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I bet that's exactly how it is.
But I'd also expect that the money that Turner got and the money that Horton got was similar if not more so I doubt there is much the Browns will have to pay them..
But Chud,, oh man, that's gonna cost the Browns a boat load of money. I assume the money a special assistent makes is a ton less than the contract he signed as a HC called for..
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Sometimes guys still under contract to an old team, who they feel screwed them over unfairly, will sign a low end contract with a new team just to make sure that their old team has to continue to pay them the majority of their contract .......
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I'm sure it happens...
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Chud found a new home. Colts hire Rob Chudzinski as special assistant to the head coach Posted by Michael David Smith on February 8, 2014, 11:54 AM EST Six weeks after the Browns fired him, Rob Chudzinski has a new job. The Colts announced today that they hired Rob Chudzinski as special assistant to the head coach. “Rob and I have a long professional relationship and his résumé speaks for itself,” Colts coach Chuck Pagano said in a statement. “He brings a wealth of knowledge and will be a tremendous help to our entire team moving forward. Needless to say, we’re excited to have ‘Chud’ joining our family.” Pagano and Chudziski first got to know each other in 1986, when Pagano was a graduate assistant for the Miami Hurricanes and Chudzinski was a player on the team. They later spent six seasons together coaching on the Hurricanes’ staff, and in 2004 they were both on the Browns’ coaching staff. Chudzinski was the head coach of the Browns in 2013. He was fired after one 4-12 season. web page
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When Turner & Horton took new jobs elsewhere, there contracts became null & void. The Browns don't have to pay them off. They could have sat back and done nothing and collected a paycheck, but since they took new jobs, the Browns won't have to pay them. They still have to pay Chudzinski's salary since he was actually fired by the club. Turner, Horton and all the other coaches that weren't but took jobs elsewhere aren't being paid by the Browns.
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If the Browns had fired Turner and Horton then we would have to pay their contracts. Instead they left the team voluntarily meaning their new team pays them. If they were fired we would have to pay the difference between their salary with us and their new salary.
I'm sure it's a pro rated type of deal, where the salary they are paid by a new team is deducted, either partially or in full, from the money the Browns will pay them.
I sure that cfrs is correct. Because the Browns didn't fire them but they took jobs elsewhere, the Browns won't have to pay them a penny more. They voluntarily voided their contracts with the Browns by taking other jobs.
That's why I speculated that the Browns fired Chudzinski. It made the most sense. If they had fired either Turner or Horton (whoever the coaching cancer actually was), they would have looked to be overstepping their bounds even more than firing the HC after a single season. My guess, one of the coordinators was the problem, not Chudzinski, but they had to eat the cost by firing him instead. They saved the money when the coordinators and coaches beneath them left voluntarily.
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Coaching salaries are fully guaranteed (except where they may be fired for criminal activity) for as long as the coaches do not leave voluntarily. When a coaches (whether head coaches, coordinators or other) leave a team voluntarily and take work elsewhere, they void their contracts when they sign a contract with another team.
Chudzinski's contract will be paid because he was fired. It's also why Turner, Horton and the other coaches, weren't fired. They were given permission to seek employment elsewhere and they did so.
The Browns could have, like Dallas did to Callahan, refused them permission to seek jobs elsewhere and continued to pay them their contracts while taking away all duties from them. These guys could have continued that employment (in whatever form it was relegated to) and received their paychecks. But that would tie them down to the Browns for the length of their contracts. The Browns did themselves and the coaches a favor by granting them the permission. When the coaches found new jobs, the Browns were no longer obligated to pay them another cent.
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If the Browns had fired Turner and Horton then we would have to pay their contracts. Instead they left the team voluntarily meaning their new team pays them. If they were fired we would have to pay the difference between their salary with us and their new salary.
Thanks cfrs15 I didn't know that.
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Colts hire Rob Chudzinski as special assistant to the head coach
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 8, 2014, 11:54 AM EST
Six weeks after the Browns fired him, Rob Chudzinski has a new job.
The Colts announced today that they hired Rob Chudzinski as special assistant to the head coach.
“Rob and I have a long professional relationship and his résumé speaks for itself,” Colts coach Chuck Pagano said in a statement. “He brings a wealth of knowledge and will be a tremendous help to our entire team moving forward. Needless to say, we’re excited to have ‘Chud’ joining our family.”
Pagano and Chudziski first got to know each other in 1986, when Pagano was a graduate assistant for the Miami Hurricanes and Chudzinski was a player on the team. They later spent six seasons together coaching on the Hurricanes’ staff, and in 2004 they were both on the Browns’ coaching staff.
Chudzinski was the head coach of the Browns in 2013. He was fired after one 4-12 season.
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He'll be a HC again someday. I have no doubt that most folks around the league feel he got a bit of a raw deal here. He'll be smarter next time also.
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Same here!
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Agree. I think his two coordinators let him down. They were the experts and understand you shut down when the season is lost. With a rookie owner who is trying to make a name, this option did not go over well!
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If the Browns had fired Turner and Horton then we would have to pay their contracts. Instead they left the team voluntarily meaning their new team pays them. If they were fired we would have to pay the difference between their salary with us and their new salary.
There were reports that the reason that the Vikings couldn't formally announce the hiring of Norv is because he and his agent were working out the details of his severance with the Browns. In other words, they wanted certain dollars to be offset protected, and I suspect that they got it.
I was reading something about Chud's deal, and the reason that the "special assistant" terminology was used, similar to the one Mangini received in San Francisco, is because that effectively blocks the offset language standard in most coaches contacts.
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Same here!
Amen. I think he made some mistakes to learn from, but I will always think he got a raw deal here. Will always wish him luck & pull for him.
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Agree. I think his two coordinators let him down. They were the experts and understand you shut down when the season is lost. With a rookie owner who is trying to make a name, this option did not go over well!
I don't get this whole impression "Chud busted his butt here" and "Chud did this and Chud did that" as if you guys were walking right next to him, in the meetings, on the field with him, went home with home after a day at work to and spend time with him and watching him working and knew exactly what was going on. You guys have no clue what you're saying, you're assuming. Assuming can make you look either really good, or really bad and in any case - if you don't know something 100% then why are you guys joining the perception of the media who can write bull*hit and publish bull*hit?
Chud could have been a bear to work with. I will agree, his coordinators (especially Norv) really failed him, but don't make Chud out to be this innocent angel. Obviously there is behind the scenes reasons cause someone isn't going to cut someone lose and continue to pay them for no reasons. If the coordinators were the issue, they can be fired and replaced without the coach. I bet more money teams called and inquired about Chris Tabor than teams called and acquired about Chud.
Why can't we just accept the more reality that Chud likely doesn't possess the leadership skills needed to be at the position of head coach? He's a gentle slap of a struggling player on the wrist instead of a hardcore punch in the face. Treat players like babies, they'll take advantage of you. Why can't we accept that maybe Chud just wasn't anything remotely needed to operate as a head coach?
I have nothing against the man, congratulations on his assistant job - but I highly doubt he'll ever be a head coach in the NFL again. Maybe stop feeling bad for the guy for what you people "believe he did" but don't really know. Maybe think a little more outside the box and just accept, regardless if he was born in Ohio and regardless of the other crap - he didn't possess the traits needed to lead a team, especially a very YOUNG team.
You guys act like Haslam/Banner are just playing games. Like they just wanna cut him loose for $hits and giggles and continue to pay him for $hits and giggles like it's some fun game rich people play. Get real, there are obvious reasons behind the curtains why he was canned in such a short time and I'm beginning to think Jimmy and Joe spared us another season with someone who just basically doesn't have the internals and hasn't obtained the proper traits needed to lead and make proper decisions and all roles associated with being a head coach.
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not for nothing Dawg...but by that logic, our FO's since the beginning of 99 hasn't been able to find a HC.
so...after having a HC every 2 years, when do we stop blaming the HC and start blaming the FO who lie and continuity?
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not for nothing Dawg...but by that logic, our FO's since the beginning of 99 hasn't been able to find a HC.
so...after having a HC every 2 years, when do we stop blaming the HC and start blaming the FO who lie and continuity?
To be fair here, we've had 6 front offices as well. Just saying.
As for Chud,, No QB, No Running game. Yeah, it's all his fault.
ONE YEAR? Come on..
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The decisions Randy Lerner made, as CRAPPY as they were, cannot be held or used to judge Haslam and Joe. They are night and day and you can't mix the two when trying to make a point... so no offense but I won't even acknowledge your post any further.
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based off of history, they are one in the same.
how many firings did Lerner and Co. do?
now, we have new ownership, and we've already fired 2 HC.
did anything really change?
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Why can't we just accept the more reality that Chud likely doesn't possess the leadership skills needed to be at the position of head coach? He's a gentle slap of a struggling player on the wrist instead of a hardcore punch in the face. Treat players like babies, they'll take advantage of you. Why can't we accept that maybe Chud just wasn't anything remotely needed to operate as a head coach?
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Either way you look at it, it's all bull^hit. Nobody knows. Even though the media has far more sources than we do as fans.
That's the funny thing around here. People dog the media who say we suck. They dog negative press. Yet with very few exceptions, since 1999, the media has been far more right than wrong about us. No matter how much that hurts.
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Yeah, maybe... just maybe - the new ownership has the foresight and has been involved on-site enough to know when someone is dud, and when someone can maybe actually make an impact. I doubt Randy Lerner was on the practice field much like Jimmy is. I doubt Randy was even in Berea or anywhere as much as Haslam was and has been during his short stench of being owner.
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ok. i can deal with that.
but since we are talking about hypotheticals, lets say Pettine gets axed year 2...or loses more games THIS season..
whats the excuse then?
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but since we are talking about hypotheticals, lets say Pettine gets axed year 2...or loses more games THIS season..
whats the excuse then?
I don't know, but I'm sure Banner will find a scapegoat LOL
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So you see Haslam as a football guy?
So you feel it was his decision to fire Chud?
I see him as running a truck stop chain who had a very minor ownership in a football team for a brief period of time before he came here.
If you're supporting another "Jerry Jones" in Cleveland, sorry I'm not with you there. If that's what you're trying to indicate.
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Let's let the season unfold. If I see players who are performing like crap, getting benched and replaced, then I will say at least there were discipline and player accountability in place.
I'll just leave that comment at that, since we have no idea how Mike operates or what's his attitude/demeanor. I can tell you once thing, when someone is really nice and babies players, it's no different than a regular job. Boss doesn't give you crap about showing up late, you'll just continue to show up late. Boss doesn't give you crap about not performing your job at full-capacity, or any capacity - you shift the players effort on a scale than is flexible. We need a "harda$$" that will keep the players in high gear in fear of CONSEQUENCES! We need a harda$$ that will see a player giving half effort and, through various ways - makes sure you get that FULL effort back. We need a harda$$ that will take someone who isn't producing, like a Greg Little, and make their name and number go all the way to the lower part of the depth chart. In this business, there is always, ALWAYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS, someone waiting behind. It's the coaches job to make that moves, to make those decisions and not freaking baby these kids.
Call me crazy but Chud slit his wrist more himself than the players, the coordinators, the other pieces of the staff. There is NO leadership or accountability held with him so it just makes me mad when I read these "he was screwed" and the "awww, poor Chud" comments. Just his decisisons with personnel and players is enough evidence for me to know he's TOO much a player coach instead of being a REAL coach. Like Romeo, too nice and too big hearted to make the decisions that NEED to be made. The decisions that a Rex Ryan, Bellicheck and company would have no hesitations to enforce.
I'll step outta this "love and pity pool" ya'll seem to still be having with Chud... but please bros, just think about it. As stated, maybe Joe and Jimmy saved us another year with a softy, unqualified coach cause to me, that's the way "I" view it.
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Will you stop twisting my words bro. I meant Haslam was more "hands on", never did I say he was a football guy. I said the front office may posses more foresight b/c they are likely more ON-SITE than Randy, who was a ghsot when he was here. Randy then, is like Lombardi now. Ya don't see, you don't hear from and etc. In any case, please stop twisting my words. 
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i agree. i hope pettine and this staff gets it done.
i just don't wanna hear stories about being fined for a bottle of water.
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As much as it pains me to say....I agree. I think there were more dawgs upset at Holmy keeping Genie, when we all knew that him and Heckert did not get along, so why keep him 1 more yr? Now, with Chud, it looks like he just did not have what it takes to lead a Team, so why waste another yr? I bet if they kept him for another yr. these same Dawgs would be up in arms wondering why we wasted another yr. Come on man, you can't have your cake and eat it to.
This is coming from a guy who really liked Chud. But, likable or not, if he can't get the job done, then on to the next. I couldn't understand where Rish was coming from when he called Chud a dud. Now I'm starting to see what he was seeing half way through the season. Better to get it over with now than being set back for another yr.
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Don't waste your time w/them. Their minds are made up and it's not about debate.......it's about them "proving" themselves right.
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aye, what i tell you about spreading misinformation?
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I don't think anyone is trying to prove me wrong just to prove themselves 'right'. From what I read of the responses to me, I don't get that perception at all. No harm in people displaying their opinions and using questions and etc to debate.
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Your comments on Chud require a presumption as well... that Haslam is a competent owner... and to a lesser extent that Banner and Lombardi are competent as well, and are more than yes men. None of the presumptions have been demonstrated, if fact, the balance tends to lean in the direction that Browns ownership is incompetent.
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look guys, here's the thing:
this is back to back seasons where for the most part, we kinda all agree that this is a good staff put together.
but if we fail again this time....then what?
here's what has worried me, and i stated this plenty of times in other threads: our coaches will be fine. i think think Pettine and his staff, AND chud with his staff would've/could take us to the playoffs.
HOWEVER, i'm worried about the support the FO will give these guys. Lombardi and Banner have been hyping up this 2014 season like this is IT. so we better see some beast FA signings, and one hell of a draft come may.
i want Pettine to go in to the next season knowing the FO did everything they could to give this guy what he needs to succeed. i truly believe Banner and Co. didn't do that with Chud.
but this is a new start. so they better make it happen this off-season.
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While we only have a one year sample, it is a sample. And yes it seems to me what you say has a ring of truth.
I mean Chud is the guy "they picked' for the job. Considering that, I don't see why people seem so offended that some of us don't have a high confidence level in this group thus far.
So far it's one year and then re-boot. It is what it is and no amount of "shooting the messenger" will change that. We all hope for the best, but having any faith that will happen isn't reflected by the evidence thus far.
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Will you stop twisting my words bro. I meant Haslam was more "hands on", never did I say he was a football guy. I said the front office may posses more foresight b/c they are likely more ON-SITE than Randy, who was a ghsot when he was here. Randy then, is like Lombardi now. Ya don't see, you don't hear from and etc.
In any case, please stop twisting my words.
Really wasn't trying to twist your words as much as I was looking for some clarification on your thought process.
I'm still a little confused as to what you mean exactly which is often the case with the printed word.
See, I'm not too concerned with an owner unless he is making hands on football decisions as a football guy. If the owner isn't a football guy, he hires people to make those football decisions. The people he hires answers to him. I don't think "being here" really has an impact on that.
I mean it looks good and all, but I don't see a real impact on things. Now if your owner has decided to be hands on in the decision making, to me at that point it would make a difference.
Some posters have indicated they believed the firing of Chud came directly from Haslam. I have no way of knowing. If that is the case, I'd be much more concerned. It's his billion dollars so he can do as he pleases. But if we end up with an owner who is consistently sticking his hands in the punch bowl, I don't believe we will fare well.
But thanks for the explanation. When I ask you questions, I'm really not trying to twist your words at all. I'm simply looking for further explanation.
Thanks.
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Your comments on Chud require a presumption as well... that Haslam is a competent owner... and to a lesser extent that Banner and Lombardi are competent as well, and are more than yes men. None of the presumptions have been demonstrated, if fact, the balance tends to lean in the direction that Browns ownership is incompetent.
When you say "balance", you basically mean the fans who are crying and etc b/c their Chud was canned after a 4-12 season, where 10 outta 16 games he had the lead at halftime and found various means to choke and lay an egg, where he sent over five players to pro bowl and with the same team who had five all-pro team named players yet still only won four games? I think the owners aren't FOOTBALL genius as some are making me out to say, but I AM saying they are business enough to can a non-qualified guy and accept they made a bad decision and instead of babying the situation, giving a guy they don't think has "it" to lead this team another year just b/c some fans "think it's the right thing to do" - I think that makes them competent in terms of "business" and etc. For that, I tip my hat off to them. Like I said, I just get this perception that people think Jimmy/Joe are playing this game where it's fun for them to fire a guy, continue to pay them, admit their wrong TO THE PUBLIC (which takes A LOT OF BALLS) and so forth. If you ask me... I doubt they are taking this as a "game". I doubt that very much, but if someone says so all I can say to them is... you're MORE THAN WELCOME, and it's your God given right, to think and have your opinion - just as I am having mine.
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Really wasn't trying to twist your words as much as I was looking for some clarification on your thought process.
My bad it just seemed you were implying and hinting that I made/am making Jimmy to be a football GOD, which I think he knows and loves the game more than Randy, but that doesn't make him a know-it-all. I wish he was!
I'm still a little confused as to what you mean exactly which is often the case with the printed word.
See, I'm not too concerned with an owner unless he is making hands on football decisions as a football guy. If the owner isn't a football guy, he hires people to make those football decisions. The people he hires answers to him. I don't think "being here" really has an impact on that.
No? Tell you what, when the owner of MY company comes into the office, I am on my best behavior and always trying to impress. The owner of my company has about three-four people he could use to get the info he needs from a "minion" like I am - but sometimes he'll have one-on-ones with me. It means a lot to me in the business world when an owner is hands on and attempts to include himself in the lower levels of his business cause in the process of so-n-so going over a project requirement with me and then relaying it, much info is lost and much data gets confused. When an owner is hands-on, he's right there. There is no middle man. There is NO confusion. Why do you think Undercover Boss is such a big hit tv show? These owners get more info, see their company better and etc with they see it with their own eyes. That's REGARDLESS of who he/she hires to "handle that aspect of the business and report to me", you know?
Some posters have indicated they believed the firing of Chud came directly from Haslam. I have no way of knowing. If that is the case, I'd be much more concerned. It's his billion dollars so he can do as he pleases. But if we end up with an owner who is consistently sticking his hands in the punch bowl, I don't believe we will fare well.
Yeah, I am not wishing Jimmy to be like Jerry Jones. As of "yet", I also do not and haven't received that perception that he is a control freak. I'd venture to say it was a joint agreement between Banner and himself on the direction of Chud and how Chud's 4-12 season unfolded in horrid fashion.
But thanks for the explanation. When I ask you questions, I'm really not trying to twist your words at all. I'm simply looking for further explanation.
Not a problem at all man. I should read things a little more deeper before I form an impression people are trying to imply/twist my words cause sometimes I'm not the BEST at wording the stuff that's going on in the ole' noggin' lololol 
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damnit LB you just ruined my eyes with that blue font.
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Haha, nothing a few beers won't cure bro! Come on over, if there is one thing that is ALWAYS in my fridge - it's cold beer!
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damnit LB you just ruined my eyes with that blue font.
I didn't even bother reading it because it was so hard on the eyes. I made it through the 1st sentence of the 1st paragraph and thought to myself, "screw it, this hurts".
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but if we fail again this time....then what?
This is what has been killing me. How many of us were successful at something right out of the gate? Not many, I'd guess. So... why would ANY FO replace the coaching staff after just ONE YEAR? IMHO, if you haven't met with success, you evaluate and adjust what's there before trashing the whole thing. (I have the suspicion that there was much, much more to the story that we'll never know...)
They pretty much have to give Pettine and crew more than they gave Chud's bunch, lest they establish a reputation that will keep competent pros away. This is the bed they've made for themselves. Folks will be watching closely.
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