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back to the 16-0 predictions?

I don't know...actually I hate making predictions - why I say 16-0...lol

But it hasn't worked yet...I might do 0-16 for once

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Any way you look at it, no matter what this FO does, the fan base will make excuses for it, accept it and somehow twist it into being just fine.

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Any way you look at it, some of you guys will bash the FO no matter what they do. At first, it was they took too long and missed out on all the good candidates. Now, it's they didn't wait long enough.

You talk out of both sides of your butt, Pit. You hate the FO and criticize them on every move. Then, you get upset w/people who are willing to give them a chance.

No one is saying they are great. No one is saying we have a great coaching staff. No one is saying they love everything going on. Yet, you keep saying that is the case. You're full of crap, Pit.

I don't care if you hate them. I don't care if you want them to fail just so you can say "I told you so." However, quit telling me--and everyone else---how we should feel about the FO and our new coaching staff.

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However, quit telling me--and everyone else---how we should feel about the FO and our new coaching staff.

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Now that's funny stuff right there. Pot meet Kettle.

That's a very creative way to put it. No one ever says "pot meet kettle."

Btw------------I don't care what others think. I state what I think. I have no problem if he hates the FO. But, I will fight him--and you---if you try and tell me what I should feel about the FO..........or for that matter, any other topic.

Sorry, I'm just not buying that Quinn would have been a slam dunk for us. Of course he'd say he would be interested.

This guy will get a shot at probably the best opening of 2015 after yesterday.

He'll be in Dallas in 15.

Looking at what teams I thought would be available. Seemed like the best team to go to.

Unless he can go to Cincy. I'd hate that.

I imagine the Jets, Dolphins, Raiders, and Giants could be in the market for a head coach next off-season for different reasons.

J / C..

Pettine live now on KNR.. If you want to hear him.

Jim O'Neil on WKRK (with audio).

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/02/06...f-browns-staff/

jc

Browns coach Mike Pettine on: Running the ball, building up Mingo and retaining Chris Tabor as special teams coordinator

By Tony Grossi | ESPNCleveland.com
Feb 07, 2014 -- 6:00am

The Morning Kickoff …

Music to our ears: The stats of the year for the Browns in 2013 were these:

* They were tied or ahead going into the fourth quarter in nine games.

* They led the NFL with 681 pass attempts – a Browns franchise record. They had another 49 pass plays result in sacks. So that’s 730 pass plays despite having to play three quarterbacks because of injury or ineffectual play.

* They were 4-5 in those nine games with fourth quarter leads or ties.

The Browns also had one of the more anemic running games in their history. They didn’t even carry a natural fullback on their roster. If they had run the ball more in the fourth quarter rather than throw it willy-nilly, they may have won a few more games.

Thus it was great to hear new coach Mike Pettine’s comments on Thursday on the type of offense he wants.

“I think it’s critical in northeast Ohio late in the year … your offense has to be all-weather, you have to be able to run the ball,” Pettine said. “It is a passing league, but you have to be able to run the ball to close games out, and if the weather turns, you need to find an alternate way to score points.”

Pettine said new offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan appealed to him because of his ability to adapt.

He said: “Kyle’s proven in six years that he can have one of the leading rushing attacks, he can have one of the leading passing attacks. He can have a veteran quarterback, he can have a rookie quarterback. He can have a marquee receiver like Andre Johnson, or he can get it done with some other guys that aren’t Pro Bowl types. All different types of offensive linemen. He’s done it with different running backs. That was appealing to me, that his system over all those changes was able to adapt and be successful.”

Mingo talk: Pettine was defensive coordinator of the Buffalo Bills a year ago, and his newly named coordinator with the Browns, Jim O’Neil, was Bills linebackers coach. As the draft approached, they lobbied for Barkevious Mingo for the Bills’ first choice, which was No. 8 overall.

“On draft day, my wife actually made Barkevious Mingo cupcakes for the guys who had the power to make the eighth overall pick, but obviously it didn’t happen,” O’Neil said.

The Browns took Mingo sixth overall. With Mingo off the board, the Bills traded their pick to St. Louis for the Rams’ first- and second-round picks.

“I’m a big fan of Mingo,” O’Neil said. “I’m looking forward to working with him. He flashes some on tape. He did a lot of good things. He’s obviously a young player. He’s got some things to work on, but we’re excited as a defensive staff to get him back here and start working with him.”

Mingo wound up 14th on the Browns with 42 tackles and second with five sacks.

With the second-round pick acquired from St. Louis, the Bills found a defensive star in middle linebacker Kiko Alonso of Oregon. Alonso played every defensive snap as a rookie and finished third in the NFL with 159 tackles. He had four interceptions and received votes for defensive rookie of the year honors.

Alonso was the defender who chased down scrambling Brian Hoyer and landed on him when Hoyer’s cleat caught the FirstEnergy Stadium grass awkwardly, resulting in his torn ACL in the Thursday night game against the Bills.

Pettine said he’s “confident” his staff can develop Mingo into a player worthy of the No. 6 overall pick.

“Because I feel if a guy shows he can do it, even if it’s just for that one play, if he flashes that brilliance, then it’s our job to get him more consistent,” he said.

One thing everyone agrees on is that Mingo needs to add weight and strength.

“He is a lean, angular guy,” Pettine said. “I think the NFL is a size and speed league and you’re always looking to get guys (bigger) … if he has the frame capable of carrying more weight, which it’s pretty clear that he does, that’s something that we’re going to push for him to do.”

The great survivor: Chris Tabor was named Pat Shurmur’s special teams coordinator in 2011. In 2013, Tabor was retained by Rob Chudzinski. Now Tabor has been retained again by Pettine.

That’s three head coaches in four years for Tabor.

“I think it says that the good Lord is watching over me, to be honest with you,” Tabor said. “I’m fortunate, myself and my assistant Shawn Mennenga, who does an outstanding job with us. It’s nice to be able to stay at a place and continue to coach the guys, and keep your system implemented and going, and continue to grow with it.”

Despite some negative plays that weighed heavily in key losses – a fumbled punt by Davone Bess in Kansas City, two blocked punts in Cincinnati, a failed pick-up of an onside kick against New England – the Browns declined requests from other teams to interview Tabor.

“(Tabor) is one of the most well-respected special teams coaches in the league,” Pettine said. “It was evidenced by the number of requests that came in for him after the season that he was not permitted to leave, and I was glad that happened. He’s a quality coach. He’s the son of a coach. As you guys will see with the staff makeup, I have a soft spot for coaches’ kids.”

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Describe to me what you think Mike Pettine needs to do, needs to develop, needs to project to the NFL, fans of Cleveland, etc... in order to be really successful? In order to become a star NFL Head Coach.

I'm trying to visualize a scenario where he is really successful and is a annual playoff guy.

The need for a quality quarterback is a no brainer, but what does Pettine himself, have to do? He is in a situation where he can become a star, but there is a very high risk of us and the fans turning him into a bum.

He needs to let his coordinators and his chosen staff do their jobs. He needs to instill a level of accountability. I'm sorry but if you're having a Greg-like/Bess-like season, you don't deserve to be playing on gameday and u don't deserve to be babied. You deserve to be riding the bench. You can be a player's coach and still be disciplined. He needs to mold the systems to the strengths of the players, and not try to turn chicken crap into chicken salad cause it just isn't feasible, especially in terms of the qb and the offensive scheme.

He, and any Cleveland coach now, are already in hot water and the pressure surrounding them is high due to the consistent and constant losing seasons and previous failures at coach/etc. What does he need to do to be successful and make a name for himself? Win... honestly, in this business, it's about as cut-throat, bottom lined as that.

i agree.

that being said, we all knew that bum in TB needed to be fired anyway.

If your FO has no back bone and caters to everything the fans say and want, then I agree.

Yet to me, the hiring of Lombardi, the firing of Chud and the trading of TRich are perfect examples that this FO does what they think is right despite what the fans think.

I don't agree with many of their choices but I do like that they try to do what they feel is right, not what is popular.

To me this is concrete evidence that the fan base will have no bearing on the decision of keeping or firing the HC.

I do agree there are owners and FO's in which this may have an impact, but not here as the evidence seems to point to.

Pettine interview from yesterday:

Thanks!

Thanks for posting that.

I was waiting (and not disappointed) for someone to ask about Byrd. No one can discuss players on other teams yet. Did they expect Coach to walk into a tampering charge?

Interesting, regarding Byrd when asked if he could talk about him, "I can't right now and until the league year ends, he's a buffalo Bill)

True enough, but was it a hint? LOL this is fun..

anyway, Pettine is an engaging guy. after the way that Chud was cut loose, I didn't want to like any new guy,, But he's really hard not to like. Seems tough and fair. Sounds like we could have done a helluva lot worse...LOL In fact, we have several times!

Another positive of getting Byrd (outside of his talent) would be that it illustrates Farmer and Pettine are working together to build the team. As they have coined "in lock step".

Farmer is building the FA plan but addressing what Pettine feels are key pieces to his schemes.

I still hope there is a way to have both Ward and Byrd, but we'll see. It doesn't look that way at least at this point.

For a guy that says he is uncomfortable in front of the camera / media he sure handles it well

"RIGHT PLAYER AT THE RIGHT PRICE"

Works for me.

Comes across as a very likeable and honest guy.

What I don't understand is his "trickle down" affect talk when it comes to signing FAs. Not sure how honest he was with that, but if true, then I'd be a bit disappointed. I understand being fiscally responsible, but with the huge amount of cap we are pretty much free to do anything we want. Bayrd and Ward should be no problem...and should not even be a problem to add Shields if we want to

This is a fun game: http://overthecap.com/calculator/?Team=Browns

Any of us can play armchair GM for a moment and cut/extend the players they like. I did. I re-signed Mack, Haden, Sheard, Rubin, Ward, Taylor and Cameron to long term deals all worth 7-12mil annually. I cut Campbell, Weeden and Bess....and you know what? After all of that, there still was well over 25mil of cap for 2015 and that's without the probable carry-over from 2014 and without the very real possibilities of cutting Kruger, D.Bryant (drafting Mingo after signing Kruger will look really stupid when it will cost us either Kruger as a cut or Sheard as a FA we have to let go. What an incredibly stupid pick that was)

What I'm trying to say is: Byrd and Ward financally could easily realized, IF they want to. "Right guy, right price" to me in our situation means if they want a guy, they get the right price part too. Me thinks they don't value Ward all that much and in his scheme, he might be right, but I still think it's irresoponsible to let him walk without any compensation.

We can easily have Mack, Ward, Shields, Byrd, a mid level FA RB like Jennings or Starks, a good OG like Asamoah or Schwartz and a solid ILB without affecting the cap this year and beyond. We can even sign ALL of our own core guys to rich extensions and still be under the cap in 2015.

Just do it and don't give me the crap about "Right player, right price". The way the cap is supposed to rise in the upcoming seasons, there's almost no point of using the cap as an excuse, not in our current situation at least.

jc

I refuse to gauge a coach based on what he says in press confzÙence. The only time I would even consider what a player or a coach says in a presser is if it's something "from the soul" aka NOT PC. Like Brandon Weeden and his crying during this season.

Unless a guy says something controversial or unscripted you're literally hearing the company line and that's all I got out of that presser. The company line.