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These are the two I didn't trust. These are the two I wanted gone!
It seems the owner ended up agreeing with me. I'm glad they're gone and I'm glad Farmer is the new GM. Maybe things will finally start looking up around here.
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My opinion (since I know you guys were all waiting, eagerly, for my opinion...  First, nothing surprises me anymore. I think it says a lot when my team (and I say that like MY TEAM) goes and does something like this, and my phone is blowing up with articles and friends' texts, and my reaction is "meh". This franchise really is a joke, and I say that in a non-emotional, factual way. I was never going to be mistaken as a fan of Banner and Lombardi, but I wanted to wait and see what they could do. I certainly won't shed a tear over them getting kicked to the curb, but I can't help but shake my head over this. Now that he's no longer a Brown, I'll go back to saying Lombardi is a joke, but Banner might have been different. I wasn't a fan of his apparent ego-mania, but I think he did enough good things here to hope for him to grow into a football role (Richardson, Kruger, Bryant, Hoyer were all good FA moves, in my book, and the all-powerful Banner was in charge of that). More importantly, I'm worried about Haslam. I mean, he's the last "stooge" standing at this point. What if he's the source of all this turmoil? The part from the PFT article about how he hired some guy from PepsiCo to run Pilot for him, just to boot him a short time later when he decided to come back really caught my eye. Whatever the reason behind that situation, it reflects very poorly on Haslam. I'm worried that we have a bigger problem with Haslam than we ever did with Banner and Lombardi.
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I had a nightmare on Friday that the Browns fired Pettine and the staff because Banner and Lombardi decided they didn't like him. They followed that up by firing the next coach and appointing Shannahan as the head coach. I was so pissed off in my nightmare that Jimmy just let these two idiots continue to run the organization while everyone around the country laughed at us.
I am pretty happy right now.
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Looks like Haslam really took Marla Ridenour's advice to heart in canning Lombardi and promoting Farmer. lol
Banner is transitioning out of his position by May.
Banner to leave in May
It really isn't surprising. When Farmer rejected the Miami GM job, I knew he knew something we didn't. There is no reason not to take that job other than he thinks his situation here was better than in Miami. Which is proving to be true.
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j/c…
Looking back in hindsight on the Kyle Shanahan reports that his interview went bad and he turned off certain folks in the organization about his alleged comments on the Chud situation. Then we see reports surface that the interview went well and he is being hired. Makes me wonder if Lombardi or Banner leaked to a source Shanahan wasn't the guy and Haslam finally had enough of those two, sided with Pettine and hired Shanahan.
Just speculation on my part and seems to fit the timeline.
I think the Browns are in a much better position to be successful today than they were 24 hours ago. Good for Haslam.
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Looks like Haslam really took Marla Ridenour's advice to heart in canning Lombardi and promoting Farmer. lol
Banner is transitioning out of his position by May.
Banner to leave in May
It really isn't surprising. When Farmer rejected the Miami GM job, I knew he knew something we didn't. There is no reason not to take that job other than he thinks his situation here was better than in Miami. Which is proving to be true.
Not that I buy what they are saying, but both Haslam and Farmer denied that it was the reason that Farmer turned down Miami,'
When asked, he just said that Miami wasn't the right fit for him,
He denied he knew this change was coming.
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i guess it depends.
if pettine and Farmer slam dunk this season and beyond, then Haslam did an awesome job handling the situation in the end.
if not....well.
i just think Haslam will stop being so hands on once our HC and GM show they can handle what they need to handle.
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I watched most of Farmer's press conference and I must say that I really like the guy. He may make some mistakes but i get the feeling from him that he truly wants to make the Browns better, where as with Banner and Lombardi I always got the feeling they were more interested in making themselves look good.
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It is bittersweet leaving the Browns organization. I have thoroughly enjoyed working with Jimmy Haslam and helping him set the infrastructure for this franchise. I am proud of the talented individuals we brought in to help lead this team and feel that the Cleveland Browns are in good hands moving forward.
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Did you catch this part of JH presser:
Guy ask about the image of Browns after Chud & then this? couldn't really hear it.
JH: "last week at the OWNERs meeting" blah blah blah great place to work.
So maybe he asked around & decided "Curley & Moe must go"
I hadn't heard of meetings on NFL network, and was watching replays off & on
anyway I like the moves
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j/c Will Burge, whom seems to always have an inside info on the Browns before it's reported more widely, is reporting coaches not wanting to work under Banner is one of the contributing factors to his outing. Will Burge
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My opinion (since I know you guys were all waiting, eagerly, for my opinion...
First, nothing surprises me anymore. I think it says a lot when my team (and I say that like MY TEAM) goes and does something like this, and my phone is blowing up with articles and friends' texts, and my reaction is "meh". This franchise really is a joke, and I say that in a non-emotional, factual way.
I was never going to be mistaken as a fan of Banner and Lombardi, but I wanted to wait and see what they could do. I certainly won't shed a tear over them getting kicked to the curb, but I can't help but shake my head over this. Now that he's no longer a Brown, I'll go back to saying Lombardi is a joke, but Banner might have been different. I wasn't a fan of his apparent ego-mania, but I think he did enough good things here to hope for him to grow into a football role (Richardson, Kruger, Bryant, Hoyer were all good FA moves, in my book, and the all-powerful Banner was in charge of that).
More importantly, I'm worried about Haslam. I mean, he's the last "stooge" standing at this point. What if he's the source of all this turmoil? The part from the PFT article about how he hired some guy from PepsiCo to run Pilot for him, just to boot him a short time later when he decided to come back really caught my eye. Whatever the reason behind that situation, it reflects very poorly on Haslam.
I'm worried that we have a bigger problem with Haslam than we ever did with Banner and Lombardi.
I do not know for sure if Haslam is the final "stooge" yet or not.
I thought so when he knee jerked and fired Chud.
But now I am wondering if he kind of regrets the quick trigger?
None of us were in the inner circle that day.
Who's to say the Banner and Lombardi were not the first people in Haslams ear about who they suggested is at fault?
Lombardi wanted his guy the year before. And had a fall guy in Chud.
Banner was butting heads with Chud about personel all season.
Haslam listened to them and fired Chud.
Then came Norv. Who was like..." Mr.Haslam, What gives?"
I think that is the point when Haslam's wheels started to turn.
"Maybe I reacted too quickly?"
Farmer was on his way out the door.
He fixed that, at it seems about the same time he was texting back and forth with Manning. Coincidence?
Maybe Haslam went about things his way with nobody in his ear? Or maybe just "other people" in his ear.
And we are now at a new place.
Maybe that is what happened?
Seems he learned something in Pittsburgh.
Same power structure now.
Maybe the continuity part will come in now.
I sure hope so.
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Wow, an amazing day in Brownstown. Happy happy, joy joy....  Banner was an arrogant bean counter who thought he knew football. That's why he left Philadelphia. He didn't have total control and he wanted that. Congratulations to our new GM Ray Farmer. The upcoming draft and FA period is CRITICAL for this team to have any chance to compete. DON'T flub it up! I really believe we are in better shape today than we were yesterday. With Banners ego out of the equation, the odds of having a good draft are greatly increased. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Mike Lombardi can go back to NFL Network and Banner can crawl back under his rock....
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but I wanted to wait and see what they could do.
A very reasonable thought process except for the fact that Lombardi just doesn't have a good history with his drafts and that is sort of being kind. I mean we had no choice so the hope was he won't mess this up.
This just might be the most important FA and draft period in our recent history.
It might be good to miss the OOOPS and then fire because we waited to see what he could do. Now Farmer has a different perspective in all of this. He has been in football while Lombardi was on TV he is fresh and he is the kind of guy I want to see what he can do...not Lombardi as that was pretty scary. Actually for me personally the only solace I had was the fact that Lombardi was depending on Farmer a lot...I was like pffew when I heard Farmer was evaluating the QBs first hand, Farmer would be at the combine and Senior Bowl. He was the one I had trust in. So in that way I am happy.
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It's all gonna play out like the movie!!! But farmer doesn't look like Kevin Costner. I didn't know he was black when I turned on presser. I was like why is mike brown up there. Gonna be just like the movie besides that little tidbit!!!!
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From Cleveland Browns.com; Ray Farmer on scouting QBs.
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Will Burge, whom seems to always have an inside info on the Browns before it's reported more widely, is reporting coaches not wanting to work under Banner is one of the contributing factors to his outing.
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And I believe that. I don't believe that Banner was popular with players or potential hires. I believe that's part of the reason why we kept missing out on so many coaching candidates.
I'm just glad the circus is behind us. Now if this same process repeats itself in the next couple of years it would become an issue with Haslam. But I agree with these moves.
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From Cleveland Browns.com; Ray Farmer on scouting QBs.
We actually have a true talent evaluator looking at and making the call on FA & draft prospects, not just some guy who could remember a bunch of stats. IMHO this may eventually prove to be one of the smartest moves JH has made since he bought the team.
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Looks like Haslam really took Marla Ridenour's advice to heart in canning Lombardi and promoting Farmer. lol
Banner is transitioning out of his position by May.
Banner to leave in May
It really isn't surprising. When Farmer rejected the Miami GM job, I knew he knew something we didn't. There is no reason not to take that job other than he thinks his situation here was better than in Miami. Which is proving to be true.
Yeah, I thought something was fishy when he walked away from the Miami job. you don't just turn your back on a full GM spot so you can be part of "history" in the factory of sadness. Browns make history every year. BAD history. Now it seems clear Jimmy gave him the old wink wink nudge nudge that he would be running the show very quickly.
Happily, I think Ray Farmer is a FAR better choice at GM than the Banner/Lombardi tag team. Banner isn't a football guy. He never played, never coached, never ran the draft room until last year. He was a team executive in Philadelphia NOT the talent guy. We now have a real true GM. He may succeed, he may fail. But the chances of a quality draft this year just went up GREATLY. He will judge talent and draft accordingly. No more "money-ball" Sabermetric BS.
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My first reaction is: I'm glad. Never felt comfortable about Banner or Lombardi. Had serious doubts about their ability to evaluate talent.
In addition, I felt Banner's reputation within the inner circle of NFL players and executives was suspect.
When the the whole Chud thing went down it was clear that the air within Berea was foul.
Professional mistrust is toxic to an organization. When Chud got axed and the search began for a new coach it was clear that something was amiss. It appeared that the guys that they wanted bailed.
Haslam had to get word from people within the league that the perception of Banner and Lombardi was not good. That ultimately it would have a negative effect on signing free agents and the draft.
Haslam has his own baggage but I give him credit for making this move now.
Ray Farmer in my opinion will be a good GM. He has come up through the ranks and earned this chance.
Now I have more faith in free agency and the draft.
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I think the positive side of this is we no longer have a FO that thinks they are great, we have a FO that has a reason/desire to prove they are great.
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I am all on board with this.
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Yeah, I thought something was fishy when he walked away from the Miami job. you don't just turn your back on a full GM spot so you can be part of "history" in the factory of sadness.
The Dolphins GM job was awful. Their owner was clueless and rubbing people the wrong way. They got turned down by multiple people. I am sure that is the biggest reason why Farmer turned the job down.
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So you have no clue what you are talking about? Alec Scheiner, the President of the Cleveland Browns, is one of the most prominent people in the NFL who uses analytics.
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From Cleveland Browns.com; Ray Farmer on scouting QBs.
We actually have a true talent evaluator looking at and making the call on FA & draft prospects, not just some guy who could remember a bunch of stats. IMHO this may eventually prove to be one of the smartest move JH has made since he bought the team.
Thanks for the post. Interesting interview for sure. I'm a very happy camper we have Ray Farmer as our GM now.
Ray Farmer is now the face of the Browns organization. Lombardi was called the GM but the reality is Banner was running the show with Lombardi as his minion/yes man. Now we have a real GM with real GM duties. I couldn't be happier. As long as Haslam leaves him alone to do his job we should be in good shape for a while. Hopefully Farmer and Pettine can work TOGETHER to build a quality football team.
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I've got two thoughts on this.
1.Don't go near Jimmy when he has a hangover,wow.
2.All you guys touting Farmer,what do you know about him? That's right,nothing.He was Pro Player in KC,that title has little to nothing to do with the draft.
So,come draft day,we will again be led by rookies.You know,people that have never done it before.But because he isn't Lombardi or Banner,he must be good.
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So you have no clue what you are talking about? Alec Scheiner, the President of the Cleveland Browns, is one of the most prominent people in the NFL who uses analytics.
Great. If he wants to use analytic analysis on the business side.... that's fine. Unless he's running the draft, it's not going to affect our selection process though. I love science and mathematics. Useful tools to be sure. NOT the end all be all process for drafting NFL players however.... I'll take a good solid scouting staff and a football guy as GM any day.
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You said that wrong. He isn't Banner or Lombardi so he may be likable.
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So,come draft day,we will again be led by rookies.You know,people that have never done it before.But because he isn't Lombardi or Banner,he must be good.
Banner was a rookie last year. Ray Farmer has a lot more experience on the football side than Banner does.
Must be good? No. We don't know that as yet. Must be better than Banner/Lombardi? Not hard to imagine....
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So,come draft day,we will again be led by rookies.You know,people that have never done it before.But because he isn't Lombardi or Banner,he must be good.
Banner was a rookie last year. Ray Farmer has a lot more experience on the football side than Banner does.
Must be good? No. We don't know that as yet. Must be better than Banner/Lombardi? Not hard to imagine....
Farmer is a football guy. Banner never was. Banner was a cap guy. We all questioned the hire of him (thanks Goodell!).
Nobody is saying Farmer is going to recreate the Cowboys dynasty, I think they are all just happy because today we have a more qualified guy running the personnel side of this team. As far as drafting goes, if he lets his scouts do their jobs, and makes good decisions based on their info, they will be fine.
Farmer was getting good reviews throughout the league, from reports of other organizations loving him to the media also being very high on him. This guy was going to get a job somewhere. I think he values the fact that we have picks at 4 and 24, probably with permission to trade up, as a chance to make an impact immediately. We also have a pretty decent roster for a team that just had a front office turnover. This isn't the 2009 Browns he's inheriting...
I know the media likes to make the Browns look like complete dog crap, but I truly believe the talent is there for this team to be pretty good. Outside of one position albeit.
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Again, I'm going to screw up the wording a bit, but when asked if Banner was a "football guy" Farmer hemmed and hawed a bit too much.
It almost sounded as if he wanted to tell us the truth but he didn't want to bash banner either.
His actions and facial expressions when attempting to answer that question tells me that he didn't think that Banner was a football guy.
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You're right.I should have said he doesn't look like a weasel,nor have a sneering face custom made for radio,so he must be good.
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I heard last week this was coming, Lombardi for being an unnamed source on every leak since he joined the organization, especially leaking chud being fired during a freaking game. Banner for hiring Lombardi and also from many of the phone calls haslam had with the bigger named perspective coaching applicants. They wanted no part of Banner and Lombardi.
Then there was the attempted trading of Gordon. This from your guru talent evaluators.
forgot to add even though i heard it, i certainly didnt believe it.
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CLEV hiring former Chiefs VP of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich to assist new Browns GM Ray Farmer, per sources. They worked together in KC.
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Wow!
I am truely speechless.This is a major hire.
A great human being with an unmatched resume.
So much for having rookies running the draft.
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I am truely speechless.This is a major hire.
A great human being with an unmatched resume.
So much for having rookies running the draft.
Yeah, having a hard time believing it myself... indeed a major hire!
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The best part of this is that the "#26 pick for Mallet" rumors should end
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Generally accepted that Banner was smart with the money. Who is our cap specialist going to be...anyone?
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