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jc https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/04/01/rookies-in-focus-barkevious-mingo/Rookies In Focus: Barkevious Mingo With the offseason in full gear, it’s time to review the 2013 season, particularly the rookies. After months of pre-draft drama, it’s important to look back and evaluate the success of each position group. If your favorite team was in the market for an offensive tackle, did they take the right one? Needed an edge rusher? Which one fell to your team? This is by no means a definitive draft grade on any of these players, just a one-year look at their role and production, and perhaps a look forward to how they might improve. [click to: comparison graphics | Dion Jordan | Ezekiel Ansah | Barkevious Mingo | Jarvis Jones | Bjoern Werner] Round 1, No. 6: Barkevious Mingo, Cleveland Browns rookie-ER-inset-mingoRole Total Snaps: 668 Defensive Right End: 73 (10.9%) Defensive Left End: 22 (3.3%) Linebacker: 573 (85.8%) *375 at ROLB Before the season, new defensive coordinator Ray Horton installed his attacking 3-4 scheme with Mingo making the transition from college defensive end to rush linebacker. He spent 71 percent of his snaps in a standup role on the right side with 46 percent of his snaps coming in the Browns’ base 3-4 package. Pass Rushing Grade: -9.8 Pass Rush Snaps: 336 Total Pressures: 30 Sacks: 5 Hits: 7 Hurries: 18 Pass Rushing Productivity: 8.1 While the flashes were certainly there, Mingo struggled to get consistent pressure throughout the season. Whether he was beating LT Bryant McKinnie off the edge in 1.7 seconds back in Week 2 or making LT Cameron Bradfield look foolish with a spin move in Week 13, Mingo’s showed the necessary tools to become an elite pass rusher. However, there were a number of games where he was a non-factor as he only graded positively as a rusher in five of his 15 games. Mingo did show an ability to bat passes at the line of scrimmage as his four tied for second among 3-4 outside linebackers. Mingo Against the Run Grade: -2.4 Run Snaps: 263 Stops: 15 Run Stop Percentage: 6.0 During the draft process, many analysts questioned Mingo’s bulk and ability to shed blockers in the running game, but many of his rookie year issues appeared to be more mental than physical. This was never more evident than his Week 4 game against the Cincinnati Bengals in which he lost contain twice in the second quarter, mostly due to his aggressiveness or lack of awareness than his actually being blocked. When he was asked to take on blockers, he performed quite well – whether inline at the point of attack or taking on pulling guards – something he also did well in college at LSU. Mingo Beats Oher vs Run Coverage Grade: -3.7 Coverage Snaps: 69 The transition to 3-4 outside linebacker is generally a difficult one for college defensive ends from a coverage standpoint, and Mingo certainly took his lumps. Though he only dropped 69 times on the season, he often vacated zones a bit early or missed tackles in space. Final Word While there were some ups and downs, Mingo showed immense potential as both a pass rusher and as a run stopper. If he can find a way to get home as a rusher on a more consistent basis while shoring up some of the mental mistakes that plagued him in the running game, he has a chance to take a big step forward in Year 2. [click to: comparison graphics | Dion Jordan | Ezekiel Ansah | Barkevious Mingo | Jarvis Jones | Bjoern Werner] Click on the link, there are some good gif's. Here's another link comparing all 1st round pass rushers. Mingo graded worst overall, although Werner was worse on a per snap basis. More alarming than anything is that he graded negatively in all three phases of the game. He's the project many on here predicted he'd be, but that didn't stop the stooges of selecting him 6th overall. Yeah, I'm still bummed about it....anyway, here's the link: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/03/31/rookies-in-focus-edge-rushers/
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I got the impression from hearing Petine talk about him that he thinks Horton didn't use him the right way. He seems excited to have him.
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Why didn't you respond to the articles that talked about him in a favorable light.
Those ratings are bogus.
The kid has a lot of work to do, but he flashed brilliance and was better than the other guys drafted around him.
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This spin move is quite ridiculous:  Mingo definitely has the potential to be great. He showed flashes. He just needs to be more consistent. Pettine seems like a guy who gets the most out of his players potential.
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Why didn't you respond to the articles that talked about him in a favorable light.
Those ratings are bogus.
If you actually read the article and watched the gif's, you'd realize that they cover both good and bad of his play and disappointments and upside.
Your response is actually quite telling of your agenda apologetics since the day he got drafted since you don't even try to tackle one of the many points being made and proven in those articles. It's especially hypocritical since you bashed Haden for not being great from the get go. Imagine Haden would have been a below AVG slot CB his rookie season, because that's the equivalent of what Mingo did.
I'm disappointed in Mingo's rookie season. We needed more impact from the 6th overall pick. You don't draft for "projection upside" in the top 10, you just don't. The draft class was bad? That's mostly BS, as there were much better players drafted after him. As bad as a class can be, there will always be more good players come out of it then you have picks, you just have to find them...and guess what, we got a trade down offer, which Banner rejected clearly saying that they valued Mingo over that offer. Would anyone trade a mid 1st + 3rd rounder for Mingo today? I doubt it. It was bad value. We could have gotten Rhodes + Warford with that trade, but we have Mingo instead. It was an unnecessary luxury pick with Kruger, Sheard and Groves on the roster and we still need a CB2, OG etc....just bad roster management all around
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Yeah, that spin move was pretty sick. Plants that right foot and then it's all over from there... I like watching Desmond Bryant's lateral movement too. We got some monsters in that front seven!
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I like Mingo's skill set, and he needs to get stronger. He took himself out of plays at times, but the bulk of the work may need to be done between his ears. I hope Pettine can get more results; cared less and less for Horton's D as the season wore on, especially down the stretch. But Mingo needs to be more disruptive consistently IMO. When he is good, he is very, very good; but when he was bad, he was . . . . 
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What I would like to know,is why he was drafted if his weight was an issue to begin with?
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He missed outside contain quite a few times last year, hopefully Pettine can clean that up.
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What I would like to know,is why he was drafted if his weight was an issue to begin with?
because he has a big frame where they can add weight/strength over a couple years.
it is difficult to find guys with his burst and moves. that is what we drafted. yes, it's on potential, and we really should have only used him as SF used Aldon Smith his rookie year (pass rush specialist), but injuries forced our hand.
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and depth quality.
Sheard and Kruger were good, but beyond that we had no one...especially after Groves went down for the year.
I dont think he was as bad as we're kinda calling him on. He was disruptive, but I think he hit a bit of a rookie wall somewhat early...and he didnt find a counter move that really worked for him...They say the best thing about Freshmen is that they become sophomores, and I think that goes the same way in the NFL...the best thing about rookies is that they become 2nd year players (cept for that pesky sophomore slump that seems to hit a lot of WRs and QBs for some reason)
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What I would like to know,is why he was drafted if his weight was an issue to begin with?
because he has a big frame where they can add weight/strength over a couple years.
it is difficult to find guys with his burst and moves. that is what we drafted. yes, it's on potential, and we really should have only used him as SF used Aldon Smith his rookie year (pass rush specialist), but injuries forced our hand.
I've argued against the belief that Mingo can add weight. I never saw this big frame where he could easily pack on 15 pounds of muscle and suddenly become stout against the run. My eyes see a very slight frame where what you see now is what you'll always see. Power and strength have never been his game, and it's unlikely to ever be his game.
I do agree that he was drafted because of his speed and quickness, but that can only take a player so far. Mingo is woefully lacking in his desire to really stick his head in there and get physical. That spin-move which is played over and over...that's an anomaly compared to how it looked most of the season.
Mingo is never going to be this physical presence. He's going to boom-or-bust based on his ability to be a speed guy. He doesn't have to dominate against the run to be a worthwhile pick. What he has to do is show the desire to be more physical so that he's not a liability when he's not using his speed to disrupt. Of course he didn't exactly light up the highlight films with his abilities last year.
The one saving grace is that it's a tough transition from DE to OLB in the NFL for rookies, especially ones who are light in the ass and short on experience.
I didn't like the Mingo pick when we made it, and I'm not at all optimistic he's going to become a great player. He's gotta show more desire to be physical and develop some kinds of pass-rush moves.
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Mingo doesn't need to become stout against the run. He needs to become average against the run and a beast pass rusher.
I don't know if he can become either (should know much better after this next year after a full year in our offseason program), but that is the type of guy that we need Mingo to be.
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I don't think its a good idea to have Mingo add weight. Its going to affect his speed and agility...speed and agility was the reason we drafted him.
Most of Mingo's struggles last year were more to blame on him blowing assignments and not keeping containment. Mingo did get better slowly throughtout the year, and I saw him set a good edge quite a few times last year later on in the year.
Mingo is strong enough "to get by" and thats good enough....we need to use Mingo to his strength's which is his speed and agility to get after the QB...if we had a DC like Dick Lebeau, he would move Mingo around all over the place to put him in position to use that speed and agility of his to get after it....Mingo has a uinique talent set, and we need to move him around to best take advantage of that skill set....rushing him from the outside all the time over and over again really is a waste of his talent......put him inside sometimes, bring him up the middle....do little delay blitzes sometimes, mix it up and put Mingo in position to maximize his talents and he will do well,
playing him like a standard DE/OLB just don't play to his greatest assests and is a waste IMO, and adding weigfht to him will only slow him down.
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Has there been a Mingo sighting yet from any off season effects on his Body???
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I agree. I've seen Mingo up close in person, and there's not a lot of space between the shoulders and he has narrow hips. He is long and lean. You can only pack so much muscle on a frame like that.
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I don't think its a good idea to have Mingo add weight. Its going to affect his speed and agility...speed and agility was the reason we drafted him.
NFL teams have these magic ways of adding muscle/weight to players without affecting their speed & agility much at all. i don't want to be naive about the way they do it, so just noting that it happens.
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He missed outside contain quite a few times last year, hopefully Pettine can clean that up.
Agreed. It also appeared to me that he would frequently be very non-aggressive...almost like he was catching his breath for a play or two. It may have been the scheme called.
Plus I saw numerous times how they drop a screen over him on the play after he got pressure. Great physical skills, just needs some experience.
I'd like to see some additional muscle bulk on him, but not ice cream and lasagna weight.
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Your response is actually quite telling of your agenda apologetics since the day he got drafted since you don't even try to tackle one of the many points being made and proven in those articles. It's especially hypocritical since you bashed Haden for not being great from the get go. Imagine Haden would have been a below AVG slot CB his rookie season, because that's the equivalent of what Mingo did.
Would you freaking drop it. They are gone. Time to freaking move on. I am so sick of everytime I disagree w/you gotta throw out the "agenda" BS! Just shut the hell up about that, will ya? It's over, They are gone!
I happen to like Mingo as a player. I think he is raw, but has immense talent. That's it. I am NOT asking you to agree, but please, drop the AGENDA BS!!!!
Haden? I didn't knock him for not being great right away. That is a lie. I said you guys overrated him. Big difference.
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Barkevious Mingo trying to gain weight, “psyched” to play for Mike Pettine http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...r-mike-pettine/ Quote:
For most people, the inability to put on weight despite eating pizzas loaded with fattening toppings would be an enjoyable trait to have.
For Browns linebacker Barkevious Mingo, though, it is a problem. The Browns want Mingo, who was listed at 240 pounds in his rookie season, to be heavier when the 2014 season gets underway and Mingo is doing his best to give them what they want. He told the Browns website that he frequented a pizza parlor in his hometown before reporting back to work with Cleveland and often ordered a pie topped with Canadian bacon, bacon, sausage, Andouille sausage, and jalapeños, but gaining weight remains problematic.
“It’s been really hard because I still burn it off; I can eat what I want,” Mingo said.
If Mingo can get himself beefy enough for the Browns’ liking, he should have a prominent role in new coach Mike Pettine’s defense. Pettine helped the Bills to 57 sacks as their defensive coordinator last season and Mingo, who had five sacks as a rookie, was drafted to get after quarterbacks, which makes it no surprise to learn that he’s “psyched” to play for Pettine this season.
And the Browns will be psyched if some of those pizzas start showing up when Mingo steps onto the scale this offseason.
Sounds like Mingo's metabolism is still in high gear if he can eat and still not gain weight.
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...a pie topped with Canadian bacon, bacon, sausage, Andouille sausage, and jalapeños, but gaining weight remains problematic.
He's not going to gain much weight eating fat. He needs to load up on a ton of carbs to go along with all that fat. Jalapenos ain't gonna do squat but help it taste better.
Mashed potatoes and gravy with buttered Italian bread with a nice chuck roast. Pancakes smothered with butter and syrup and a double-side of sausage. Pasta, pasta, pasta covered in fatty sauces and cheese, lots of cheese.
I could coach him overweight in no time. 
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Mashed potatoes and gravy with...
Kindly stop that talk; still an hour to go before dinner...
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Shouldn't Mingo have a private chef for something like this? I mean, I understand that maybe getting a pizza here and there is ok, but he needs to take this seriously, not just "get a pizza here and there."
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...a pie topped with Canadian bacon, bacon, sausage, Andouille sausage, and jalapeños, but gaining weight remains problematic.
He's not going to gain much weight eating fat. He needs to load up on a ton of carbs to go along with all that fat. Jalapenos ain't gonna do squat but help it taste better.
Mashed potatoes and gravy with buttered Italian bread with a nice chuck roast. Pancakes smothered with butter and syrup and a double-side of sausage. Pasta, pasta, pasta covered in fatty sauces and cheese, lots of cheese.
I could coach him overweight in no time.
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For most people, the inability to put on weight despite eating pizzas loaded with fattening toppings would be an enjoyable trait to have.
For Browns linebacker Barkevious Mingo, though, it is a problem. The Browns want Mingo, who was listed at 240 pounds in his rookie season, to be heavier when the 2014 season gets underway and Mingo is doing his best to give them what they want. He told the Browns website that he frequented a pizza parlor in his hometown before reporting back to work with Cleveland and often ordered a pie topped with Canadian bacon, bacon, sausage, Andouille sausage, and jalapeños, but gaining weight remains problematic.
“It’s been really hard because I still burn it off; I can eat what I want,” Mingo said.
If Mingo can get himself beefy enough for the Browns’ liking, he should have a prominent role in new coach Mike Pettine’s defense. Pettine helped the Bills to 57 sacks as their defensive coordinator last season and Mingo, who had five sacks as a rookie, was drafted to get after quarterbacks, which makes it no surprise to learn that he’s “psyched” to play for Pettine this season.
And the Browns will be psyched if some of those pizzas start showing up when Mingo steps onto the scale this offseason.
Sounds like Mingo's metabolism is still in high gear if he can eat and still not gain weight.
Maybe he can have some breakfast pizzas too, with eggs, potatoes, all those other ingredients, peppers and triple cheese too.
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He's not going to gain much weight eating fat. He needs to load up on a ton of carbs to go along with all that fat. Jalapenos ain't gonna do squat but help it taste better.
Mashed potatoes and gravy with buttered Italian bread with a nice chuck roast. Pancakes smothered with butter and syrup and a double-side of sausage. Pasta, pasta, pasta covered in fatty sauces and cheese, lots of cheese.
I could coach him overweight in no time.
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Send him to my house...he'll gain weight...lol 
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Shouldn't Mingo have a private chef for something like this? I mean, I understand that maybe getting a pizza here and there is ok, but he needs to take this seriously, not just "get a pizza here and there."
I am beyond sure the staff has put together a diet regime, seeing that he likely eats at the facility there most of the time anyway, to follow... that includes a certain amount of calories in the form of carbs, protein and fat. Example, there is nine calories in a gram of fat, etc.
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I use to be in Mingo's shoes. I use to train, eat virtually everything including a lot of junk food and I was following a diet plan when I was 20 or 21 and training... and I couldn't gain any type of weight in the form of fat. Tried weight gainers shakes and powders, nothing. Tried to stuff myself to the point of virtually almost puking, nothing. Tried to eat lighter meals, but more meals and more often, nothing. Tried it all... my metabolism burned everything I consumed before turning it a fat storage for the body.
Mingo's true way of adding weight will mostly be in the form of raw muscle, which offseason workout program started yesterday so hopefully he's been lifting and etc beforehand and has already added some bulk muscle. I don't think this will effect his speed much either... he was listed at 240lbs, we'll see what he is come regular season...
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Shouldn't Mingo have a private chef for something like this? I mean, I understand that maybe getting a pizza here and there is ok, but he needs to take this seriously, not just "get a pizza here and there."
I am beyond sure the staff has put together a diet regime, seeing that he likely eats at the facility there most of the time anyway, to follow... that includes a certain amount of calories in the form of carbs, protein and fat. Example, there is nine calories in a gram of fat, etc.
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I use to be in Mingo's shoes. I use to train, eat virtually everything including a lot of junk food and I was following a diet plan when I was 20 or 21 and training... and I couldn't gain any type of weight in the form of fat. Tried weight gainers shakes and powders, nothing. Tried to stuff myself to the point of virtually almost puking, nothing. Tried to eat lighter meals, but more meals and more often, nothing. Tried it all... my metabolism burned everything I consumed before turning it a fat storage for the body.
Mingo's true way of adding weight will mostly be in the form of raw muscle, which offseason workout program started yesterday so hopefully he's been lifting and etc beforehand and has already added some bulk muscle. I don't think this will effect his speed much either... he was listed at 240lbs, we'll see what he is come regular season...
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He should be working with a dietician. That is the wrong way.
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A good dietitian would have him eating a pizza now and then, if his goal as a 240 lb lean person is to gain muscular bodyweight. Given his size, activity level, and presumed metabolism, he might have to eat 5k Calories a day to slowly gain weight. You're not going to get there on chicken and broccoli.
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I usually gain about 2-3 pounds when I have pizza. Comes off in a couple days.
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You and me both. Spikes like that are more about water weight fluctuations influenced by carbs and sodium.
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I think they are making a mistake by asking him to gain weight.
Anything more than 10lbs. and I agree. It's not his size, but the way he plays. It's that he needs to develop more moves and play a more physical game. Weight won't help solve that.
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He is the lightest in the ass 3-4 OLB in the league and was sidelined from a bruised lung when he..... wait, did we ever even figure out when that happened?
There are strong safeties who are buffer than he is. I'm thinking of Chancellor from Seattle.
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Clay Matthews, Terrell Suggs, DeMarcus Ware... that is where I want Mingo to be. If he can't get there, he can't get there but it shouldn't be due to a lack of trying. I'm fully on board with what Pettine and the new staff are trying to do with Mingo.
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Jason Taylor played at 244
You know, I really don't need to even get into this. Posters have listed many great LB'ers who have played at a similar weight as Mingo.
Mingo plays based on speed, not weight. So have a lot of great speed rushers. I seriously think you need to look into this a little more.
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