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In 97 Indy won 3 games. In 98 they won three games...

Back to back 3 wins seasons is a solid team? Well then we must be super prepared.

You have this grandiose idea of building a "perfect team" and slotting a QB in there... Guess what.. It rarely ever happens...

Seattle was TERRIBLE two years before Wilson got there, and went 7-9 the year before.. And he (IMO) isn't as talented as some of the guys coming out this year...

We are far better off right now than most teams that play a first round pick.. This isn't the team Couch got killed behind.. Couch would of flourished on this team...

If you don't like these guys, that's fine, whatever, but to try to make this some statistical breakdown is ridiculous..

Correlation versus Causation.




Seattle is a bad example and that is exactly what Seattle did when they added Wilson by adding talent around a QB.(who was supposed to be the backup) Also, Wilson wasn't a first round QB. There really was a ton of talent added to that team...

Sure, Manning played his first year and the team went 3-13. Prior, they only had one bad season in a while leading up the the draft of Manning. in his second year the team went 13-3


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So because something goes against what you said. Its a "bad example"

Gotcha.


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So because something goes against what you said. Its a "bad example"

Gotcha.




This whole thing started because I said I didn't want to draft any of these QB's in the first round. I said we needed to get a placeholder QB in FA, let Hoyer start while (f we do draft a first rounder) the First round QB sits the bench for the first year or draft a QB in the second or third round that can sit.

I even laid out how a good/great first round QB's are around 70% more likely for a first round QB to be a good/great when they play on a team that was good 2 years prior or they sat that rookie for a the first year.

A rookie QB will likely not turn the team around next year and they are more likely to get broken before they can develop. Stafford has only had one winning season, Bradford hasn't had one yet. RG3 is an unknown.

I showed facts since 1998 as to why a QB that starts on a bad team has around a 10-12% chance on a team (that was perennially terrible) and still have the QB turn out to be good.

so yes, from our initial argument... it is a "bad example"


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This all started because you tried to use stats.


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Yeah but ......

Let's assume that we re-sign Mack and Ward.

We still easily have enough cap room to add 3 or 4 players. Let's remain confined to offense right now.

Let's say that we sign a veteran OL for the right side, and a veteran WR.

Now what are the needs for offense?

QB, RB, another WR, 2nd TE, and maybe one more OL for the right side.

We have 6 picks in the 1st 4 rounds. We should be able to find starters at some positions, and secondary role players at others in those picks.

Let's make a few assumptions. We aren't going to go all offense with our picks.

Let's say that we go QB at 4, and a defensive player at 27. (not out of the question)

In the 2nd, we draft a WR. (not out of the question)

In the 3rd round, we grab a starting caliber RB. (not out of the question) We go defense with our 2nd 3rd rounder.

In the 4th, we take a TE to back up Cameron. Maybe we grab a Guard or Tackle with our 2nd 4th rounder.

We use a 1st and a 3rd to plug holes in the defense. (maybe CB and ILB)

All I am saying is that this team, with a solid off-season, could turn the corner in a big time way. The holes are not so huge that they can't be plugged, unless, of course, we refuse to do so. It's not like this team is bereft of talent.

So yes, I do believe that we should take a QB at 4 as long as one of the top 3 are there to be taken. We need to find our QB ASAP ....... and if we make a mistake, then so be it. The Panthers took Jimmy Claussen one year, then Cam Newton the next. The Chargers once had Brees, and drafted Rivers. Whether or not the high pick QB works out or not it is always wise to have a backup plan in place until we find our guy. Maybe Hoyer is just OK, and the rookie this year isn't blowing anyone's doors off and we draft another QB next year. So what? We need a QB. Desperately. This team goes nowhere until we find a QB to drive it where we want to go. We are in a desperate position, and sometimes desperation requires desperate measures. We need a QB, and it is time to work on this problem until it is solved ... especially this year when we have assets galore.


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Nah. Lets just wait. I mean. Eventually a QB will just show up for us.


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One of the most talked about college football players of the last decade has been Texas A&M star quarterback Johnny Manziel. During the 2012 season, Manziel won the Heisman Trophy after throwing for 3,706 yards and 26 touchdowns with a completion percentage of 68.0 percent. For an encore, Manziel improved in almost every statistical category in 2013, passing for 4,114 yards and 37 touchdowns with a completion percentage of 69.9 percent. Moving forward, the Manziel conversation will now border on whether or not the Texas A&M standout is worthy of a first round selection come May.
I have watched nine tapes of Manziel from the last two seasons, three from 2012 and six from 2013. My conclusion is that Johnny Football is one hell of a player. Manziel lacks ideal quarterback size to play in the NFL, as he is listed at 6’1 – 210, but I’m not sure that is accurate. If I had to estimate, I’d say Manziel will measure 6004 -205 at February’s Combine. On tape, the dual-threat signal-caller looks as if he added 10-15 pounds between the 2012 and 2013 seasons. But that added weight cost him a bit of play speed. On 2012 tape I thought Manziel’s play speed was at worst 4.50. But in 2013 he looked closer to 4.60.
But while Manziel may have lost a little speed, it’s worth noting that he is still extremely quick and may have the quickest feet I have ever seen on a quarterback.
Manziel almost always lines up in the spread formation. There were only a handful of plays that I saw where he took a snap from under center. Texas A&M runs a read option offense and Manziel is excellent at running that particular scheme. He has a running back’s mentality when it comes to carrying the football and he is very elusive in the open field. He uses that quickness and elusiveness to keep plays alive on passing downs and is excellent at finding an open receiver and throwing with accuracy on the run. When Manziel is able to stay in the pocket, he has an excellent feel for pass rushers and does a very good job stepping up before his throws. He has a very compact, quick release and when he makes a decision, the ball is out of his hand almost instantly.
While in the pocket, Manziel is calm and poised and shows he can go through a progression. He demonstrates the ability to look off a receiver and then come back to him and is also good at finding open secondary receivers. The one thing I really like about Manziel is his accuracy and ball placement. He has a number of completions where he threads the needle and can get the ball into a tight spot. For the most part, Manziel’s decision making is very good and he rarely forces a ball. On the Manziel tape I viewed from 2013, I only saw two interceptions that I would consider poor throws. On each of those plays, Manziel was throwing on the run and failed to read the backside safety coming over. He had some interceptions where his receiver dropped the pass and the defender notched the INT before the ball hit the ground.
I wouldn’t say that Manziel has a canon for an arm, but his arm strength is solid enough. He can throw a tight ball with zip and can easily complete passes 45 - 50 yards down field. What makes Manziel so dangerous and what defenses have to account for is his ability to run if the pass isn’t there. Time after time the Aggies signal-caller opted to run, scrambling for ten or more yards.
Overall, Manziel is unique. He is not for everyone. The team that drafts him has to have a plan and play to his strengths. He is not nor will he ever be a conventional pro style drop back passer. While Manziel lacks ideal NFL quarterback size, there are top quarterbacks in the league that also possess less than ideal size. Drew Brees is list as being 6’0, but he isn’t. Russell Wilson is under 5’11. If I had to compare Manziel to another NFL quarterback I would say he is part Wilson, part Brees and part Brett Favre. It obviously remains to be seen if he will have the success of those players.
Manziel’s immaturity off the field is well documented and the team that drafts him has to be sure that he will buy into their program. The one thing I do know is that on game day, Manziel is as competitive a player as you will ever see. Scouts have told me that he has matured in the last year and his game preparation and leadership were much better in 2013 than in 2012. I think there is a lot of “special” to Manziel and he will be a very good NFL player. It would not surprise me to see him drafted in the top-five. He could very well be the first quarterback selected.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=12


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