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Plain and simple it was reported from many people that the word from interviewies for the HC job were saying the entire Front office team seemed to be not on the same page and very dysfunctional.
Jimmy probably didn't like how the search went down and the feedback he was getting from league sources. So he cleaned house.
Lombardi pushing for McDaniels....justification for being fired right there.
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Folks make your own mind up about these next few tweets as they are from an unverified account, but this guy has been spot on and ahead of all the news reports when it comes to Browns inside info. Thought this was very interesting on the reasoning behind the Banner ousting…again draw your own conclusions. Haslam Meeting w/ Manning Manning To Haslam
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Wow. At least we know Haslam isn't afraid to stir up a bit of dust. And for some odd reason I'm OK with this. I predict it'll be much easier to re-sign Mack now. My take on Farmer is that he's a bit of a bad-ass. And I mean that in the best possible way. He's a football man, not a business man.
What we need is an open bar for a couple hours before the press conference. That would make it terribly exciting.
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Ok everybody line up... whoever liked the just disposed of FO will need to be on the I hate the new FO side of the aisle and vice versa.
The dissatisfied now become the hopeful, the once hopeful now the down and out.
This is gonna be a gas ....
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Just said the same thing to a Co-Worker. Re-Sign Mack, Franchise Ward. To move forward we cannot lose/need to replace two key positions.
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1. I think we now see why Farmer didn't take the gig in Miami. I'm betting Haslam had words with him about his future here, which is why he was quoted as saying "I'm excited about the future, yada, yada, yada".
2. Lombardi is GONE!! To use a famous quote: Ding, dong, the witch is dead!
3. Banner is gone -- Icing on the cake. Never trusted the guy, nor his abilities as a football guy. Perhaps he is the great bean counter he is reported as being, but that doesn't make for good football decisions or good talent evaluations.
Ray Farmer, come on down!! You're the next contestant on "Who's Leading the Browns??!?".
Best wishes to you Ray. At least you have the chops and credentials to lead this thing - now we get to see if you can.
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PFT & NFL Network seem to think we should be concerned that Farmer wasn't in on the Pettine interview/hire. Think it could easily mean him wanting his OWN coach next year.
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Folks make your own mind up about these next few tweets as they are from an unverified account, but this guy has been spot on and ahead of all the news reports when it comes to Browns inside info. Thought this was very interesting on the reasoning behind the Banner ousting…again draw your own conclusions.
Haslam Meeting w/ Manning
Manning To Haslam
I've come to the conclusion that CONCEDE has legit sources with the team. He's almost always spot on or close enough. There have been a few theories to who he is or at least connected to...
Follow him and Keith Britton (92.3 producer) before you follow Grossi/MKC or any other Browns reporter. Those two are far ahead with getting information.
I'm sure everyone has their guess to how this played out.
My theory is that Joe Banner was hooked up with Jimmy by the NFL and I don't know what the requirements are by that, but maybe he just never really liked the guy to begin with?
Ray Farmer gets rave reviews around the league, starts flirting with Miami, and then all of a sudden says he's staying with the Browns in an assistant role?
My guess is Jimmy told him this job is yours if you just stay put and keep quiet. It is interesting that he was down at the Senior Bowl before his Miami interview though.
JH goes to Banner and says he's getting rid of Lombardi, and JB says he wants out.
Do we even need another person to fill JB's spot. Can we just let Farmer handle personnel, and Sheiner the business side of it, and just let JH overlook it. Why go top heavy? All Joe Banner did was drive away potential coaching candidates over the last 2 years. And Richardson. I'll give him that.
It's never good to fire front office people but it seems like this may have played out as well as it could.
I just wonder how it works with our scouts now. I mean they were just hired right? Do they get shown the door?
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I love it! Now we have a hopeful future. Remember, Farmer turned down an opportunity to be Miami's GM, a decent up and coming team. It may seem bleak on the surface, but this is a blessing.
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PFT & NFL Network seem to think we should be concerned that Farmer wasn't in on the Pettine interview/hire. Think it could easily mean him wanting his OWN coach next year.
I think Pettine was a Haslam hire plain and simple.... as a result he stays as long as JH wants him. JMHO
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The purpose of these moves is to unify our team with one, unequivocal goal: Provide our fans with the winning organization they have long deserved.”
I think this statement by Haslam says it all. Sounds to me like Lombardi and Banner did not work very well together. And reading just some of the reports, their "concensus" was lacking. I like the move. Farmer is a great move for GM, and with Scheiner as President, I feel the FO will be more capable.
I also get a feeling that the upcoming draft and FA period was becoming a problem within the ranks. Banner is an egomaniac, and for all purposes, Lombardi seemed to be a missing person. Too many hands in the fire.
We have a good young coaching staff, and I feel that they need more say in process of bringing in players they need. I get the feeling that Haslam was getting tired of the dysfunction, and pulled the trigger. Some will blast him for doing it so soon, but with what happened with the firing of Chud, and the comments Norv made, I believe Haslam felt these guys were controlling things too much in areas that the staff should have had more input.
I'm sure Haslam saw what we saw last year. The questions about not picking up a QB when Hoyer went down, The not replacing Richardson, and the failure to land the coaches they wanted.
The timing is perfect as I see it. Get these two out before they screw up what we be a pivotal draft and FA period for this team. I think these guys were overstepping their bounds as far as trying to control what players the coaches wanted and who played. I really feel now, that Lombardi was just a pawn for Banner. Banner came across as if he needed no one but himself to run this team.
Many are bashing Haslam, but I don't think he is the boob many make him out to be. Banner needed to stay on the business side, and leave football operations to the GM and the coaches. I think Scheiner is a gem, and knows his part in the deal. I also think now that Farmer is the GM, and is being reported as getting along with Pettine, will make football decisions getting made quicker, and with the proper people calling the shots.
Screw the "consensus', let Farmer run the football operations and Scheiner handle the other side. Pettine has got to have more say than Chud got. Haslam, IMO, nipped this in the bud, before it steam rolled into more dysfunction.
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I am troubled by the fact that Banner will be around through May. "You're fired! Pack your bags....very slowly!" Will he be responsible for the Mack and Ward contracts?
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The purpose of these moves is to unify our team with one, unequivocal goal: Provide our fans with the winning organization they have long deserved.”
I think this statement by Haslam says it all. Sounds to me like Lombardi and Banner did not work very well together. And reading just some of the reports, their "concensus" was lacking. I like the move. Farmer is a great move for GM, and with Scheiner as President, I feel the FO will be more capable.
I also get a feeling that the upcoming draft and FA period was becoming a problem within the ranks. Banner is an egomaniac, and for all purposes, Lombardi seemed to be a missing person. Too many hands in the fire.
We have a good young coaching staff, and I feel that they need more say in process of bringing in players they need. I get the feeling that Haslam was getting tired of the dysfunction, and pulled the trigger. Some will blast him for doing it so soon, but with what happened with the firing of Chud, and the comments Norv made, I believe Haslam felt these guys were controlling things too much in areas that the staff should have had more input.
I'm sure Haslam saw what we saw last year. The questions about not picking up a QB when Hoyer went down, The not replacing Richardson, and the failure to land the coaches they wanted.
The timing is perfect as I see it. Get these two out before they screw up what we be a pivotal draft and FA period for this team. I think these guys were overstepping their bounds as far as trying to control what players the coaches wanted and who played. I really feel now, that Lombardi was just a pawn for Banner. Banner came across as if he needed no one but himself to run this team.
Many are bashing Haslam, but I don't think he is the boob many make him out to be. Banner needed to stay on the business side, and leave football operations to the GM and the coaches. I think Scheiner is a gem, and knows his part in the deal. I also think now that Farmer is the GM, and is being reported as getting along with Pettine, will make football decisions getting made quicker, and with the proper people calling the shots.
Screw the "consensus', let Farmer run the football operations and Scheiner handle the other side. Pettine has got to have more say than Chud got. Haslam, IMO, nipped this in the bud, before it steam rolled into more dysfunction.
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I cant stop smiling.....I am more pumped now than I have been for a long time.
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Wow what a mess.
Not that I am going to miss Lombardi and Banner but just tired of the constant change. It is pretty clear Jimmy is out of his element as an owner, when he can get one of the major front positions filled with someone he can trust.
Might as well just get rid of pettine now since he and Farmer aren't going to be on the same page. It might spare us from having to go through this again next year.
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I think we just typed it at the same time.
Here's a report that Lombardi was going to be out if Adam Gase had been hired. Take it for what it's worth.
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Yeah, it looks like it ,....
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I am troubled by the fact that Banner will be around through May. "You're fired! Pack your bags....very slowly!" Will he be responsible for the Mack and Ward contracts?
valid concerns... but he is a toothless leader now... I assume he can have input but not final say ..imo
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PFT & NFL Network seem to think we should be concerned that Farmer wasn't in on the Pettine interview/hire. Think it could easily mean him wanting his OWN coach next year.
I think Pettine was a Haslam hire plain and simple.... as a result he stays as long as JH wants him. JMHO
Regardless of all of that, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. For the here and now, it's his gig - if he does well, he'll get to keep the job, if he doesn't, then this scenario could play out. I'd say that Pettine is in the driver's seat.
That said, if I were him, I'd be having a conversation with Farmer about what the expectations are and by what metrics success will be measured.
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My first reaction is: I'm glad. Never felt comfortable about Banner or Lombardi. Had serious doubts about their ability to evaluate talent.
In addition, I felt Banner's reputation within the inner circle of NFL players and executives was suspect.
When the the whole Chud thing went down it was clear that the air within Berea was foul.
Professional mistrust is toxic to an organization. When Chud got axed and the search began for a new coach it was clear that something was amiss. It appeared that the guys that they wanted bailed.
Haslam had to get word from people within the league that the perception of Banner and Lombardi was not good. That ultimately it would have a negative effect on signing free agents and the draft.
Haslam has his own baggage but I give him credit for making this move now.
Ray Farmer in my opinion will be a good GM. He has come up through the ranks and earned this chance.
Now I have more faith in free agency and the draft.
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And there's probably some things that need to be finalized that you don't want to try to just hand off to someone else. The financial side of things likely needs some transition time.
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This is definitely shocking news but I think this is a big reason. Banner and Lombardi were maybe clashing with Pettine already over draft picks, our FA's or something and Haslam got fed up. Especially the part about Farmer and Pettine being on the same page. JMO
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jc Source: Haslam wanted to give the reins to FarmerPosted by Mike Florio on February 11, 2014, 11:16 AM EST On Tuesday morning, teams were going about their ordinary offseason business, engaging in meetings regarding the draft and free agency. And then came the news that Browns owner Jimmy Haslam had fired CEO Joe Banner and G.M. Mike Lombardi. In at least one NFL city, the shock brought the meetings to a halt. It’s largely unprecedented for any NFL team to engage in so much turnover in such a short time, and the abrupt nature of the decision to dump Banner and Lombardi is sparking all sorts of speculation about what happened. Per a league source, here’s what happened. Owner Jimmy Haslam decided that Lombardi had to go. Haslam also decided that assistant G.M. Ray Farmer deserved to have full control over the football operation, unfettered by Banner’s authority over the football side of the organization. So with Alec Scheiner running the business side of the organization and Farmer now in charge of the football operation, there was no need for Banner to stay. The signs of a short-fused Haslam emerged a year ago, when Haslam decided to return to his “first love” at Pilot Flying J and bounced the man Haslam had hired from PepsiCo to run the company while Haslam was focusing completely on the Browns. It was Haslam, we’re told, who decided to fire coach Rob Chudzinski after one year. And now Haslam has fired Lombardi and Banner. So, over the last 18 months, Haslam has made four key hires in his two primary businesses. And he has fired all four of them. Does that say more about the men who were hired, or about the men who hired them?
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Wow what a mess.
Not that I am going to miss Lombardi and Banner but just tired of the constant change. It is pretty clear Jimmy is out of his element as an owner, when he can get one of the major front positions filled with someone he can trust.
Might as well just get rid of pettine now since he and Farmer aren't going to be on the same page. It might spare us from having to go through this again next year.
I disagree.. I se this as haslam making this his element and putting his stamp on it.... he saw the dysfunction, the inability to get a HC, the hiring / firing, the national perception, the GM in absentia and he saw a bright up and comer in Farmer and a Great business man in Scheiner... no need to look further, pull the trigger and make it right. Give us direction, give us leadership and not tell us we will be great becaiuse I was great in Phillie.
Farmer and Pettine... Pettine was a JH hire IMO and he will stay.... I think Farmer unlike a past GM is smart enough to put a plan in and has the balls to play it out.
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I'm surprised at the negative comments.
These guys have been a DISASTER! they turned in one of the worst drafts we could imagined, they completely screwed the HC fire/hire up and they reduced the Browns organization's image to a radiactive mess.
The straw that broke the bullet proof vest for Lombanner? When some media hack sat there and called the billionaire owner a stooge. I bet you that was the first time anyone had ever said anything like that to the arrogant Haslam. And THAT was when Haslam started o look critically at the job Lombanner did.
And anyone with a critical eye could see that they absoulutely SUCKED last year.
Never mind the draft, but the in season moves were horrible. And they blamed the whole thing on Chud.
This is a good thing and I finally feel that we are on the right track.
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Posted by Mike Florio on February 11, 2014, 11:16 AM EST
On Tuesday morning, teams were going about their ordinary offseason business, engaging in meetings regarding the draft and free agency.
And then came the news that Browns owner Jimmy Haslam had fired CEO Joe Banner and G.M. Mike Lombardi. In at least one NFL city, the shock brought the meetings to a halt.
It’s largely unprecedented for any NFL team to engage in so much turnover in such a short time, and the abrupt nature of the decision to dump Banner and Lombardi is sparking all sorts of speculation about what happened.
Per a league source, here’s what happened. Owner Jimmy Haslam decided that Lombardi had to go. Haslam also decided that assistant G.M. Ray Farmer deserved to have full control over the football operation, unfettered by Banner’s authority over the football side of the organization.
So with Alec Scheiner running the business side of the organization and Farmer now in charge of the football operation, there was no need for Banner to stay.
The signs of a short-fused Haslam emerged a year ago, when Haslam decided to return to his “first love” at Pilot Flying J and bounced the man Haslam had hired from PepsiCo to run the company while Haslam was focusing completely on the Browns. It was Haslam, we’re told, who decided to fire coach Rob Chudzinski after one year. And now Haslam has fired Lombardi and Banner.
So, over the last 18 months, Haslam has made four key hires in his two primary businesses. And he has fired all four of them. Does that say more about the men who were hired, or about the men who hired them?
Very Very optimistic about this.
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I am troubled by the fact that Banner will be around through May. "You're fired! Pack your bags....very slowly!" Will he be responsible for the Mack and Ward contracts?
valid concerns... but he is a toothless leader now... I assume he can have input but not final say ..imo
I would have to think the same. Nobody ever makes this type of shift without the power transfer being immediate (hence, Farmer promoted). Banner may remain, but my guess is that it is as much a contractual issue as anything else.
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Haslam isn't going to throw Lombardi or Banner under the bus. He used them for a year to figure out where he stood. Now he doesn't think he needs them any more.
He's making it very clear as far as who's in charge. I strongly suspect he didn't get that loving from the previous front office personnel. You pay all that money for a team you expect to be in charge. He is now.
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For how chaotic it is to go firing everyone I am finding this firing pretty relieving. Fun thing to ponder for the future. Will Haslam's Tennessee ties help us land Manning as an OC in the future? That would make me happy
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For how chaotic it is to go firing everyone I am finding this firing pretty relieving.
Fun thing to ponder for the future. Will Haslam's Tennessee ties help us land Manning as an OC in the future? That would make me happy
There is clearly more to this than we are being told or will ever be told.. Speculation is running rampant, but in the end, if we win, all is forgotten..
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Fun thing to ponder for the future. Will Haslam's Tennessee ties help us land Manning as an OC in the future? That would make me happy
There is clearly more to this than we are being told or will ever be told.. Speculation is running rampant, but in the end, if we win, all is forgotten..
All forgotten?!
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First reaction: WOW!!
Second reaction: Wish I be there to watch Vers' head explode when he hears this. Let the spinning begin.......
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Surprising and yet not so surprising 
My entire beef with the firing of Chud was Huh...the FO did not do a thing in personnel to the effect that we were going all out to WIN NOW...why hold Chud accountable. I always thought the firing was a Haslam thing cause the FO added just as much to the status of us playing for the long term than win now.
1. We are keeping Banner till may to get most of the Bean counter duties done.
2. We will not be the laughing stock for the simple reason Farmer is considered one of the Brightest up n comers for GM out there. He has been here for the entire tenure of this new FO and now is the HEAD that will work hand in hand with PETTINE the HC...that is what you need. HC n GM working together and quite frankly I think Farmer is way more talented than Lombardi.
My personal fear was us losing Farmer as I thought he was the obvious to take over for Lombardi who I thought was on thin ICE.
3. We need the Bean counter and I think we got him here already.
This is Haslam's baby - he listened to the NFL probably telling him to get somebody to do it right and follow their lead. And now Haslam got mad as he stormed out of the Jets owner booth - angry he took it out on Chud and staff but there was residual effect so that all were on thin ice. Then came the search for the NEW HC...Lombardi was locked in with McDaniel we all knew that...Haslam was the lead with the Gase interest. The sparks flew I'm sure.
But too many Chefs will ruin the soup. I'm glad we have CONTINUITY in Farmer...we got our new HC. Farmer was the one sent to follow TEXAS A&M QB Farmer was the one asked to evaluate most of the other QBs. Farmer was asked to go to the Senior Bowl. To the Combine. I got more of a vibe that Farmer and Pettine can work together. Part of the failures of last season was Chud and Lombardi not working together.
Once Hoyer went down and we would need to get some success from Running the ball what did we get? Chud reportedly asked for a FB not a tough request you can get quality off the streets for that position. Lombardi refused the request and that is not how a GM and the HC works together!
Hey if Haslam is going to take over responsibility...go ahead and take it over completely. Banner I guess is going cause he new Lombardi was his puppet to pull strings. So once he was gone his GAME was gone to control all of the football as if he was the OWNER...remember he came here with the Wish to be THE OWNER without paying the Billion Dollars. He cannot burn his bridges so he is staying on to be the bean counter for FAgency of this year. Draft? Farmer was doing a darn good job and that won't change.
I don't see this as a step back - I was afraid we would lose Farmer he is the key to bring us to Relevancy. Working with Pettine. There isn't the complete turnover and transition with the FO as far as the Personnel or even the business end. We are in good hands.
I thought more so than not this was going to happen next season as we wanted to keep Farmer here and for him not to go to Miami there had to be a  deal set up as in Stick around kid your turn will come to become a namesake in making the Browns!
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