up near them.
we play a ton of LB zone and other teams know it.
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Jason Campbell has over 1,300 yds, 9TD's and only 3 INT's and a QB Rating of 88... in only 5 games started.
I know that it is always popular to discount what you have for what you hope to get, but why do folks want to cut the guy we have under contract for someone we don't?
No, he isn't Peyton Manning, but he's not Charlie Frye, either. We have him and Hoyer.... all we're missing is the guy we take in the Draft.
That's pretty much how I feel.
Makes it all the better that we don't have to rush whoever we draft on to the field next year. I'm fine with that guy starting out as a 3QB and earning his way up the food chain.
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Horton in these losses hasgone back to rush 3 or four. Notice cushions outside have been regularly 8 + yards off; AND we still got beat. Hit receivers on LOS more. And we WERE able to blitz effectively earlier this season. If it works, it seems we abandon it.  
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I'd have no problem with Cutler, but lets be serious, they are going to Franchise tag him.
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most likely. though they'd be tying up $20mil+ to do so until they worked out a longer term deal with him.
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I'd have no problem with Cutler, but lets be serious, they are going to Franchise tag him.
most likely. though they'd be tying up $20mil+ to do so until they worked out a longer term deal with him.
That's what I meant, they are either going to sign him or franchise him. He's not leaving Chicago.
IT's funny on these boards. We're always clamoring for a Franchise QB, but when proven Vets like Alex Smith, Peyton Manning or Jay Cutler might become available we find reasons to discredit them and say we can do better.
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most likely. though they'd be tying up $20mil+ to do so until they worked out a longer term deal with him.
That's what I meant, they are either going to sign him or franchise him. He's not leaving Chicago.
IT's funny on these boards. We're always clamoring for a Franchise QB, but when proven Vets like Alex Smith, Peyton Manning or Jay Cutler might become available we find reasons to discredit them and say we can do better.
I think most fans want a young guy to be drafted and groomed into our system, the way that most good teams do it.
I discredited Manning right away because I knew he wasn't going to the Browns.
I still don't think Alex Smith does anything more than what Campbell has done, and we didn't have to give up anything for Campbell.
I wouldn't be against Jay Cutler. I do think there is a chance that he doesn't stay with the Bears. They are notorious for not wanting to spend money, and franchising Cutler would cost a ton of money and create the same issue next year that they have right now and that's not knowing the future.
Plus I'm impressed with what Trestman has done with a McCown brother.
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They have a lot of free agents coming up this season and mentioned they can't really franchise Jay and still get all the other guys they want to keep. So they'll either sign him longterm or let him walk (very unlikely on the walking option).
Of course, if they start him 2-3 of the last few games and he plays like crap, they may not want him around. Josh is showing what a traditional QB that plays within the system can do with these receivers. Jay takes too many risks and doesn't follow the system, so I could see a situation where they just don't think he can fit here, but again, it's unlikely.
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Is there a QB in this draft of Jay Cutlers quality? No.
I think the best way to approach it is the way Seattle did it with Flynn, Jackson and Wilson. Pay a free agent to come in and still draft a QB. You really cannot count on Hoyer at this point.
Sign Cutler
Draft a QB
Keep Cambell or Hoyer
Cut either Cambell or Hoyer.
Let them hash it out.
It's absolutely a pipe dream due to the amount of money Cutler will demand, but I think it's a smart guideline to follow. We did it with Mingo, Sheard and Kruger and I think by and large we consider that a success.
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Is there a QB in this draft of Jay Cutlers quality? No.
I think the best way to approach it is the way Seattle did it with Flynn, Jackson and Wilson. Pay a free agent to come in and still draft a QB. You really cannot count on Hoyer at this point.
Sign Cutler
Draft a QB
Keep Cambell or Hoyer
Cut either Cambell or Hoyer.
Let them hash it out.
It's absolutely a pipe dream due to the amount of money Cutler will demand, but I think it's a smart guideline to follow. We did it with Mingo, Sheard and Kruger and I think by and large we consider that a success.
Paying a QB and drafting one in same year didn't seem to bother Seattle at all, haha.
And I mean we do have the money.
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If we already have two backups, at worst, and nobody in this draft is even equal to Cutler - who isn't all that special, by the way - then WHY would we draft ANY QB from this class????
One, or both, of your statements make little sense.
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