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I'm good with McDaniels, Munchuck, Quinn, or Gase to be honest. I think any of the above could be successful in the right situation. I love what Mike did with the Titans considering the QB issues he had. That team never quit on him in any season. Although I don't think it will happen, he is probably my favorite. With the other guys you have to hope that either they learned from past mistakes (JM) or you are finding the young up and comer (Quinn/Gase).

I have no stats to prove it, but I would venture to say that the failure rate for 1st time HCs are much higher than those whom have had an opportunity previously and learned from past mistakes. I look at playoff teams remaining, and 3 out of the 4 HCs are on their 2nd/3rd job.........only Harbaugh was a one time NFL guy, but he was a HC in college. Coordinators with no HC experience scare me, but that doesn't preclude some of them from being very very successful.....I just think the odds are much slimmer.

My wishlist in order would be.......

MM
JM
Gase
Quinn

Which means we will end up with Gase/Quinn...lol. Here's for hoping we are finding that lightening in the bottle with one of them!

Belichick was a jackass too until he started winning now he's a quirky genius.

The media still hints/talks about his sleeveless, cut hoodies he wears.

I wonder why that fashion trend just never caught/catches on?

He's picked up his game - he wore hefty bags when he was here.

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The best coaches in the league can do it. The job John Fox did with Tebow a few years ago.. I know the division was weak and they got in at 8-8, but the guy got them to .500 with Tim Tebow, and won a playoff game...

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and you have to know that went a long way to convincing Peyton to sign there

manning in SF, with a defense?

it would've been a slaughter all the way to the SB.

Add to it his Home Games wouldn't have been in Colorado...

I think Elway was the key.

I'd rather play 6 games against KC, SD and Oakland than against Seattle, Arizona and St. Louis.

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Now we head into the 3rd option.
I like Gase a lot...he is new, fresh and innovative. I see a potential of Super Star HC in him like none of the other candidates.
Also he has a respected reputation with players that go beyond the norm. The type of guy players would run through a brick wall for.

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Gase has been an OC for ONE season on a team with Peyton Manning running the offense. Never been a head coach at any level. If we hire Gase it's for one reason. So Banner can keep total control over everything. But hey, why not? We don't need a Head Coach that knows the job. We want a guy that has never been the lead dog.... That ALWAYS works out well.

I think the Manning argument can go two ways...

"I don't want this guy, he's Manning's OC, he basically does nothing!"

or

"Well, Peyton Manning must trust this guy to come up up with a gameplan and call plays, so theres something there..."

JUST BECAUSE Manning is your QB, doesn't mean as an OC you do nothing all week and hang out drinking Gatorade during the games... The guy puts in work..

And I would like to point out, what you do as an OC/DC almost has no bearing on how you will perform as a HC. It's a completely different job...

That's why I HATE when a HC wants to call his own plays, it just shows his lack of interest in the ENTIRE team...

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JUST BECAUSE Manning is your QB, doesn't mean as an OC you do nothing all week and hang out drinking Gatorade during the games.

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Absolutely.
But, when you have Manning as your QB and you are a nobody from nowhere with no track record, EVERYONE needs to be skeptical of just how much credit you deserve for the ridiculous level of success that offense is having.... especially when, by accounts, it is the offense Manning ran with the Colts.

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And I would like to point out, what you do as an OC/DC almost has no bearing on how you will perform as a HC. It's a completely different job...

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I agree. The HC still is involved heavily, but he isn't calling every defensive and offensive snap. He'll be talking with his coordinators, but he isn't making every call.

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We KNOW you want to get it right. We KNOW you are doing the very best. We also know every past owner and FO has felt the exact same way.

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I don't KNOW that Randy Lerner WANTED to do it right..

I FEEL like he got stuck with the team, hired people he was told were smart, and let them bother with it so he could watch soccer...

I look at it this way....

If you plan to sell the team in ten years ( which is what was reported to be in his dad's will ), you want to make money. If your team is a winner, you make more money when you sell it.

If you plan to keep it, you want to win.

Either way, if you're in the football business in any way, shape or form, you want to win. It's just good business.

Wanting to fail, ( unless you're the Colts tanking one year for Luck ), isn't a way to help grow your investment.

What could possibly go wrong? We are, afetrall, methodically sticking boldly to a plan which dare not be shared. Our selection process is making us more toxic.

JC

Some positive press on the coaching search

Don Banks - Si- MMQB

Patience Is a Virtue in the Head Coach Hunt
It's rare that the Browns get credit for taking the smart approach, but they're doing it right when it comes to finding Rob Chudzinski's replacement. The NFL's coaching carousel spins fast. Too fast. And now it's time for the league to make changes to help the hiring teams that can't help themselves

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I don’t even care if it’s an intentional display of patience on their part, or in reality a byproduct of not being able to give the job away, I’m still convinced the sometimes clueless Cleveland Browns are taking the right approach when it comes to conducting their latest head coaching search. By taking their time.

Yep, I just typed the words “right approach” and “Browns coaching search” in the same sentence. It stunned me, too.

As quaint as it might sound in the instant-gratification world in which we live, the Browns deserve kudos for actually showing some restraint in the pursuit of their next coach. Because the speed dating that passes for the NFL head coaching interview and hiring process these days is growing more frenzied all the time.

It has been only 17 days since Cleveland surprisingly lowered the boom on first-year head coach Rob Chudzinkski, but that clearly is an eternity in today’s NFL. For a team that couldn’t even wait until the league’s so-called “Black Monday” to make the move—announcing Chudzinski’s firing just hours after its regular-season finale on Dec. 29 after the news started leaking out—the Browns are proceeding considerably more deliberately in the hiring phase of the proceedings.

Browns owner Jimmy Haslam on Wednesday even felt compelled to issue a letter to his team’s panicked fans, offering an explanation for the perceived hold-up in the search, which has included a few candidates removing their name from consideration. After all, six of the NFL’s seven head-coaching openings have already been filled, with only the Browns still interviewing candidates. You snooze, you lose, right?

The Browns, Haslam wrote, intend to “stay disciplined to this process and to interview all of the candidates on our list.” They are being “very methodical” in their approach, and “are prepared to wait as long as necessary because this is a very important decision.”

Well, roger that. Maybe if the Browns had taken a little bit more time to make their coaching decision last year, they wouldn’t have felt it necessary to can Chudzinski one year into a four-year contract. Live and learn, I guess.

“We understood from the beginning that if we wanted to speak to all of the coaches on our list that we may need to wait until they have completed their participation in the playoffs. We are prepared to wait as long as necessary because this is a very important decision. Everyone in our organization is committed to finding the right leader for our team.” —Jimmy Haslam
As novel an idea as it passes for, Cleveland wants to interview all of the candidates on its list, and that means quite possibly waiting until after the Super Bowl to do so, when a bevy of assistant coaches from Denver, Seattle, San Francisco and New England (pretty, please Josh McDaniels?) will become available.

Quite the concept. But why isn’t it more common? Why is it in the NFL that most teams will spends months preparing for the draft, and weeks and weeks diving into free agency research and preparation, but then feel the need to invest only a handful of days into a critically important head coaching search? Isn’t picking your next coach at least as important as picking your next crop of players?

But that’s the current system the patient Browns are bucking to a certain degree, with the NFL’s rules on the interview windows for head coaching candidates during the postseason making a sprint out of some teams’ searches. Hiring a head coach has become a furious game of musical chairs, and teams desperately don’t want to get caught without one of the most sought-after chairs once the last notes are played. Houston got the game going this year, firing Gary Kubiak with three weeks to go in the season, and getting the desired head start on the rest of the field with the hiring of Penn State coach Bill O’Brien by Jan. 2.

That’s the way the hiring-season game is played now, but that can’t possibly be the best solution. While there will no doubt be issues to overcome no matter when the interview window falls, the most equitable thing to do is to make teams wait until after the Super Bowl is played to interview and hire a new head coach. Revolutionary, I know, but it would remove some of the biggest problems that exist in the current NFL system, even if it didn’t serve to dramatically slow the pace of the hirings once the window opens.

For one, assistants coaches on teams that make deep playoff runs or go to the Super Bowl won’t be disadvantaged any more. Those are usually some of the most attractive candidates on the market, as they are again this year with Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase, Seattle defensive coordinator Dan Quinn, and 49ers offensive coordinator Greg Roman. Yet many times those still-in-season candidates never get the chance to land a job because teams are too anxious to find their new coach and fill out a new coaching staff, and are thus unwilling to wait for the completion of the five-week postseason.

Last year at this time, San Francisco’s Roman was considered a strong candidate for the opening in Jacksonville, where new Jaguars general manager David Caldwell was shopping for a coach. But when Seattle lost in the divisional round, and coveted Seahawks defensive coordinator Gus Bradley came free, he wound up getting the Jaguars before Roman even had the opportunity to interview. Why? Because the 49ers were Super Bowl-bound. And the same scenario has probably played out this year, with Washington (Jay Gruden), Tennessee (Ken Whisenhunt), Detroit (Jim Caldwell) and Minnesota (Mike Zimmer) all making their coaching hires in the past six days. Three of those four coaches were on teams that just finished playoff runs in the past two weekends.

Taking more time to sort through the interview and hiring process would perhaps help teams avoid the pitfalls the Browns think they encountered last year, when their pursuit of Chip Kelly failed, and they responded by quickly landing Chudzinski. The urgency to hire someone, and not be seen as having been spurned by your top candidates, is a real and powerful motivator that can prompt clubs to short-change the decision-making process and all of its long-term ramifications.

COACHING CAROUSEL
Ken Whisenhunt is the right man for the Titans' job. Here's why Peter King thinks so.

Andrew Brandt explores why the firing process is so painful, as well as the inexact science of hiring coaches.

Meanwhile, Don Banks says the Titans' decision to fire Mike Munchak should serve as a reminder that coaches are people too, and not just fodder for headlines.
Gone too would be the onerous practice of making head-coaching candidates on playoff teams schedule interviews in clumps, just a day or two before they work the most important game of their club’s season. The divided attention span issue is a thorny one for playoff teams to contend with, but needlessly so, since it could be eliminated.
No more need for an offensive coordinator like Whisenhunt to interview with three teams and prepare a game plan for San Diego’s divisional-round playoff game at Denver, all within the span of a few days. And no more team officials like Vikings general manager Rick Spielman flying to Charlotte last weekend to interview the 49ers’ Roman and his fellow San Francisco assistant, defensive line coach Jim Tomsula, at a hotel less than 24 hours before the 49ers’ road playoff game at Carolina.

Is anyone capable of doing their best possible work under those circumstances? It’s not ideal for the coaching candidates, the teams they currently work for, or for team officials who are forced to jet around the country and jam some pretty crucial job interviews into tiny windows of time.

And if every team searching for a head coach has the potential of the same hiring season start date, then everyone has the same pool to build an assistant coaching staff from, and doesn’t have to make premature or hasty decisions based purely on pressure to compete for the best assistants. There would still be mad competition on that front, but there would at least be a leveling of that particular playing field.
A post-Super Bowl start to head coach hiring season would get push-back from those who think it’d be the end of the world to not have a fully operational coaching staff in place and scouting at next week’s Senior Bowl workouts in Alabama. But a team’s personnel and scouting staff doesn’t get completely wiped out in a coaching change and that assignment could be handled. With the lighter offseason programs in today’s NFL, you don’t desperately need a head coach in early to mid-January any way, and you’d still have months to make up for any draft prep that might be missed by conducting a February coaching search. After all, the draft this year has been moved to the second weekend of May, so there’s still all the time in the world for a new coaching staff to set its board.

I’ve never thought of them this way before, but the Browns might be the smart ones here. They’re taking their time to find a head coach. At least this time. They’re determined to find the right guy. Even if he’s not available right now.

I'll take all of that pseudo-praise with a block of rock salt. We played the waiting game when we hired Crennel, too.

Taking your time doesn't guarantee results, it just implies that you're being careful enough to look at all of the options.

Browns add Mike Pettine to list of head-coaching interviews

Add Bills defensive coordinator Mike Pettine to the list of candidates to be the next head coach of the Cleveland Browns.

Pettine will interview on Thursday, Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reports.

The 47-year-old Pettine is a well-regarded defensive coach who has been mentioned as a potential head-coaching candidate in the past, but this is the first time he’s been identified as a candidate for the Cleveland vacancy. Pettine just completed his first season as the defensive coordinator in Buffalo after four years as the defensive coordinator of the Jets. He’s previously spent time as a linebackers and defensive line coach with the Ravens.

The Browns, who fired coach Rob Chudzinski at the end of the season, say they’ll take as long as necessary to identify the right coach. Pettine’s interview is the next step in that process.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ing-interviews/

I'd Go And Get Quinn. Just A Feeling Though.Just Looks Like A Coach.

JC

Manning is one of the best offensive minds in football. I've never seen anyone fault an assistant for who their HC is and I'd consider that Peyton is smarter than most offensive minded HC's.

Waiting a few more weeks isn't going to hurt anything anymore than hiring a guy 6 days ago would help.

We waited till after the Super Bowl to hire Romeo and look how well that turned out. . .

j/c

First, remember what Haslam stated at his last presser, something to this affect, we will not make public our actions during this interviewing process. Everything posted by the media is most likely coming from an agent. Take for granted what media posts.

Second, I hope Browns don't hire a coach until every opportunity available is made. Nobody is standing in their way. If it takes until after the super bowl, I am fine with it. Coaches hired so far were nothing earth shattering got to have types.

Third, as for OC and DC remember Munchak and Schwartz are available.