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Well when FA starts the 11th, it's looking like a very, very strong possibility of Byrd coming here.
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Jairus Byrd says he’s still talking to the Bills“The door is not closed on anything. I’m not closing the door on any opportunities at all. The lines of communication are still open”
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Seattle Seahawks cornerback Brandon Browner said via Twitter that he has been reinstated by the NFL.
Browner, 29, was suspended indefinitely in December for violating the NFL’s substance-abuse policy causing him to miss the Seahawks run to the Super Bowl. At the time that Browner was suspended, he was sitting out with a groin injury.
Just last week, Browner had planned to sue the NFL, challenging the league’s decision to suspend him. He is set to become a free agent next week.
In 2012, he served a four-game suspension for violating the performance-enhancing drug policy. That suspension was separate from the league’s substance-abuse program.
“I received wonderful news today. The NFL has reinstated me, and I now have the opportunity to prove to the fans and my teammates how important this sport is to me,” Browner wrote on Twitter. “I realize now more than ever that being part of the NFL is not a right, but a privilege. I am grateful that Commissioner Goodell and my agent were able to resolve this issue in a positive, productive manner so I can continue my career, provide for my family, and help my team win a Super Bowl. Thank you to all who have gone out of their way to show their support. I will live up to your expectations of me.”
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Wow...........that's a tough one. Excellent player. Multiple drug infractions. We have Gordon here and just dealt w/Best.
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I wonder if he still gets a ring......
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I would be all for it on a one year deal, which is what he probably will get.
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I think Browner is a good player but I would have to pass. Too much baggage and with the loss of DQ I have concerns with who will be the leader going forward. I think we should go after some high character guys or just some guys without major red flags. I would also avoid Talib and Davis for the same reasons. Its one of the reasons I also am a little leery of signing Byrd to a huge contract. I don't like how he reportedly handled the contract situation and milking the foot injury last year. If Pettine has no concerns with Byrd than that lessons mine.
One name that interest me is Steve Smith. He could be a cap casualty and while he is a little long in the tooth I think he would be a great addition to our young team. I love the passion Smith brings.
I must be getting old, so far on this topic I have stated I would bring in Smith and Ed Reed. Both on one year deals for the record.
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You want to bring in high character guys and that includes Steve Smith and Ed Reed? Smith sucker punched one of his teammates in the face and broke his face and complains non-stop. Reed, while also being old and washed up, has worn out his welcome in Baltimore (where he tried to get Harbaugh fired) and Houston.
Leaders will step up. That's how these things work.
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If we were to miss out on Byrd and Ward walks I don't think it would be a bad idea to bring in Reed. Not my first choice (or my top 5 for that matter).
I don't see Smith as a whiner or complainer. He is a passionate guy that plays with a chip on his shoulder and holds grudges. Hes a competitor and that's why he fought Lucas. I like his passion and it seems like most of his problems arise from that. I could see why some wouldn't like him though. That's why I posed the question. I don't see him as a low character or bad guy though.
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I wouldn't sign Reed under any circumstance. I don't think he can play anymore.
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3 picks in 7 games with the Jets last season is pretty good for a guy that cant play.
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Getting cut by the Ravens and benched/cut by the Texans is another though. He is washed up.
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Reed definitely knows where to be. Just don't ask him to move or tackle anyone.
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Getting cut by the Ravens and benched/cut by the Texans is another though. He is washed up.
Do you think Slaughter is better than a washed up Reed if we miss out on one of the other safeties available? What would be the risk of bringing him in on a 1 yr deal to help in the role we wanted Bart Scott to fill if we miss out on one in FA or the draft?
Again not my first choice. Just another option. I don't know what happen in Houston, I just know that he played well for the Jets in a D I would expect to look a lot like our D.
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Steve Smith sucker punched two guys on his own team, breaking one's jaw. I wouldn't want him on my team at any time. He is getting old and has lost a step as well. He will also still demand a high salary and has no value as a team leader.
Stay well away from him
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Steve Smith is basically TO and Randy Moss with the self-awareness that he's not as good as either of those guys and cannot be a drama queen to their level (Which is more to say than his former teammate, Chad Johnson). But now he's washed up now.
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Ed Reed cannot ball hawk anymore. I wouldn't want him whatsoever.
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jc Aqib Talib is ready for his free agent payday Posted by Darin Gantt on March 5, 2014, 11:48 AM EST Once, just once, it would be refreshing to hear a player suggest he’s looking for a sub-par deal, confirming that it’s not all about the money. That player apparently won’t be Patriots free agent cornerback Aqib Talib, at least not this year. According to Jeff Howe of the Boston Herald, Talib “wants to be paid as a top-of-the-market corner in free agency, according to a source.” As opposed to all the middle-of-the-market guys, naturally. With the Dolphins setting the bar with Brent Grimes‘ four-year, $32 million deal (which included $16 million guaranteed), the cost for high-end corners has been established. And since Talib is younger and arguably better, it stands to reason (at least to the sources close to Talib) that he should make that much or more. Talib signed a one-year deal worth $5.5 million last offseason, figuring to get his long-term deal this offseason. Whether the Patriots are prepared to meet those demands remains to be seen.
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Once, just once, it would be refreshing to hear a player suggest he’s looking for a sub-par deal, confirming that it’s not all about the money.
Wonder if this bozo says the same thing to his boss about his own paycheck.
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Once, just once, it would be refreshing to hear a player suggest he’s looking for a sub-par deal, confirming that it’s not all about the money.
Wonder if this bozo says the same thing to his boss about his own paycheck.
LOL had to admit, I had roughly the same thought
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This is the exact reason why we have a shot at pretty much any free agent. We have money to spend. Athletes, especially NFL players, just want to get paid (as would I).
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I'd say give Haden his big payday before we look into other BIG free agent options at corner, out of pure respect towards Joe.
The thought of Haden, Talib and Skrine poses a very warm-n-fuzzy feeling for me though... that would be an extremely lethal trio... wouldn't matter if we played two of my ex girlfriends at safety when you got that much firepower up front!
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We knew this would happen, now official.... Vincent Rey tendered by Bengals
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I certainly like the idea of tying Haden up long term ASAP. But it takes two in order to do that.
I'm not so sure that Joe and his agent are in a big hurry.
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Vincent Rey tendered by Bengals
The tender is the lowest possible. That tender states where you get drafted determines the compensation. Since Vincent Rey was undrafted, if we signed him, we wouldn't have to give anything to the Bengals.
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They would be able to match our offer ergo the tender...basically the Transition tag is similar to the low end UDFA tender.
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That's if they want to. He is just a backup there.
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Rey was one of the guys I was looking at. He really played well last year when he stepped in for Malaluga. Some thought he was the better of the two.
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dang he was high on my list of "gets" -
'I agree I thought he was better than malaluga
we can still make a pitch and see if the bungholes match
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Living near Cincinnati, I would have to say that Rey was convincingly better than Maualuga. I think Maualuga is better against the run, an area where Rey isn't bad either. I do think, though, that Rey has far better range and gets fooled into the wrong lane less often than Maualuga. I also think pass coverage goes to Rey hands down. If it were up to me, I'd start Rey over Maualuga.
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I certainly like the idea of tying Haden up long term ASAP. But it takes two in order to do that.
I'm not so sure that Joe and his agent are in a big hurry.
I see some great comments on here in many of the threads but it kind of hits me that folks sort of miss the point in a player taking a long term deal as quickly as possible.
In this case lets ASSume that Haden is getting 4 Mill a year and he is offered 9 Million per to re-up, why would he do it when the market might be 12 Million per year, simple injury...
What I mean is if you are damaged goods the selling price drops considerably and with guaranteed money or a sizable signing bonus you do the deal even if its less then you might get a year from now.. Apply the bird in hand theory...
That's actually the incentive that Mack has as well, if you simply take the 10 Million for this year and you get hurt that 10 Million may be all you ever see...
Long story short I haven't seen anyone hit on this point............So I thought I would..... 
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That is a great point. Look at all of the guys who get franchised, and what do they all say. The one year deal is good money, but they could be guaranteed double that in a long term contract. Guarantees are important to these guys. Bonuses are important. For some guys getting "the biggest contract ever", even though they know that there is no chance of seeing the final couple of years. It's a matter of putting together the right contract offer for the right guy.
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In this case lets ASSume that Haden is getting 4 Mill a year and he is offered 9 Million per to re-up, why would he do it when the market might be 12 Million per year, simple injury...
What I mean is if you are damaged goods the selling price drops considerably and with guaranteed money or a sizable signing bonus you do the deal even if its less then you might get a year from now.. Apply the bird in hand theory...
That's actually the incentive that Mack has as well, if you simply take the 10 Million for this year and you get hurt that 10 Million may be all you ever see...
Long story short I haven't seen anyone hit on this point............So I thought I would.....
Actually I hit on that exact same point in the Mack thread.
But look at both Mack and Ward. Why weren't they signed before now?
I believe there are three factors concerning re-signing Haden.
Firstly, he has a history of great play and being a highly rated CB. Unless it's some possible career ending injury, at his position and given his history, I don't believe his value would drop. You can look at Revis as an example of that.
Secondly, with the increasing salary cap on an annual basis, it may actually be smart to conclude he may be worth more next year than this year.
Thirdly, and I think more importantly, does Haden really want to be here? With the turnover in coaching, the FO and the possibility that his buddy Ward may be gone, I believe there's a very real possibility that he may wish to wait and see how things unfold this year before he commits to staying long term.
I'm not saying you're wrong. You could very well be right. But there are a lot of factors to consider here.
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The long term contract is the Narvana for these vets to get. Even if they are terminated cause the deal is too good a couple years down the road.
Heck - I think it was Stallworth. He would get these big contracts get a signing bonus and have in the 2nd or 3rd year this giant of a raise where teams had to release him and then he'd go out there and get another big signing bonus. I think he did it like 3 times in five years. Back when Signing bonuses were the thing to do.
As for Mack and even Haden...long term contracts are the thing they want and its the Guaranteed money they look at most rather than the total package. So if we are creative we should get a lot of these done. Haden, Sheard, Taylor soon, Skrine? Cameron get him done too. If we wait for the last minute they are more apt to want to hit the FA market and see what's out there.
Byrd still negotiating with the Bills - that will not make it easy to sign him - we will have to give him top dollar.
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I was listening to Vic on Browns Daily and his opinion based on what he was hearing is that Byrd is going to go to whoever gives him the most money. "It's all about the mondy with Byrd" in regards to where he signs. Vic used to be with Buffalo for a long time too so he knows people I'm sure.
Bottomline, we won't get Byrd for any kind of discount. We'll have to pay the highest amount of money out there because whoever offers the most will get Byrd.
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I totally agree, there will be no discount with Byrd. Our only advantage is that Pettine knows his value in his system. That's it.
Perhaps we could have had a discount on Ward by signing him last year, but that option is gone now...along with Banner.
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I cannot believe there hasn't been any Champ Bailey talk around here... especially since he's publicly said he's open to playing safety. With the upmost respect towards TJ and Jarius Byrd, I'd think honestly that I would rather have Champ. Save up some cap money cause I'd venture to say he's not looking for a five year contract, two tops maybe.
Plus, the awesome insight he could shed down upon Haden and Buster and whoever else at corner, and likely even still substitute at corner if we needed him to, sounds like an ice cold beer on a warm and humid day good to me. Whatcha think?
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This same type of thing happens every off-season (last year it was Charles Woodson).
Players like Champ Bailey have made their money. They are trying to win. Players are not going to Cleveland to win.
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