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Peen, if I am interpreting you correctly, it seems to me you are making the assumption that the only thing these HC candidates care about is the money?
I think many consider what kind of legacy they may leave and take the long term picture into account moreso or equally to the bottom line of their contract. All coaches know at some point they will be fired. It's just a matter of how soon and how will that tarnish their reputation or image for future employment consideration. If money was the only concern we could have just offered more money to Kelly last year than the Eagles and thrown in an extra year on the contract. Coaches certainly take into consideration the team structure, personnel, etc…when considering their decision to sign or not sign on the dotted line.
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This team MUST go on a Dolphins spending spree in free agency and go for broke draft to change national perception about this team.
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I never said money is the only thing. I said the contract is all the security they need. It's the only security any coach has. As competitive people, they plan on securing their legacy, which can be done in Cleveland just as it can anywhere else.
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Haslams Only Way Out Of This May Be To can these Two Guys, Get A Respected GM In Here And Totally Start Over. Its Very Possible That Much Damage Has Been done!
I Don't Believe his Loyalty Can be Stronger To These Two Goofs Than to HIS organization.
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Haslams Only Way Out Of This May Be To can these Two Guys, Get A Respected GM In Here And Totally Start Over. Its Very Possible That Much Damage Has Been done!
I Don't Believe his Loyalty Can be Stronger To These Two Goofs Than to HIS organization.
I agree. To save face and this francise Banner and Lombardi has to go. They are a train wreck.
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Wow. Regardless of whether or not this FO will right the ship, this situation continues to get more and more embarrassing.
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Zimmer Will Go To MN, Quinn To TN And We Will Settle For Another 2Nd Rate Candidate.
We Jettisoned Chud Because He Wasnt THEIR right Choice Only To Be In A Situation where
There's No Apparent Quality Choice. And Haslam Finds This Leadership(?) Acceptable?
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I understand that Cullen, our Dline coach has left. Anybody got further info?
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Is anyone who has been paying the slightest amount of attention surprised at all by this?
I know that I'm not.
I think that Chud had a decent level of respect around the league, and seeing how he was blown out after 1 year, with no QB or RB ...... and after the front office made moves for 2014 instead of 2013 ... well, I think that has to carry over to people even considering this position. If that happened to Chud, why wouldn't it happen to them? Further, some of the comments made by Banner and Haslam at the post firing presser were .... concerning, at best.
Banner buried Chud saying that he didn't develop his talent, while saying that he, himself was blameless, because they just couldn't bring in enough talent. Haslam spoke of giving a new head coach "at least" a year before judging him ... and them shortened it to 6 months. Geesh. Who wants to come into a situation like that? Evidently not too many people.
Wisenhunt will go to the Lions. Zimmer will go to the Vikings.
It seems that we like Gase and Malzhan as our top 2 choices, (from national reports) but who knows if either guys wants to leave their current gig to come here? Malzhan is probably very happy at Auburn. Gase can probably wait a year and get a far better offer next year. We really have no real assurance that either guy will even interview with us.
If we hire a defensive coach, which would seem to run contrary to what the front office has wanted to do, then what superstar offensive coordinator do we hire? We will be way, way behind the curve on hiring assistants and coordinators.
I see this turnign into a gigantic mess. Hopefully I'm wrong ..... but the signs and portends are not exactly promising thus far.
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Maybe w a defensive minded HC, Norv might be persuaded to stay since he'd most likely be relied on more when the O is on the field, Ytown. I'm far from pleased with what this front office did to the coaching staff. But to whoever said Banner & Lombardi should be canned, I think that's still WAY premature. There are short, shorter, & even shorter leashes before termination (unless you're Chud  ) And please everyone don't panic! The jury's really not out yet on how much of, if at all, a mistake firing Chud was. Rushing into selection of our new guy & choosing incorrectly could prove 800 times more disastrous & crippling.
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Name one what?
a BIG NAME Coach that would come here under current conditions
Oh....ok. I wasn't talking current conditions. I thought I said that I could see haslam change the model and give the coach more say....yep, that's what I said. It's all about what Haslam wants, not what Banner and Lombardi want.
So, this is a good job and this team under performed last season. I think we make the playoffs next year if we get any return on the top drafted players and any FA pick-ups.
Name anybody you want. They may not come here but I don't buy the idea they won't simply because it's Cleveland or things are too screwed up.
I didn't see where you qualified it.. sorry.
Anyway, I don't think it's just Lombardi and Banner that is the problem here.
Of course, I can't possibly know this for sure, But I think it's very possible that Haslam pulled Banner and Lombardi aside and said, get rid of Chud, he's not the answer.
If that turns out to be the case, then nothing will change with the firing of Banner and Lombardi.
I do believe the firing of Chud was a knee jerk reaction and I think if your memory is still intact, you know what I think of those 
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I Cant Defend Chud. My Point Is If He Wasnt Your Guy What Makes Them Think They're Going To Land THE guy?
With no Seeming Heir Apparent To Bring They're Now Basically Just Throwing Darts Hoping To Hit Something. They Did Say They Were Going To Be Smart, Build This Thing Right.
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there are a lot of ways to look at this. All we can do is speculate. I think Haslam is behind the firing of Chud because he wasn't totally sold on him when he was hired but he went along with Banner....I don't know how involved Lombardi was in the hire....I get the feeling not much. Either way, I don't think the situation is as toxic as some think. Who knows, maybe i am wrong and we become the first team in history who goes in to a season without a head coach. 
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don't worry. i'll take the HC job.
i need a staff though. its all gonna be from this website.
emailing my resume as we speak.
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LOl....I thought about that as well. Maybe hire Clevesteve as my GM. Vers as my D coordinator. Daman as my O coordinator, I'd need somebody to blame when things went poorly.  
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i need a staff though. its all gonna be from this website.
emailing my resume as we speak.
I'll sign on with you mate, hell we cant do much worse.
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LOl....I thought about that as well. Maybe hire Clevesteve as my GM. Vers as my D coordinator. Daman as my O coordinator, I'd need somebody to blame when things went poorly.
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lol,
its just...man. i know there's talk that we are waiting to talk to these Coords. that are in the playoffs, and have to wait until their teams either lose, or after the superbowl.
but jesus...if it doesn't happen then? then what?
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LOl....I thought about that as well. Maybe hire Clevesteve as my GM. Vers as my D coordinator. Daman as my O coordinator, I'd need somebody to blame when things went poorly.
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To me its who they hell they gonna get thats better than what we just threw away. I just find it all to be disgusting.
I really wish we could hire an experienced HC for once.
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To me its who they hell they gonna get thats better than what we just threw away. I just find it all to be disgusting.
I really wish we could hire an experienced HC for once.
First, you don't know who we will get, and don't make it sound like Chud was all that good. He wasn't. He was a average hire and if nothing else, we will be able to replace that.
I never thought we were going to fire him after this season, but I can't say it upsets me. What did he bring to the table that anybody else can't? Anybody meaning a legit coach and not me or some other board member.
I'd like it as much as any of you if we already had our guy in place, but it's way too early to think that nobody wants to come here. If we get in to a week or two after the Superbowl, then it might be a problem. Until then I am going to believe that the sky isn't falling.
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i'm sure there are people that want to come him, peen.
the question is, whether or not its anybody with credibility.
all reports has zimmer going to minny, and whisenhut a strong possibility in detroit. lovie smith, imo the best HC to hire, already has the tampa job.
lets say that happens. that leaves us and tennessee.
we have a bunch of Coords, no HC experience prior, unless we take in a college HC.
which means we'll be hiring another inexperienced HC. so remind me again, why did we fire an experience 1st year HC, just to end up with the SAME EXACT THING this year?
it seriously makes no sense.
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He needed the job and Lovie thinks he will do a good job?
Plus....I visit the Tampa Bay area often....who wouldn't want to live there? The best stretch of Florida runs from Clearwater, just north and west of Tampa down to Naples, about 170 miles south. Great beaches, laid back, Gulf waters. Not the glitz and glam of the east coast. It's pretty much perfect unless snow skiing and cold winters is your deal....then it isn't.
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i'm sure there are people that want to come him, peen.
the question is, whether or not its anybody with credibility.
all reports has zimmer going to minny, and whisenhut a strong possibility in detroit. lovie smith, imo the best HC to hire, already has the tampa job.
lets say that happens. that leaves us and tennessee.
we have a bunch of Coords, no HC experience prior, unless we take in a college HC.
which means we'll be hiring another inexperienced HC. so remind me again, why did we fire an experience 1st year HC, just to end up with the SAME EXACT THING this year?
it seriously makes no sense.
We'll end up with Jim Schwartz as our HC.
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definitely not encouraging.
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Not encouraging indeed.
I have been wondering something.
If McDaniels took his name out of consideration.
Who have Haslam and the FO interviewed before McDaniels that is this "frontrunner"?
Weee. 
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At this rate we'll just hire Chud back and claim it was an elaborate April Fool's joke to save face. We'll even hire Ashton Kutcher to yell "You just got Punk'd" every 10 minutes at the press conference. I can see it now.
But seriously I didn't expect them to have a real solid plan after firing Chud the way they did, but I thought they had something concrete. So far it just looks like we're putting all our hopes in Gase.
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To me its who they hell they gonna get thats better than what we just threw away. I just find it all to be disgusting.
I really wish we could hire an experienced HC for once.
Until then I am going to believe that the sky isn't falling.
The sky fell back when Modell moved the team and hasn't lifted since. Now it appears they're are pouring concrete on it to make sure it doesn't lift. 
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the question is, whether or not its anybody with credibility.
all reports has zimmer going to minny, and whisenhut a strong possibility in detroit. lovie smith, imo the best HC to hire, already has the tampa job.
lets say that happens. that leaves us and tennessee.
we have a bunch of Coords, no HC experience prior, unless we take in a college HC.
which means we'll be hiring another inexperienced HC. so remind me again, why did we fire an experience 1st year HC, just to end up with the SAME EXACT THING this year?
it seriously makes no sense.
We'll end up with Jim Schwartz as our HC.
I would vomit. For real.
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He had guys amped up to play the first three quarters? I mean just ask Diam. Apparently playing hard for three quarters is proof positive that he was a good coach and the players played hard for him. LOL.
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you gotta give chud credit for that, still
they did play hard in the 4th quarter, but a young team struggling with success is exactly that. you got guys amped up ready to try and make a play, and it just didn't go their way.
there was zero reason to think we wouldn't had improved next season.
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I wouldn't mind Schwartz. He is a great defensive mind. He'd need help with the O. Sometimes a 2nd chance as a HC is the answer.
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A second chance after some time off, typically.
Not getting a job right away.
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Not getting a job right away.
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