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If you state he did not bring discipline. When we had training camp where if WRs dropped the ball they ran a lap, fumbled the ball ran a lap, OL jump off sides ran a lap. And all those infractions went down during the season. Then you come along and say he didn't bring any discipline???
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2009, under Mangini: 21 fumbles, 13 fumbles lost
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2008, under Crennel: 12
2009, under Mangini: 3
TOTAL PENALTY YARDS:
2008, under Crennel: 669 yards
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Back to the topic of this thread.
Gase looks to be all of 15 years old!
Why leave Denver when there's a good chance he could put a couple of SB rings on his hand?
He'd be wise to stay and most likely watch his stock rise.
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Back to the topic of this thread.
Gase looks to be all of 15 years old!
Why leave Denver when there's a good chance he could put a couple of SB rings on his hand?
He'd be wise to stay and most likely watch his stock rise.
I wouldn't go anywhere if I were him.
I'd take some interviews, and then leverage the interest into a raise.
I definitely wouldn't go to Cleveland. You usually get one crack at a HC gig, two if you're lucky.
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Bad timing for us with him.
Probably not a hard decision for him considering his current position and our current state.
We need a thick skinned, blue collar like work ethic guy in here.
He doesn't look the part.
Still like Dan Quinn. If it's not him I'll be looking for the Bills guy.
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Cleveland Browns might conduct 2nd interviews with Mike Pettine, Dan Quinn on January 19, 2014 at 2:06 PM, updated January 19, 2014 at 2:38 PM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns might conduct second interviews with defensive coordinators Mike Pettine of the Bills and Dan Quinn of Seahawks depending on how their search plays out over the few days, a league source told Northeast Ohio Media Group. The Browns plan to interview Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase after Denver is eliminated from the playoffs, but as of Saturday, Gase was leaning toward remaining with the Broncos, a source told NEOMG. If the Broncos lose Sunday to the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game, the Browns could swoop in as early as Sunday night or Monday and try to make Gase, 35, an offer he can't refuse. If things go well with Gase, second interviews with Quinn and Pettine might not be necessary. But a source also said that Gase is not necessarily the Browns' top target heading into the conference championship games, and that he'll have to top the interviews of multiple candidates that have dazzled the Browns, presumably Quinn and Pettine. Pettine can be interviewed at any time because he's out of the playoffs, and Quinn can talk again once he's eliminated -- or next week if the Seahawks advance to the Super Bowl Feb. 2 at MetLife Stadium in New Jersey. The Seahawks will face the 49ers in the NFC Championship Game on Sunday, and teams are permitted a second interview with a Super Bowl coach. ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported that the Browns would also be willing to wait for a second meeting with Patriots coordinator Josh McDaniels if he agrees to it, but a source told NEOMG that McDaniels currently has no plans to jump back into the mix. McDaniels pulled his name out of the running, saying he wanted to remain in New England, and a source told NEOMG that he opted out when told he wasn't the frontrunner. Quinn, 43, presides over the NFL's top-ranked defense (273.6 yards per game), and one that's also first in the NFL with only 14.4 points allowed per game. The Seahawks were tied for eighth in the NFL during the regular season with 44 sacks and led the league with 39 takeaways. He began his career primarily as a defensive line coach, and has worked for the 49ers, Dolphins, Jets and at the University of Florida. Quinn's mentors include Steve Mariucci, former Browns coach Eric Mangini and his current head coach, Pete Carroll. “Dan is a terrific football coach, he’s got tremendous background in the game, he’s got great character about the game, he’s a great communicator, he’s tough, he knows what he wants,'' Carroll told reporters. "Look how well he transitioned to take this thing over so quickly and like I said, ‘Seamlessly.’ Getting along with people, working with people, and also managing the talent, all of that. He’s really well-equipped... "[The playoffs are] first and foremost and all of our guys understand, but also I’ll help our guys any way that I can to fulfill the dreams that they have for themselves and proudly go about that. So we’ll deal with this normally also.” Pettine, 47, is coming off his first season as the Bills’ defensive coordinator, but spent four seasons as Jets coordinator before that. His Bills' defense, a 3-4 hybrid scheme, ranked 10th overall and 20th in scoring. It also finished second in interceptions and sacks. His Jets defenses finished in the top-10 in all four seasons from 2009-12, including a No. 1 ranking in 2009. Pettine was also a Ravens assistant from 2002-08, meaning he knows what it takes to win in the AFC North. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/01/cleveland_browns_mike_pettine.html
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The Browns might conduct second interviews with defensive coordinators Mike Pettine of the Bills and Dan Quinn of Seahawks depending on how their search plays out over the few days, a league source told Northeast Ohio Media Group.
I might take a nap. How is this news?
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I thought the article gave nice background on Pettine. And while not news, it seems like we have narrowed our search to 3 guys - Quinn, Pettine and Gase. I am really going to be rooting for the Seahawks tonight (because the team I root for always loses). That way we might get some closure on the HC search. I am sure tired of this treadmill. Now that the Broncos have won, if Seattle loses then I think we reach an agreement with Quinn or Pettine rather quickly - JMO.
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Well the Bronco's won, so it will be two more weeks before we can interview Gase.  How hilarious would it be if we wait and he then turns us down for an interview? I still don't get why Greg Roman's name is never mentioned.... He should be at the top of our wish list.
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We will now also see if McDaniels is going to put his name back into the mix. I say no.
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Nah. He's no doubt a great coordinator but I hope we don't give him his 2nd shot at HC.
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I might take a nap. How is this news?
No kidding. My first thought after reading that headline: "and then again they might not."
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I am not that high on Roman. I just don't see the fire that I think our team needs. It might be there butnI don't see it.
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I think he will. McDaniels was the coach Banner and Lombardi wanted the night Chud was fired. Taking his name out of the hat was just a convienence for him during the Pats playoffs and for this FO because of the backlash.
My prediction is McDaniels will be hired by the end of this week.
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If the Browns could get Manziel and a few decent running backs Roman would be a good choice. He could use Manziel in many of the same ways he uses Kapernick running the ball.
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What about del Rio? Totally forgot about him, but he has experience, got to the POs and is now a good DC. Am I forgetting smthg significant or why isn't he even considered for interviews?
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If you state he did not bring discipline. When we had training camp where if WRs dropped the ball they ran a lap, fumbled the ball ran a lap, OL jump off sides ran a lap. And all those infractions went down during the season. Then you come along and say he didn't bring any discipline???
FUMBLES:
2008, under Crennel: 17 fumbles, 6 fumbles lost
2009, under Mangini: 21 fumbles, 13 fumbles lost
DROPPED PASSES:
2008, under Crennel: 36 dropped passes, 7.4% drop percentage
2009, under Mangini: 39 dropped passes, 8.9% drop percentage
OFFSIDES PENALTIES:
2008, under Crennel: 12
2009, under Mangini: 3
TOTAL PENALTY YARDS:
2008, under Crennel: 669 yards
2009, under Mangini: 678 yards
Here's a free piece of advice -
If you're going to be condescending towards someone, take a minute or two to check your facts.
Otherwise, you might end up looking like a BOZO.
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But, to me, it says that they aren't going to accept losing.
By constantly firing coaches, that tells me they are willing to accept losing. Either that or they are too clueless to see that constantly changing coaches in the past didn't work. We're never going to win if we fire a coach after every season.
Hiring the wrong head coach (and I don't necessarily think that Chudzinski deserved firing) and sticking with them for longer than necessary isn't a good idea.
The Browns had 4 wins, 12 losses at the end of the season. That's the same. If you felt that 4 or 5 wins and 11 or 12 losses per year are acceptable, then I can see how you might be upset. Losing 7 straight games should be unacceptable to every Browns fan and it shouldn't matter what the coach's name is.
Feel free to point out examples of how the Browns constantly changing coaches has made us better. New ownership, same problems as the last owner.
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We will now also see if McDaniels is going to put his name back into the mix. I say no.
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Now that the Broncos have won, if Seattle loses then I think we reach an agreement with Quinn or Pettine rather quickly - JMO.
If we never even interview Gase then the letter that Haslam wrote is a farce.
Why? Gase may never have been on the interview list. I don't think that the Browns have said they're planning to interview him. It's been nothing but speculation on the part of the media.
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Unless they're doing some persuading with a guy like Stoops or some other bigger name I'm guessing it's Quinn or Pettine with it being Quinns to accept or decline since they're waiting for him to finish up. I suppose Gase may be in there but he'd be crazy to leave.
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Unless they're doing some persuading with a guy like Stoops or some other bigger name I'm guessing it's Quinn or Pettine with it being Quinns to accept or decline since they're waiting for him to finish up. I suppose Gase may be in there but he'd be crazy to leave.
I don't know that Gase will even get a chance to interview. He may not be their target anyway.
As I understand the rules about the hiring of coaches, the Browns do not need permission to speak to these coordinators or coaches after the playoffs. Obviously, coaches can always decline interview requests themselves, but their teams cannot keep them from 'upward mobility'. If a team wishes to interview a coach from another team that hasn't made the playoffs, they can interview them as soon as the season ends, as long as they have an opening to fill that is considered a vertical move. Going from OC or DC to HC is such a move. Going from WR coach to OC is also such a move.
The rules are slightly different for teams in the playoffs, because of the 'extended season'. As soon as a team in the playoffs lose, their coaches and coordinators are able, without permission, to speak to any other team about a vertical move.
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If we never even interview Gase then the letter that Haslam wrote is a farce.
Why? Gase may never have been on the interview list. I don't think that the Browns have said they're planning to interview him. It's been nothing but speculation on the part of the media.
The Browns sent a formal interview request to Denver to interview Gase.
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Wr coach to OC is considered a lateral move. Assistant coach to assistant coach. As far as I understand it.
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It's more like assistant coach to assistant coach. It's hardly a lateral move.
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Maybe not a lateral move to the coach but a lateral move as far as NFL interviewing/hiring goes.
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I believe coaches going forward to the SB can interview next week if they so choose.
I don't expect Gase to and kind of doubt Quinn will.
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If you state he did not bring discipline. When we had training camp where if WRs dropped the ball they ran a lap, fumbled the ball ran a lap, OL jump off sides ran a lap. And all those infractions went down during the season. Then you come along and say he didn't bring any discipline???
FUMBLES:
2008, under Crennel: 17 fumbles, 6 fumbles lost
2009, under Mangini: 21 fumbles, 13 fumbles lost
DROPPED PASSES:
2008, under Crennel: 36 dropped passes, 7.4% drop percentage
2009, under Mangini: 39 dropped passes, 8.9% drop percentage
OFFSIDES PENALTIES:
2008, under Crennel: 12
2009, under Mangini: 3
TOTAL PENALTY YARDS:
2008, under Crennel: 669 yards
2009, under Mangini: 678 yards
Here's a free piece of advice -
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I would love an explanation of how this is a reach.
I pointed out that the idea of Mangini instilling discipline was a myth perpetuated by those still deluded by the idea of Mangini.
EO countered by claiming that Mangini lowered fumbles, drops and penalties. He painted a picture of evidence so strong that to claim otherwise was a sign of ignorance.
Mangini did not do any of these things.
Again, please explain to me how refuting EO's claims, directly, and with hard evidence, is reaching.
Or just escape into the shell of "Mangini is ancient history" after your defense is poked with so many holes that it sinks.
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Reach?
How many times does Mangini or Crennel run or play a down?
Yea...reaching! Come on you are better than that. I've read your stuff. You really want to stand behind that last post?
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The Browns sent a formal interview request to Denver to interview Gase.
Yeah. Okay then. I guess I missed that one. I know it was talked about and that Gase said that he wouldn't interview until after Denver's season was over.
If the Browns sent a request, it doesn't necessarily mean that he will be the one that they want.
If he withdraws, it would still be irrelevant.
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It's about time to interview Greg Roman.
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How many times does Mangini or Crennel run or play a down?
Yea...reaching! Come on you are better than that. I've read your stuff. You really want to stand behind that last post?
I'm inclined to ask you the same question.
2008, under Crennel: a fumble once every 24 rushes
2009, under Mangini :a fumble once every 23 rushes
Do you really want to play this game? I'm more than willing to do so, but, spoiler alert: you won't come out on the winning end.
It's one thing to go to bat for Mangini and lose....it's another to act like I'm reaching or ignorant.
I'll ask again before we go down this road: do you really want to? Have you checked your facts, or are you going off our your gut intuition? Are you confident in your opinion, or are you just reciting it and hoping it's not challenged?
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Not that I really care about such a stupid debate, but you do know that fumbles aren't exclusive to rushing plays, yes?
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