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I joined after Butch's second season? Right after we got to the playoffs, right before we drafted Kellen Winslow Jr.
You forgot McCown in your QB list, lol. He was that 5th rounder who was going to develop into a prime time star.
Yeah, it has been an amazing decade.. hehe
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I just watched the press conference and was somewhat impressed actually. I think you are dead right about him being tough and demanding accountability.....loved it. These guys don't need a players coach they need a bit of a hard case.
The success rate for 1st time coordinators turned HCs is so low that it's obviously a crap shoot, but I definitely like the guys attitude. I also liked the fact we didn't just get a SB team's coordinator either. Those guys may be great coordinators, but it doesn't mean they possess the character traits neccesary to be a successful HC. I've always thought teams flocking to get the brightest coordinators to be their HC was stupid because of this.
Anyway good luck Mike and welcome to Cleveland.
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im wondering if we do let Ward walk, whats the chances of us landing Byrd? who i feel is a better S than Ward.
They play different positions. There is room for both.
They played next to each other at Oregon together too.
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Pettine also coached under Billick himself.
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ill admit, Pettine was not my first choice.
HOWEVER, he is now the coach of the Cleveland Browns and he has my 100% support.
Look, i'll be frank, im tired of us firing coaches every year, for once I hope the ownership gives this guy the 4 years needed to fix this mess, we need to give this guy and honest chance and stop the revolving coach nonsense...hopefully the FO sticks with this guy.
Welcome to Cleveland Mike, i hope you bring us a winner!
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Pettine also coached under Billick himself.
Very true, but I think he worked more directly with Ryan. It seemed to be part of the reason that he went with Ryan when Ryan took the HC gig in New York.
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It really sounded like I took this job cause i was desperate for a hc job and they hired him cause no one else wanted the job. Hope i am wrong but for all the excitement of hiring a new coach, that presser was about as comfortable as protruding hemorrhoids.
Daughters dont like the colors hell with them, they can go route for Buffalo lol
Are you Pettine? 
I hope you are wrong too!
No but he may be Phil Savage....
jk Mourg you'd be a much better GM than Savage 
side note. Savage is a prolific twitterer. As the senior bowl is going on I'd expect him to be twittering no less than than 30 times a day....if not more like 100.
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im wondering if we do let Ward walk, whats the chances of us landing Byrd? who i feel is a better S than Ward.
They play different positions. There is room for both.
They played next to each other at Oregon together too.
I stand corrected, i thought they played the same position guess i should have looked it up before i posted. I wonder if Ward wants to stay, and if he can influence Byrd to come to Cleveland.
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Thanks man. Most people don't take my opinion in to account all that often.
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You can tell he wasn't real comfortable w/the media. He even admitted it. But, I like the guy. I think he is tough. I think a big thing is going to be holding players accountable. He's going to grade them on every play, even in practice.
I loved what he said about toughness, especially the mental toughness aspect. I think our image will improve under this guy.
I do have a concern about the offense. Not sure I want him dabbling into that too much.
We'll see. I think in some way a defensive guy knows O better....and he was a all state Qb in HS. I know, a long way from the pros, but I doubt Romeo EVER played QB, even with his buddies when he was twelve.
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im wondering if we do let Ward walk, whats the chances of us landing Byrd? who i feel is a better S than Ward.
Hard to say.....I don't know.
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Mary kay interview was better than the presser. I like what i heard. web page
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Whether Pettine was the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 12th pick, I believe is moot at this point in time. If any of the reported frontrunners, Gase and McDaniels, withdrew their candidacy, so be it. If they didn't want the challenge or were indecisive or whatever the case may be, at this time is irrelevant. Quite frankly, I think not landing either was a blessing in disguise. The Browns needed someone 100% committed.
To me, Pettine looks and has the demeanor of true head coach. In the end, time will be the ultimate judge of success or failure. The FO must give him tremendous support and the talent to succeed. Everyone must be held accountable moving forward.
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I look forward to seeing what this guy can do to instill a winning attitude and culture. Loved the presser ... loved what I heard about him after he was interviewed and obviously created an impression. GO BROWNS
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Thanks - liked the press conference... Don't know a lot about the guy but seems to be a confident coach... Let's hope it turns into wins.... I do agree he needs to get a good offensive coordinator
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Wow the way TJ was talking you wouldn't even know that he hasn't re-signed yet
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Thanks - liked the press conference... Don't know a lot about the guy but seems to be a confident coach... Let's hope it turns into wins.... I do agree he needs to get a good offensive coordinator
I think his confidence just oozes out of him. I think he needs a good coaching staff around him, including a good OC. All teams need good coaches and coordinators though. It'll be interesting to see where they come from. I hope that the Bills give the Browns permission for O'Neill for the DC.
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Wow the way TJ was talking you wouldn't even know that he hasn't re-signed yet
Well... I suppose there is that, eh? 
You know- for a day or two, I'd completely forgotten about THAT little wrinkle. Mack, too.
MAN... this FO has a lot of work ahead....
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Thanks - liked the press conference... Don't know a lot about the guy but seems to be a confident coach... Let's hope it turns into wins.... I do agree he needs to get a good offensive coordinator
Well they just had one of the best,and ran him off for whatever reason.Hopefully whoever they get,will be given the players he needs.That offense has got to be the main focus of this franchise for awhile.They blow this draft,and it's back to square one again.
...then again,we never left square one..lolol
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Wow the way TJ was talking you wouldn't even know that he hasn't re-signed yet
Everyone knows what I think of Ward, but you're right. He sounded like he wants to get started with the new coach.
However, we all know the realities of that situation. We might be able to keep him around but we don't know what Pettine's evaluation of Ward will be.
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I am having a hard time buying this "first choice" and "second choice" thing.
Who were those guys? How do you know they were desired more than Pettine by the Browns?
People make the assumption that the first name you call for an interview is your first choice and down the line so, by default, the 5th person mentioned in the media that you contacted for an interview must have been your 5th choice...
I have no problem with the FO having a list of 4 or 5 at the beginning that they want to talk to... I also have no problem with them expanding that list as the search goes forward as some take themselves out and we rule some out...... and I have no problem hiring the 7th guy they interview......
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It's probably more to do with the mad dash of coaches we've interviewed in the past 2 weeks compared to our first week and a half. That's why people believe him to not be the first choice.
Edit: Holy Run-on sentence, Batman!
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I hope he does well....
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.....
Yeah... I am pretty worn out about this...
There was no plan, other than they did not like Chud.
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Wow the way TJ was talking you wouldn't even know that he hasn't re-signed yet
Everyone knows what I think of Ward, but you're right. He sounded like he wants to get started with the new coach.
However, we all know the realities of that situation. We might be able to keep him around but we don't know what Pettine's evaluation of Ward will be.
We also have no idea how the negotiations will unfold between Banner and Ward's agent... and how they might (or might not) be influenced by Petttine's view about Ward.
There's a crapload of layers at work here.... some that haven't yet been hammered out between Pettine and the FO. Ward is only one view of the issues facing us. Mack is another.
Dude doesn't even have a staff yet, and he immediately has to wonder if he'll even have these 2 pro bowlers in his stable come TC. I hope some interview time was taken to address 'unseen issues' like these. If I was interviewing for the job, I'd certainly like to know something like this.
Bottom Line: as attractive as our "on paper" situation may look to an incoming HC, a LOT remains to be handled. This is a big, BIG job for any HC.
It's much, much bigger than the job Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh took over. And the 'margin of error for start-up' is much skinnier.
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I keep hearing there was no plan... I'm curious what the plan could have or should looked like... We don't like our current coach, we made a mistake when we hired him, let's fire him at the end of the season and hire a new one... build a list of a number of candidates that we want to consider and we'll start interviewing them... And based on how those interviews go, we may have to expand the list...
Other than that, what can you really do?
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I am satisfied. From what I know about him he has a decent chance of being successful. I think that he has the right temperament for a head coach, and I like that he is a driven, football guy. I did not want a failed retread. That was my biggest fear. I an happy that didn't happen. Whether or not he'll be the one to turn this mess around .... who knows? He seems as likely a choice as anyone. Plus ...... he actually wanted to be here ..... and with all of the coaches who withdrew from consideration ... that says something. (like maybe he's insane)  Seriously though ...... In a way his approach reminds me of my own when I took over failed restaurants. Have a plan, work your plan. Look at what successful businesses do, and take the best for yourself. Get everyone on the same page, and if someone doesn't want to get with you, then boot them. (no matter how talented or capable a person is, you can't have people pulling in opposite directions) Set the rules, set the agenda, and follow up constantly and consistently. It is a formula for success ...... and that is the vibe I get from him.
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Dude doesn't even have a staff yet, and he immediately has to wonder if he'll even have these 2 pro bowlers in his stable come TC.
I think it is safe to say that we have one of Ward or Mack on the squad next year via the franchise tag. Hopefully we can just re-sign whatever guy doesn't get franchised.
What a weird thing, using the franchise tag on someone other than a kicker. I didn't know that was allowed.
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Did we ever end up interviewing Gase? I believe we had one with Quinn? (or was that also postponed) I know nothing about Pettine. I was a little surprised we hired him this week instead of waiting to interview Gase. But I don't care who we hire really. Get me a QB lombo/banner. Get me a firecracker modern OC who has mastered the pistol offense and all the current niches and that is just gravy on top for me.
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Gase declined to interview for the job. He withdrew his name.
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Ah thanks Ytown. You would think for a guy who is on a browns forum multiple times a day I would have caught that Then I have no beefs with the coaching hire. I still prefer a Chip Kelly type coach. Modern offensive juggernauts. Hiring a DC as the HC concerns me a bit. I think with Chud/Turner they kind of went with possibly Chud being a genius and Turner being the genius of the 90s. I guess it didn't work out well for whatever reason. I wish the next crew better success.
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Good luck Coach Pettine. You're going to NEED it!
Two things you MUST do in this division.... play great defense and RUN the ball. Right now you have a 33 year old 2.5 ypc RB as your starter. Yeah, you're going to need a LOT of luck.
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jc Never really knew who this guy was until today. Watched him in a few videos and looked at his history, but I have to admit his attitude, personality and what appears to be a life long love affair with the game really impressed me. Don't know if he will be the guy that turns us around but I hope he is. 
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Good luck Coach Pettine. You're going to NEED it!
Two things you MUST do in this division.... play great defense and RUN the ball. Right now you have a 33 year old 2.5 ypc RB as your starter. Yeah, you're going to need a LOT of luck.
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Two things you MUST do in this division.... play great defense and RUN the ball. Right now you have a 33 year old 2.5 ypc RB as your starter. Yeah, you're going to need a LOT of luck.
Who in our division runs the ball? Not Cinci. Not Baltimore. Pittsburgh sucked at it and got better production from Brown, Sanders and Cotchery.
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and you see where all 4 teams are sitting at right? next to you and me on the couch.
look at the playoff/SB teams this year. they ran that rock hard, especially in the playoffs.
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look at the playoff/SB teams this year. they ran that rock hard, especially in the playoffs.
Denver? New Orleans? Cincinnati? San Diego? Indy? Philly is a bit of a mix, you can argue either way with them.
That's half of the teams in the playoffs.
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