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Also.....think we are comfortable with a choice. Just waiting on Gase to see if he sways the opinion.
I am warming up to Munch if Gase doesn't change things. Munch as coach and Schwartz as DC.
Munch is a HOF player....that brings instant cred with the players....or at least those with half a brain.
We may not even be waiting on the Denver dude....we may be ready to name Munch . The parameters have been agreed upon, now it's the final wording which is easy enough to work through. Some of the signs tend to point in the direction we have a guy all but hired.
We'll find out over the next 12 hours or so.
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Remove McAdoo from the list of potentials (or put him in the highly unlikely column), he just accepted a job as Giants OC.
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Caldwell? Wow.
Detroit actually had Stafford sitting in on the coaching interviews. Yep, the same Matthew Stafford who imploded down the stretch this year and said he doesn't want to work w/a QB guru this year. When questioned about it, he said something like: "it's not my thing."
And we are the laughingstock of the league?
I don't believe all that "laughingstock" crap. I live out of state. I haven't talked to one single person that knows anything about what's going on w/the Browns.
You guys keep forgetting..........this franchise moved way past being the laughingstock of the NFL years and years ago. We became irrelevant years ago. No one cares about the Browns but us.
So stop w/the melodramatics and just watch it unfold w/out all the hysteria, hate, and the woe is me attitudes. You know..............grow up.
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Munchak, 53, was fired by the Titans after refusing to make sweeping changes in his coaching staff -- including firing both of his coordinators. The Titans even offered Munchak a contract extension, but he refused. He went 22-26 in his three seasons as head coach, including 7-9 in 2013. The Titans have failed to make the playoffs since 2008, and haven't won a playoff game since 2003.
They lost five straight at home this season and eight of 10 overall at one point. Losing starting quarterback Jake Locker to a foot injury didn't help, but quarterback issues often don't spare the ax, as Chudzinski discovered.
“I can’t fire someone when I don’t believe they should be fired,'' Munchak told the Tennessean the day after he was fired. "Firing someone is awful. Too many people were going to be affected. "I didn’t do anything to look like I was a great, loyal guy who went above and beyond the call of duty by not firing coaches. I did what you should do and what I thought was right. For me to maintain a job and a lot of guys lose jobs on a plan I didn’t think was right, I couldn’t do that.”
“I’ll make tough decisions, but not if they’re not right.”
Munchak, a Hall of Fame guard from the Oilers/Titans, had spent 31 years with the organization as a coach and player, including 14 seasons as offensive line coach before replacing Jeff Fisher as head coach. He had only one winning season, a 9-7 campaign in 2011. He also interviewed for the Texans offensive line job and the Penn State head job before it went to Vanderbilt's James Franklin.
“I know a lot of people might not have been happy if I was back,'' he said. "But I had a plan, and I believed it was going to work. I wanted to be here. I have been here for over 30 years. These jobs are hard to come by. I know the chance of me being a head coach again in the NFL aren’t that great. Most guys get one shot at it. But I wanted to do it with the right people, and do it the right way.
“The way they wanted to adjust the staff vs. me wasn’t going to work. So we disagreed on it.”
Man, Munchak just earned a ton of respect from me. What a great example of integrity. He is a man of great character.
That act reminds me so much of what Marty did w/Model back in the day.
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I don't know much of anything about Munch, but I don't put too much stock in the "former player" status. It's good, but it's nothing overly special.
It might buy him some cred on Day 1 when the players first walk in the door, but that is about as far as it'll carry him, in my opnion.
Mike Singletary is a HoF player, but he was a terrible head coach. Sure, he could fire up the best of them, but that's about it.
Bill Cowher was a mediocre player at best, yet was a phenomenal coach.
Bellichick never played in the Pro's at all, and being that he attended Wesleyen University, you could argue that he didn't really play in college, either, lol.
What they've done matters little beyond Day 1. Who they are and how they conduct themselves matters much, much more.
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Munchak, 53, was fired by the Titans after refusing to make sweeping changes in his coaching staff -- including firing both of his coordinators. The Titans even offered Munchak a contract extension, but he refused. He went 22-26 in his three seasons as head coach, including 7-9 in 2013. The Titans have failed to make the playoffs since 2008, and haven't won a playoff game since 2003.
They lost five straight at home this season and eight of 10 overall at one point. Losing starting quarterback Jake Locker to a foot injury didn't help, but quarterback issues often don't spare the ax, as Chudzinski discovered.
“I can’t fire someone when I don’t believe they should be fired,'' Munchak told the Tennessean the day after he was fired. "Firing someone is awful. Too many people were going to be affected. "I didn’t do anything to look like I was a great, loyal guy who went above and beyond the call of duty by not firing coaches. I did what you should do and what I thought was right. For me to maintain a job and a lot of guys lose jobs on a plan I didn’t think was right, I couldn’t do that.”
“I’ll make tough decisions, but not if they’re not right.”
Munchak, a Hall of Fame guard from the Oilers/Titans, had spent 31 years with the organization as a coach and player, including 14 seasons as offensive line coach before replacing Jeff Fisher as head coach. He had only one winning season, a 9-7 campaign in 2011. He also interviewed for the Texans offensive line job and the Penn State head job before it went to Vanderbilt's James Franklin.
“I know a lot of people might not have been happy if I was back,'' he said. "But I had a plan, and I believed it was going to work. I wanted to be here. I have been here for over 30 years. These jobs are hard to come by. I know the chance of me being a head coach again in the NFL aren’t that great. Most guys get one shot at it. But I wanted to do it with the right people, and do it the right way.
“The way they wanted to adjust the staff vs. me wasn’t going to work. So we disagreed on it.”
Man, Munchak just earned a ton of respect from me. What a great example of integrity. He is a man of great character.
That act reminds me so much of what Marty did w/Model back in the day.
Ditto that. I still don't know much about the guy, but I could root for someone with integrity like this.
Browns is the Browns
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I agree. I was looking at a market share map shared on another thread.....about us heading to Columbus to practice....we might have had the smallest share......if not, one of them for sure.
Nobody outside of 15 counties around Cleveland cares about the Browns. The masses here, not individuals. The reason those in the area think we are a laughing stock is because the numbers who follow the Steelers or Bengals rival the number of Browns fans.
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Another 4-3 base kind of guy. Least that is what he runs in Seattle.
From what I've seen and Quinn it looks like he prefers some girth on the d-line so his set up would be more like:
LDE: Bryant
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DT: Rubin
RDE: Sheard
OLB: Mingo
MLB: DQ
OLB: Kruger
But then again he could just run the 3-4 here. I'm sure he knows the formation considering his 4-3 looks like it was pretty influenced by it.
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I'm pretty sure that anybody coaching defense in the NFL knows all of the defenses - they just have preferences and/or more experience with one or the other.
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I'm pretty sure that anybody coaching defense in the NFL knows all of the defenses - they just have preferences and/or more experience with one or the other.
I agree....especially on D since there are basically two with some minor tweaks. Schwartz's use of the wide nine tells me he could go either way, or at least use players either way.
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I don't know of any coach who signs a 1 year deal, and no matter how you want to color it, that would be a 1 year deal.
They've really been working off 1 or 2 year deals in reality anyway, just getting overpaid for it.
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Again, I wouldn't mind if it was done that way. If we can find a decent coach who would work under those parameters, great. I just don't think we will find one.
Maybe not, I don't know. What I do know is that the multi-year deals haven't worked out very well for the Browns.
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Former baseball manager Walter Alston of the Dodgers was about the only big time team manager/coach that worked under 1 year contracts. He had 23 of them.
I have to admit, I had to look him up. Oddly enough, he played in 1 game at the major league level and coached for 23 years, becoming a HOF manager.
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I'm pretty sure that anybody coaching defense in the NFL knows all of the defenses - they just have preferences and/or more experience with one or the other.
That is a good point. The key is to hire someone who is flexible and will change his system to fit the personnel, rather than an egomaniac who feels his current system is the end--all.
I never really cared for Don Shula, probably because I was not a Dolphins fans and they won a lot of games, but look at what he did. He had Czonka, Kiick, and Mercury Morris and ran the heck out of the ball. They had two 1,000 yard backs. Later, he had Marino and the Marks brothers. They threw it all over the field.
Gotta respect that.
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I am not a fan of the Wide 9. Philly ran it last year and they got killed. Too many gaping holes in the run defense. It should only be used as a situational defense..........in my opinion.
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I have to admit, I had to look him up. Oddly enough, he played in 1 game at the major league level and coached for 23 years, becoming a HOF manager.
Well, maybe experience says something. I didn't. 
In this era, I doubt you get a HOF coach/manager who works on one year deals. Maybe even a coach!
JMO
But, I don't know how odd it is for quality coaches to have had limited experience as major league players. I'd bet most managers (encompasses all sports) had limited success as big time players.
In baseball this year, Cox, LaRussa, and Torre made the HOF. Only Torre was a top level player....or even a "good" player. Cox and LaRussa had a sip of coffere here and there.
In football, a few more good players became good coaches....Ditka and Landry come to mind, but Shula, Lombardi, Brown, Bellicheck were never very good players.
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I have often thought about that w/coaches and managers.
My theory is that a lot of the great players make lousy coaches because they were so physically gifted and thing came easily for them, thus they didn't really learn the nuances of the game.
Conversely, guys like Lasorda who was stuck in the minor leagues for years and guys like Cowher and Marty, who weren't physically gifted enough to dominate and had to make their mark on special teams and got to play because of their effort, brains, and understanding of the game...........make great coaches. They have to really learn the game just to compete and that really helps them become great coaches.
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I'm pretty sure that anybody coaching defense in the NFL knows all of the defenses - they just have preferences and/or more experience with one or the other.
Yep, but some are pretty head strong about it. I know Bowles is a 4-3 guy, but he ran the 3-4 this year with the Cards, but there's a lot of DC's who want to implement their scheme now no matter who is the personnel. I think our first year in the 3-4 we had Ben Taylor playing ILB, a 300 lb NT and no OLB's. I just want someone who isn't going to try to shove a Square into the circle hole without sanding down the edges first.
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J/C… McDaniels back in the mix?? McDaniels Article As far as Munchak goes, seems like an honorable man, hopefully his interview was more to get a look at him as a possible OL coach next year. Similar to how things worked out with Horton. I see Munchak as a very uninspiring leader. He strikes me as an outstanding position coach. Xs and Os type guy. Not necessarily a big picture guy. I'm amazed there has been no reported interest in Greg Roman. The guy has run multiple offenses and has proven to be adaptable to the skill set of talent he's coaching.
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We just emptied out better candidates for head coach than what we have interviewed. Other than Franklin, I think the list of guys we have reportedly been interested in is utterly pathetic. That has nothing to do with Chud being fired either.
Gase is the leading candidate and his only claim to fame is allowing Manning to do his job for him. Is there someone missing that we are high on that hasnt been mentioned? They are talking about holding players accountable in one breath and the n mention Schwartz, seriously lol.
Its mind boggling that they would even consider some of these guys. It has really seemed like Franklin was their top guy and when he took the Penn st job, there was no backup plan at all.
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No kidding....utterly pathetic is a good description. Chud and Shurmur had more credentials than Gase. When in the hell are we going to stop rolling the dice on unproven coordinators?
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Have you considered that perhaps Manning recommended Gase to Haslam? Don't get mad. Just think about it for a moment.
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I heard Greg Roman wasn't interested in being a head coach.
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Regarding Gase, it sucks that he won't interview for a HC job until the Broncos are out of the playoffs but I respect that. I lost a little bit of respect for Whisnant when I heard he was doing three interviews in the week leading up to the Chargers-Broncos game. He put himself ahead of his team. And I think it showed on the field.
If Gase does become our HC, what about David Cutcliffe HC Duke becoming our offensive coordinator?
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whats to think about or get mad about? He is obviously a smart young kid but that doesnt mean that he is ready to lead a team that is dire need of someone that can push them over the top.
Hell I would be interviewing Rob Ryan and Shaw from Stanford, guys that can squeeze that bit of extra out effort out of his players. Franklin fit into that category as well.
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Personally ,
I think Shaw is overrated and often outcoached.
I don't think Rob Ryan is a very good coach.
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They talked about this on Sirius NFL Radio this evening. Gil Brandt said it was no big deal in his eyes - the game plan is set, and the players after 18 weeks know what they need to do. Besides, it isn't like the offense was solely to blame for the loss.
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Not solely, but the Charger offense didn't play great.
Gil certainly knows more than I do, but I don't see how every game gets a specific game plan but then the 2nd round of playoff games doesn't. That makes no sense to me.
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Wasn't clear, sorry. He alluded to Wisenhunt making the game plan and then interviewing - stating the players know what to do after 18 games. I'm sure his staff implemented it. Not that i'm saying it wasn't an impact, just passing info along.
Per Gase, I'd put my money on Greg Knapp being OC. He's done it before and is the current QB coach in Denver. I'll say Joe Vitt as DC - he's been a defensive coach for 20 years, was interim coach of New Orleans most of last year, and is Gase's father in law.
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I like the Vitt idea.
How has Knapp done as OC during his prior OC stints?
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I agree....especially on D since there are basically two with some minor tweaks. Schwartz's use of the wide nine tells me he could go either way, or at least use players either way.
Simplest explanation of the wide 9 I can think of. It's a 4-3 base. It's designed to get a ton of sacks. You leave OTs with zero help on a DE because they line up so far outside. So there is zero chance a guard can get out to the DE. However, you can get crushed in the run game.
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Not solely, but the Charger offense didn't play great.
Gil certainly knows more than I do, but I don't see how every game gets a specific game plan but then the 2nd round of playoff games doesn't. That makes no sense to me.
That's because you misread it. He said the game plan was set and the players know what they mean to do [implying about winning]. On Friday/Saturday I'm not expecting them to do anything more than just walk throughs so it's not that big of a deal.
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I believe Knapp runs a WCO and a zone blocking scheme. Here's his stints as OC and some basic stats: 2001-2003 San Fran + 2001: Scored 409 points (25.6/g), 3rd of 31 in the NFL (QB Jeff Garcia) + 2002: Scored 367 points (22.9/g), 13th of 32 in the NFL (QB Jeff Garcia) + 2003: Scored 384 points (24.0/g), 9th of 32 in the NFL. (QB Jeff Garcia) 2004-2006 Atlanta + 2004: Scored 340 points (21.2/g), 16th of 32 in the NFL. (QB Mike Vick) + 2005: Scored 351 points (21.9/g), 14th of 32 in the NFL. (QB Mike Vick) + 2006: Scored 292 points (18.2/g), 25th of 32 in the NFL. (QB Mike Vick) 2007-2008 Oakland + 2007: Scored 283 points (17.7/g), 23rd of 32 in the NFL. (QBs McCown, Culpepper) + 2008: Scored 263 points (16.4/g), 29th of 32 in the NFL. (QB Jamarcus Russell) 2009 Seattle + 2009: Scored 280 points (17.5/g), 25th of 32 in the NFL. (QB Hasselbeck) 2012 Oakland + 2012: Scored 290 points (18.1/g), 26th of 32 in the NFL. (QB Carson Palmer) All numbers courtesy of http://www.pro-football-reference.com
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