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I'm not saying he's the next Belicheck, but to act like he doesn't have the pedigree is asinine.
What pedigree? You mean the long line of Belichik proteges that have left from under his wing and fallen flat on their face time and again? The Belichik tree is full of spoiled fruit.
Josh McDaniels….Please No!! I understand Lombardi worships the ground Belichik walks on so McDaniels is a serious and likely candidate because he will fall in line with Banner and Lombardi.
My concerns with McDaniels are his proven lack of leadership skills. Players in Denver described him as a spoiled kid with a ball hat on sucking a lollipop and sitting in the cockpit.
We are in no position to continually be an experimental franchise for coaches in the hopes that "he learned his lesson and is now humbled by it."
Go out and get a damn proven winner! Not some lackey who has only been successful riding the coattails of Belichik and Brady.
On a side note, Banner and Haslem stated the main cause for firing Chud was because he didn't show progress as the season wore on and expected the team to improve over the course of that time. Now they are thinking of hiring a guy that started off 6-0 as a HC and then went into a 5-17 tailspin before he was fired?
So we have a GM whom had a role in drafting Jamarcus Russell and a possible HC whom drafted Tim Tebow? I can't see what could possibly go wrong here.
They need to get this decision right this time or it will be 2020 before we know it and we'll still be mired in double digit loss season.
Now it seems the FO are only interested in interviewing clients of Jimmy Sexton. Does this absolute nepotism permeate any other team as severely as Cleveland?
This franchise has completely exhausted me. I'll assume the worst until proven otherwise at this time. It helps dull the pain, also add in a steady dose of laughter for good measure.
What pedigree? He's been coaching probably the greatest QB to have ever played the game, a guy who does more with less than anyone in NFL history. The same guy who sings his praises on a consistent basis.
A guy who has not only been around success his entire career, but has also seen what can happen when the situation is not good. A guy who has taken his beating by the national media and came back out the other side and shown he is still a good coach. You ask me what pedigree?
Then you go on to say you want a "proven winner". Let me ask you this, who, on the market is a more "proven winner" than McDaniels? You want Shannahan? LOL! This guy has seen nothing but winning and has directed one of the most prolific QB's in history and is showered in praise. They are on their way to yet another playoffs run, so proven winner? Really?
Yes, he started out 6-0 and at the time it was literally the story of the year. Why? Because they weren't good and Shannahan got fired for a reason, not winning with the same team. They were just not a good football team and they had extreme cancers on the team in Cutler and Marshall. Now, that is not to say that McDaniels is innocent in them being that way because from the sound of it (and you nor I can prove it), it sounds as if he was too hard on guys. On the other hand, look at Cutler and Marshall, still together, still missing the playoffs....
If you want to hang him for Tim Tebow, which is assinine considering they also had a FREAKING General Manager! Then you have to give him credit for the rest of that draft, which includes Demaryious Thomas, Zane Beadles and Eric Decker.
Now, I know I am slightly biased because I love guys like him. They are hard on players and they makes them earn their keep and dismiss prima donnas and malcontents. What's the alternative? Chud? Where you can visibly see guys dogging it? Allowing guys to play at a poor level once we're out of it causing me to think we have a bunch of front runners? Where you listen to the Pittsbrugh radio broadcast and they are saying Josh Gordon "pulled the muscle between his ears" because he is visibly dogging it?
I'm not saying he is "The Answer", I'm not saying he is "my guy" but name a better alternative and an available "Proven winner". With the caveat that you don't give me ridiculous things like, Marty or Cowher. Honestly, McDaniels is crazy to take this job,I wouldn't!! If I had ANY and I mean ANY other options I would take it.
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The front office was NEVER called the 3 stooges by any reporter.
The question was "can you assure the fans the team isn't being led by the 3 stooges?"
What's the difference?
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The front office was NEVER called the 3 stooges by any reporter.
The question was "can you assure the fans the team isn't being led by the 3 stooges?"
What's the difference?
There isn't any. 
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The front office was NEVER called the 3 stooges by any reporter.
The question was "can you assure the fans the team isn't being led by the 3 stooges?"
What's the difference?
Until the 2 stooges that show up, and the third that doesn't........turn things around, there probably isn't a difference.
The neat thing is, with their firing of Chud, they've put themselves on the clock, whether they realized it or not. And my guess is Jimmy has no clue what he's done, banner knows but will still suck up so as to save his job, and the 3rd guy........who is he? He sits in his office a lot, apparently.
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With the many Head Coaching Jobs across both the NFL and NCAA no other Team/School is interviewing Josh MdDaniels. Zero. What does that tell you?
Very good point. I haven't heard of any other team looking at jm. Wonder why?
I don't hear them beating down the door for Chudzinski either. What's that tell you? Or, for that matter, Norv Turner or Ray Horton.
Not that many job openings, but if Al Golden leaves Miami Chud might be HC there.
Are you really going there?
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The front office was NEVER called the 3 stooges by any reporter.
The question was "can you assure the fans the team isn't being led by the 3 stooges?"
What's the difference?
Until the 2 stooges that show up, and the third that doesn't........turn things around, there probably isn't a difference.
The neat thing is, with their firing of Chud, they've put themselves on the clock, whether they realized it or not. And my guess is Jimmy has no clue what he's done, banner knows but will still suck up so as to save his job, and the 3rd guy........who is he? He sits in his office a lot, apparently.
No, I'm asking what's the difference between telling someone they're the Three Stooges and asking them if they are in public?
No different than if I were to ask 'Arch, can you assure the board that you're not a sensitive hot head who can be easily goaded into anger?'
I didn't say it, I asked it, right? 
I think the whole 'classless' aspect Vers is trotting out is a bit melodramatic, but there's no question it was in poor taste and out of line.
Not saying that's a bad thing, really...I'm glad the reporter asked it.
But are you really going to dive into semantics to the point where you're arguing that he asked if they were stooges, but didn't say it? C'mon...
And I couldn't care less that Lombardi wasn't there. I'd be more upset if he was there.
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If you want to post interviews as merit for HCing jobs then yes. Interviews =/= being a better coach or a worse coach then X. Horton was interviewed much more than McDaniels last year, so do you still want to play this game?
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I guess I don't know.
Are you an ego maniac that thinks he knows everything about every topic? Or are you just a negative narcissist that pretends to know everything?
Either way, doesn't much matter to me.
Haslem gets this right, and we're in the playoffs next year, or he needs to follow the precedent he set, and fire people. He is the one that put the bar where it is. Not me.
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What a dork.
The front office was NEVER called the 3 stooges by any reporter.
The question was "can you assure the fans the team isn't being led by the 3 stooges?"
Your ego is beyond anything I've seen in recent years, and your reading comprehension lacks. Apparently your audio skills aren't that great either.
I disagree Arch....the reporter said a viewer posed this question, and the reported relayed the question.
My question is why can't the reporter ask his own questions?
He is a piece of crap and shouldn't be given press passes any longer. That was smack shack stuff. It's one thing to ask questions and another to start throwing low blows, and naturally that plays to the message board mobs who claim the team knee jerked but can't see their knee knocking them in the middle of their fat filled heads.
We just got rid of a coach who won 4 games and lost maybe the last 8 games of the season. Sorry, that doesn't cut it for me. I am glad we fired the guy.....screw the fact the idiot sat in the snow watching games as a kid.....great story no doubt, but it doesn't change the results.
Results is what I want. If the next guy doesn't show solid improvement....fire him. I don't care. Wins is where it's at.
Am I wrong? I think not......no, I know not.
I was listening when it happened live, and my thought at the time was, "Good for him. Good for him for asking the tough questions and representing the fan base and it's collective outrage at the apparent ineptitude being practiced by the FO." Up to that point IIRC, there was a fair amount of relatively soft questions being asked in a situation that demanded a full accounting.
Now granted, he might have phrased a similar question differently, but the question, asked as it was left no doubt that there were/are fans out there that thought/think that, at least on the surface, the firing was an incredibly stupid move by a triumvirate of apparently clueless boobs.
Only time will tell if the firing was the correct move or not, and time has tempered the raw emotion, but in that moment, the question was a perfectly reasonable one that needed an answer. Was it embarrassing for Haslam? You bet, but so what? Let him remember that moment the next time he allows the other two stooges to convince him to make a stupid move contrary to common sense and decency.
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I do not agree. I really TRY to not agree with Vers, just to keep my take and mind crisp but he makes it so hard. That was WAY out of line, it was absolute tabloid, trash reporting. A guy looking to gain a name with fans by acting like a twitter follower. Absolutely ridiculous, but on the other hand, in this day in age I guess that's what you have to do to earn some sort of name.
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I do not agree. I really TRY to not agree with Vers, just to keep my take and mind crisp but he makes it so hard. That was WAY out of line, it was absolute tabloid, trash reporting. A guy looking to gain a name with fans by acting like a twitter follower. Absolutely ridiculous, but on the other hand, in this day in age I guess that's what you have to do to earn some sort of name.
No, it was called good reporting. A reporters job is to convery, inform and report on items of interest to the public. The reporter is also supposed to ask the questions that the public pressures them to ask. this reporter just actually had a backbone to come out point blank and ask Haslam why he was being a moron....totally justified.
If one don't want people to ask potentially embarrassing questions, then one shouldn't act like a total horses-ass which is exactly what Haslam as done...the shoe fits, so he wore it.
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I do not agree. I really TRY to not agree with Vers, just to keep my take and mind crisp but he makes it so hard. That was WAY out of line, it was absolute tabloid, trash reporting. A guy looking to gain a name with fans by acting like a twitter follower. Absolutely ridiculous, but on the other hand, in this day in age I guess that's what you have to do to earn some sort of name.
And yet, no one knows his name. At least I don't.
Funny how it works isn't it. Someone is supposed to be allowed to pull a dumbass move, yet not be called a dumbass. That's odd.
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I don't know why were not looking at Jim Tressell...
Tressell was the runner up to the Colts job before the Colts decided on Pagano...he had two interviews....
Many have common misconceptions about Tressell:
1. Tressell would of course hire an experienced NFL Offensive Coordinator...the one thing about Tressell is he is "flexible" and he is willing to learn things he may not have a lot of experience with, and he is smart enough to take the advice of those he hires.
2. Tressell knows Defense, and again of course he would hire an NFL experienced Defensive coach, but he could also meld some of his defensive philosophies into that mix.
I think Tressell is exactly what this team needs....Tresselll would "clean things up" so to speak on the D side of the ball....go for the big hit and wiff on a tackle? you get told once to stop, refuse to make text book tackles and wrap up, and you hit the pine for someone who will.
That's how Tressell rolls, this team would be the best tackling team in the NFL very quickly. Tressell makes guys "Earn" their keep, nothing is handed to them.
For whatever reason, Tressell has a way of rallying guys.....and being this team is one of the youngest in the NFL, and is going to have to rely 90% on the draft for quite sometime, Tressell is the kind of coach that can work with these youngs guy to really get them to buy into th system.
Older veterans will also buy into Tressell system quickly when they start seeing success....and I think with Tressell success would come very quickly....
At this point, Tressell IS the best option available to us..Tressell is a better option then McDaniels, or anyone else out there right now....
This is not the OSU homer in me either, the fact the Colts were very interested in him tells me he is a viable NFL coach....perhaps the Colts and Tressell couldn't agree on numbers, or roster control, or something else and that's why they decided to go with Pagano..i don't know...but getting two interviews and being 1 of the final two candidatates to pick from means The Colts must of have thought he was a viable NFL Head Coach.
Tressell has found success everywhere he has been...Tressell is "less of a risk" then McDaniels at this juncture.
the last coach we had any success with was Butch Davis...a college coach.....We would be better off going with Tressell or a college coach....I wouldn't even consider McDaniels...he has done nothing without Brady and Bellichik.
Jim Tressell is the college version of Bill Bellichik...and I think he would be a fine NFL Head Coach...much better then the bums names that have been circling around....I would rather have Butch DAvis back then any of these bums they are touting...Butch Davis the GM was terrible...Butch Davis the Head Coach was a very, very good Head Coach....
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I do not agree. I really TRY to not agree with Vers, just to keep my take and mind crisp but he makes it so hard. That was WAY out of line, it was absolute tabloid, trash reporting. A guy looking to gain a name with fans by acting like a twitter follower. Absolutely ridiculous, but on the other hand, in this day in age I guess that's what you have to do to earn some sort of name.
No, it was called good reporting. A reporters job is to convery, inform and report on items of interest to the public. The reporter is also supposed to ask the questions that the public pressures them to ask. this reporter just actually had a backbone to come out point blank and ask Haslam why he was being a moron....totally justified.
If one don't want people to ask potentially embarrassing questions, then one shouldn't act like a total horses-ass which is exactly what Haslam as done...the shoe fits, so he wore it.
Nah man, you can ask the same questions without regurgitating crap from no nothing fans off your facebook page.
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What pedigree? He's been coaching probably the greatest QB to have ever played the game, a guy who does more with less than anyone in NFL history. The same guy who sings his praises on a consistent basis.
A guy who has not only been around success his entire career, but has also seen what can happen when the situation is not good. A guy who has taken his beating by the national media and came back out the other side and shown he is still a good coach. You ask me what pedigree?
Then you go on to say you want a "proven winner". Let me ask you this, who, on the market is a more "proven winner" than McDaniels? You want Shannahan? LOL! This guy has seen nothing but winning and has directed one of the most prolific QB's in history and is showered in praise. They are on their way to yet another playoffs run, so proven winner? Really?
Yes, he started out 6-0 and at the time it was literally the story of the year. Why? Because they weren't good and Shannahan got fired for a reason, not winning with the same team. They were just not a good football team and they had extreme cancers on the team in Cutler and Marshall. Now, that is not to say that McDaniels is innocent in them being that way because from the sound of it (and you nor I can prove it), it sounds as if he was too hard on guys. On the other hand, look at Cutler and Marshall, still together, still missing the playoffs....
If you want to hang him for Tim Tebow, which is assinine considering they also had a FREAKING General Manager! Then you have to give him credit for the rest of that draft, which includes Demaryious Thomas, Zane Beadles and Eric Decker.
Now, I know I am slightly biased because I love guys like him. They are hard on players and they makes them earn their keep and dismiss prima donnas and malcontents. What's the alternative? Chud? Where you can visibly see guys dogging it? Allowing guys to play at a poor level once we're out of it causing me to think we have a bunch of front runners? Where you listen to the Pittsbrugh radio broadcast and they are saying Josh Gordon "pulled the muscle between his ears" because he is visibly dogging it?
I'm not saying he is "The Answer", I'm not saying he is "my guy" but name a better alternative and an available "Proven winner". With the caveat that you don't give me ridiculous things like, Marty or Cowher. Honestly, McDaniels is crazy to take this job,I wouldn't!! If I had ANY and I mean ANY other options I would take it.
I'm with you right now. I don't really want JMcD but I don't know who else is worth getting (and would would even return our calls). If the players truly tuned Chud out and stopped caring, then we should have moved on I guess.
I'm a little indifferent on the Browns right now. They're still my team and always will be, but I'm going to adjust my expectations and hopes for a while. With Toledo basketball playing well, maybe I'll watch them a little closer until the draft.
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I'm not saying he's the next Belicheck, but to act like he doesn't have the pedigree is asinine.
What pedigree? You mean the long line of Belichik proteges that have left from under his wing and fallen flat on their face time and again? The Belichik tree is full of spoiled fruit.
Josh McDaniels….Please No!! I understand Lombardi worships the ground Belichik walks on so McDaniels is a serious and likely candidate because he will fall in line with Banner and Lombardi.
My concerns with McDaniels are his proven lack of leadership skills. Players in Denver described him as a spoiled kid with a ball hat on sucking a lollipop and sitting in the cockpit.
We are in no position to continually be an experimental franchise for coaches in the hopes that "he learned his lesson and is now humbled by it."
Go out and get a damn proven winner! Not some lackey who has only been successful riding the coattails of Belichik and Brady.
On a side note, Banner and Haslem stated the main cause for firing Chud was because he didn't show progress as the season wore on and expected the team to improve over the course of that time. Now they are thinking of hiring a guy that started off 6-0 as a HC and then went into a 5-17 tailspin before he was fired?
So we have a GM whom had a role in drafting Jamarcus Russell and a possible HC whom drafted Tim Tebow? I can't see what could possibly go wrong here.
They need to get this decision right this time or it will be 2020 before we know it and we'll still be mired in double digit loss season.
Now it seems the FO are only interested in interviewing clients of Jimmy Sexton. Does this absolute nepotism permeate any other team as severely as Cleveland?
This franchise has completely exhausted me. I'll assume the worst until proven otherwise at this time. It helps dull the pain, also add in a steady dose of laughter for good measure.
What pedigree? He's been coaching probably the greatest QB to have ever played the game, a guy who does more with less than anyone in NFL history. The same guy who sings his praises on a consistent basis.
A guy who has not only been around success his entire career, but has also seen what can happen when the situation is not good. A guy who has taken his beating by the national media and came back out the other side and shown he is still a good coach. You ask me what pedigree?
Then you go on to say you want a "proven winner". Let me ask you this, who, on the market is a more "proven winner" than McDaniels? You want Shannahan? LOL! This guy has seen nothing but winning and has directed one of the most prolific QB's in history and is showered in praise. They are on their way to yet another playoffs run, so proven winner? Really?
Yes, he started out 6-0 and at the time it was literally the story of the year. Why? Because they weren't good and Shannahan got fired for a reason, not winning with the same team. They were just not a good football team and they had extreme cancers on the team in Cutler and Marshall. Now, that is not to say that McDaniels is innocent in them being that way because from the sound of it (and you nor I can prove it), it sounds as if he was too hard on guys. On the other hand, look at Cutler and Marshall, still together, still missing the playoffs....
If you want to hang him for Tim Tebow, which is assinine considering they also had a FREAKING General Manager! Then you have to give him credit for the rest of that draft, which includes Demaryious Thomas, Zane Beadles and Eric Decker.
Now, I know I am slightly biased because I love guys like him. They are hard on players and they makes them earn their keep and dismiss prima donnas and malcontents. What's the alternative? Chud? Where you can visibly see guys dogging it? Allowing guys to play at a poor level once we're out of it causing me to think we have a bunch of front runners? Where you listen to the Pittsbrugh radio broadcast and they are saying Josh Gordon "pulled the muscle between his ears" because he is visibly dogging it?
I'm not saying he is "The Answer", I'm not saying he is "my guy" but name a better alternative and an available "Proven winner". With the caveat that you don't give me ridiculous things like, Marty or Cowher. Honestly, McDaniels is crazy to take this job,I wouldn't!! If I had ANY and I mean ANY other options I would take it.
That's wonderful Belichik allowed McDaniels the opportunity to learn form Tom Brady.
Shanahan, Cowher etc…No. Obviously not a remote possibility. I think it's silly to discuss those names along with Gruden, i.e., the usual suspects.
McDaniels has won nothing and proven nothing. The Patriots will win with or without him. Anyone that thinks otherwise that the team goes as Belichik and Brady go are delusional. The rest are yes men.
I'd rather have James Franklin, the guy did it on his own. While not a strong coaching candidate class or clear cut winner is out there, Josh McDaniels couldn't inspire me less.
I'd also interview Mike Zimmer. Would've been nice to have given Bruce Ariens at least a call last year.
The fact that the Browns had to allegedly settle on their 5th choice last year in Chud tells me they will have to settle again this year for the first guy to say yes.
Time will tell. Cheers.
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I agree, I'd take Mike Zimmer in a heartbeat. That we are eye to eye on. I am amazed he hasn't had an opportunity to date.
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His name is Dan DeRoos, Channel 19 news. And, I found his comments entertaining given the "here we go again, same old, same old" press conference. It offered an unexpected twist!
Otherwise, why bother holding press conferences at this point, just replay the same one after Palmer was fired. Every regime has said the same exact thing ad nauseam, so much so that we fans know the drill and rhetoric by now. It's been as predictable as my morning constitutional.
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The guy has earned an opportunity in my opinion. Players seem to follow him. Definitely a leader of men.
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It's interesting that you bring up tempo ...... because, if you remember last year when Kelly was making the rounds ....... Belichick credited Kelly with being the reason the Pats went to an up tempo, simplified calls system.
How much was McDaniels, and how much was Belichick setting the agenda based upon Kelly's ideas?
Further, McDaniels is Brady's best friend, so he doesn't want him to leave? Of course he doesn't. I'm sure that he wants McDaniels to succeed and progress, but he is comfortable with him, and he doesn't yell at Brady like O'Brien did, so I am sure Brady likes McDaniels.
Does that make him a quality head coach prospect?
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I mentioned this is another thread, but I'm torn on that question. It had the "smack upside the head" effect that I wanted Haslam to feel, but it was pretty unprofessional in an already terrible situation. I might have actually liked it better if the reporter wasn't such a wuss saying "their words, not mine".
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Oh well, we know the next coach will put us in the playoffs, and if not, see ya!
Why do you keep saying that? I don't think the next coach has to put us in the playoffs to make significant improvement just as i don't think that is what Chud had to do to keep his job. I don't know what the number is, but it won't be defined by a playoff spot or bust.
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J/C ...... Here is Pluto's take on what the Browns must determine in decising if they want to hire McDaniels or not. It's a pretty fair look, if you ask me. Cleveland Browns must determine what Josh McDaniels learned from his time as head coach in Denver: Terry Pluto | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2014/01/post_74.html#incart_m-rpt-2CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns must consider several key issues before offering Josh McDaniels a chance to be their next head coach. Let's not spend much time on the hometown angle. Yes, McDaniels played at John Carroll and Canton McKinley. And yes, he was a Browns fan. Well, Rob Chudzinski absolutely loved the Browns as a kid and this was his dream job -- ending in a nightmare as he was fired after one year. When the Browns interview McDaniels this week, they need to ask a few questions: 1. What did he learn in Denver? McDaniels was hired as the Broncos coach in 2009. He was 32. His only coaching experience was as an assistant to Bill Belichick in New England. The Broncos were so enthralled by the idea of McDaniels being the next Belichick, they gave him total power over the football operation. Complete control to a guy who never had run a draft or was the head coach? Hopefully, McDaniels will talk about how he learned that job was too big for him. 2. What mistakes were made? A few people who know McDaniels mentioned that he needed a good dose of humility, because his ego cost him dearly in Denver. He didn't like Jay Cutler, and wanted to work out a complicated deal that would bring Matt Cassel to Denver. He never could complete that trade. In the end, he traded Cutler to Chicago for first-round picks in 2010 and 2011 along with backup Kyle Orton. He then tried to win with Orton. That didn't work. McDaniels also didn't like the sometimes troubled receiver Brandon Marshall, and traded him to Miami for a pair of second-round draft choices. McDaniels probably thought he was sending a message about being in charge and doing things his way. But he cost the Broncos a big-time receiver and a quarterback who has been a consistent winner. Nor did he receive anything close to full value. 3. Can he actually work for a strong front office? For McDaniels to be effective, he will need CEO Joe Banner and General Manager Mike Lombardi to tell him to "cool it" when he becomes angry with a key player and wants to trade him. If McDaniels wants to a chance to establish himself as a viable head coach, then he needs to work with (and even for) the front office. 4. Does he realize that he's not Bill Belichick? Eric Mangini's biggest enemy in his first season coaching the Browns (2009) was Eric Mangini, the man who ran draft and made trades. I still think Mangini could be an effective coach with the right front office. Belichick failed in his first coaching job in Cleveland, where he tried to do too much. When he went to New England and gave Scott Pioli a lot of freedom to run the draft, the Patriots became a power. To his credit, Belichick really did change in several significant areas in his second chance. Is there a lesson in this for McDaniels? 5. Can he win with a quarterback not named Tom Brady? McDaniels really can't answer that question, since he has spent most of his career with Brady. McDaniels was on Belichick's staff from 2001-08, and called the plays from 2006-08. He returned to the Patriots in 2012. But in 2011, McDaniels was the offensive coordinator in St. Louis (replacing Pat Shurmur) and his offense ranked No. 32 in points scored, No. 31 in yards. In Denver, he never gave Cutler a chance. He started 6-0 with Orton, and ended that season 8-8. In 2010, he traded picks in the second, third and fourth rounds to Baltimore for the No. 25 pick to take --- Tim Tebow? That's right, Tebow in the first round. He probably would have been available in the second or even third. Banner and Lombardi have to really determine if McDaniels can judge and develop a quarterback. 6. Can he avoid shortcuts? In 2010, Denver video director Steve Scarnecchia taped a San Francisco 49ers walk-through practice the day before they faced the Broncos. An NFL investigation determined Scarnecchia "acted alone," but McDaniels was fined $50,000 for not telling the NFL of the rules violation once he learned of it. Stunts like this are stupid and embarrassing. If McDaniels doesn't see it as such -- the Browns should pass on him for that reason alone. 7. Can he give draft input, but not make the final decisions? Until researching this story, I never would have guessed that McDaniels had a very successful draft in 2010. He took two receivers: Demayrius Thomas (92 catches this season) and Eric Decker (87). That draft also yielded Pro Bowl guard Zane Beadles. His 2009 first-rounder, Knowshon Moreno, has rushed for 1,038 yards and caught 60 passes this season. He has big misses with Tebow, along with second-rounders Alphonso Smith and Richard Quinn. But to be fair to McDaniels, his overall drafting was not close to a disaster. His trading was a problem. He even looked bad when dealing with the Browns -- remember Peyton Hillis for Brady Quinn? 8. Can the Browns win with McDaniels? That's a question for both parties. If McDaniels has big doubts about Cleveland ever being successful -- then he shouldn't take the job. And if the Browns have doubts, then they should look elsewhere. NFL people generally believe that McDaniels is a bright guy with leadership qualities who really knows football. Does he understand that being fired after a 3-9 start to his second season (with 2 1/2 years left on his contract) was mostly due to some of his poor decisions, not because ownership became impatient? That's a key question. Because for McDaniels to be a good NFL head coach, he will have to change a lot of things he did in Denver.
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Wow, he drafted Thomas and Decker. He also got Moreno. That earns him back points in the drafting category.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Wow, he drafted Thomas and Decker. He also got Moreno. That earns him back points in the drafting category.
we all know he drafted good players.
but you don't find it odd that these 3 players didn't start having monster seasons til AFTER manning got there? ya know, after mcdaniels got fired? and Fox took over?
i guess you can credit him for drafting them, technically. but development during the season? zero.
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I thought the whole point of this firing was because the team regressed, as that's what they said at the press conference.
Haslam: “We needed to be better in the last three games than we were the first three games.”
Banner: “At whatever level you may assess the team or the talent, as you go through a season you see teams get better. Sometimes they are not very good teams that get better, sometimes they’re the best teams in the league. It was concerning to us that that wasn’t happening.”
Yet McDaniels being the front runner from the very start is the epitome of regression with his record as a head coach. He started 6 - 0 only to go 2 - 8 the rest of his first season and 3 - 9 his 2nd before getting fired, during the season.
Why is this guy even being considered?
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The guy is considered a good football mind. That is why he is being considered. It would be foolish to not consider him.
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Obviously "considered a good football mind" is a subjective point of view but the facts are simple, out from under Belichick's coattails he's done nothing of note. He was even run out of Denver before his second season ended. Foolish not to? Really?
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Nah man, you can ask the same questions without regurgitating crap from no nothing fans off your facebook page.
Furthermore, you don't have to try and publicly demean someone. All the man did was make an ass out of himself. Nothing journalistic about it, just pure laziness. He threw that it came from the TV station's facebook page so that it could be used as a shield for his actions. Nothing more.
If I were the Cleveland Browns, Channel 19 would be banned from all press conferences. It wouldn't matter to me who they sent up.
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Saddly I'm to the point of understanding this :
I have no say in who the Browns Hire as Head Coach, there gonna hire who they want and fire him when they want, they havent called me in 51 years, I'm not waiting bye the phone for them or faith hill to call anymore.
I dont want Daniels because to me he looks like a spoiled whinny little pain in the behind, better than the rest coaches, But thats just me, maybe I'm totally wrong, I probebly dead wrong, but to me he dosent look like a coach, I want a coach that looks like Ditka, Lombardi, Maddon...not a Harvard pretty boy...I really dont want a re-tread coach, no matter how many times we click our heals and tell ourselves he's like Biliceck his 2nd time will result in Super Bowls and cute little puppies an warm days with the smell of daisies in the air....common are we really to the point of believing what this media is selling
I dont want Daniels because we've tried that NE connection already and it didnt work, lets move on...We can and must do better, but whom ever it is, I still no a couple things, Faith hill still hasnt called and the Borwns wont let me select our next coach
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I agree, I'd take Mike Zimmer in a heartbeat. That we are eye to eye on. I am amazed he hasn't had an opportunity to date.
The guy has earned an opportunity in my opinion. Players seem to follow him. Definitely a leader of men.
Zimmer was my #1 guy last year. And again this year. Unfortunately they won't give him a look. Presumably because they want a young coach - from what was being said last year. I think Zimmer is 57 which falls outsside the target age range.
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I agree, I'd take Mike Zimmer in a heartbeat. That we are eye to eye on. I am amazed he hasn't had an opportunity to date.
The guy has earned an opportunity in my opinion. Players seem to follow him. Definitely a leader of men.
Zimmer was my #1 guy last year. And again this year. Unfortunately they won't give him a look. Presumably because they want a young coach - from what was being said last year. I think Zimmer is 57 which falls outsside the target age range.
I really hope that's not the only reason they'd pass on him. I love everything I've read about the guy.
Besides, who cares how old the guy is if you're just going to can him after a year?
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Pluto's take is right on. The simple fact is this, this FO is hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. Not saying they won't, not saying they can't, but the hiring of McDaniels is tantamount to exactly that.
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Regarding Zimmer:
This guy has interviewed a ton of times and has been passed over. There must be a reason why. Also, I think the Browns brass has stated they want a coach with a creative, offensive mind to coincide with the obvious balance shift the NFL is exhibiting. I don't think Zimmer falls into that category.
Neither does Bowles. Neither does Bob Stoops. Or Quinn from Seattle.
I would be surprised if our new coach is a defensive guy. I think all these interviews are just fluff to make it appear like they casted a large net into the proverbial coaching pool. Maybe I'm wrong.
The Auburn HC thing, IMO, also seems a bit of a reach. Let it be known, his agent is the same as Josh McDaniels. Sexton (the agent) could just be adding another of his client's name into the Cleveland HC ring so Auburn looks at a pay raise for their own coach. It's actually a smart move on his part.
Again, I would be surprised if it's not an offensive coach. But then again, we've been told other things that haven't been true to this point......
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While not a strong coaching candidate class or clear cut winner is out there
that one sentence caused me to ask, why would Haslam, Banner and Lombardi fire a decent coach in a year where the available candidate pool isn't all that deep. Why not wait a year?
Just asking
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that one sentence caused me to ask, why would Haslam, Banner and Lombardi fire a decent coach in a year where the available candidate pool isn't all that deep. Why not wait a year?
Just asking
Seems apparent (to me) that they have already received expressed interest or (more likely) firm commitment from McDaniels through back door channels, that this was a key factor in the decision to fire Chud, and that the "process" is a mere formality. Why on earth would they consider hiring Schwartz as DC without a HC in place if they didn't already have consensus on the decision?
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I believe that JM is in, his choice. The rest is window dressing and distraction. Given his HUGE lack of judgment (TEBONE), I do NOT want him. Hypocritical to say we had no progress, or not enough over last three. Losses are on the field; firings like this are a backroom deal. We want a HC as clueless as the Tiny Three. The hypocrisy is deafening. I do not want a college coach crapshoot. Not sure I want to see that Horton HypedDefense of the second half of the season. 
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I question anyone's intelligence who is interviewing and considering a HC'ing job in Cleveland.
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