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Bro you should no by now I don't go along with the crowd I post my own thoughts and feelings based on my own thoughts and information. Not anybody else's. Farmers track record with teams he was involved with is was better than Lombardi's that's what I posted and that's what i mean. I never said he was the next Ozzie I only think the record speaks for itself and we have a chance to improve with him involved in the draft while I feel we have little chance with Lombardi involved. So please feel free to point out just what BS I posted bro.
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My thought?
Dysfunction over. Jimmy stepped up and took his team today.
I know many are skeptical and with good reason but mark this date down as I'm betting it ends here.
Sure it's going to take a little time and patience on all fronts but
This day marks the real return of the Browns.
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Not sure how I feel about this. I need more time to process the information. A few quick thoughts: --I hope we still want to draft a QB at #4 or even higher. No idea what Farmer thinks of the situation. The old guys were going to draft one. --I can't say I am upset about losing either Banner or Lombardi. I supported them because I was willing to give them a chance, but they had not yet proven themselves. I did think that Banner had the resolve to be successful, but I am not upset about losing him. --I am worried that this is really late in the process to make this move. Seems like a knee-jerk reactionary type of move. --Farmer is said to be bright, but hasn't done it before. --Firing a HC after a terrible season is one thing, but firing the guys who were at the top of the FO this close to the draft sounds pretty crazy. --I'm hoping the new guys will get it done. I am starting to wonder about Haslam, though. --I need more time to think this through, but I find it hysterical that all the people who were crying about how "Haslam lied to me," and "we need continuity," and "we are the laughing stock of the NFL" are now celebrating the firing of two more guys. Hypocrisy at its finest. Well done. 
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Wow, from zero to over 200 posts in under 5 1/2 hours.. that has to be a record of some sort. I can't say I'm sad... this does kind of blow my other post stating that I just hope we have an uneventful offseason out of of the water. I guess I respect Jimmy for stepping in as he thinks he needs to, he's the owner so he's not going any where, I just hope he understands that this was his mulligan. Hiring an entire team, then a coaching staff, then firing the whole lot of them in less than 2 years is his mulligan and I can live with it.... We will never know what was behind these decisions but speculating on it is going to be fun..
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*Turns down the music an sits down my 18 pack of beer* I couldn't hear you with all the celebrating here bro. 
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This is going to turn out to be a real turning point for the Browns Organization. Banner and Lombardi were control freaks and were becoming and anchor holding the ship back. Haslam made the best move of his tenure as owner flushing these 2 from the organization.
Ray Farmer will be a great compliment to the new coach Pettine. Just reading about them they both seem like tough strong minded people and I think that will start to become a trend in this organization. Tough people like to surrond themselves with other tough people.
I have not been this excited about the Browns in a long time.
Welcome to the Mike Pettine and Ray horton era. Enjoy the ride!!!
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*Turns down the music an sits down my 18 pack of beer* I couldn't hear you with all the celebrating here bro.
Weird - isn't it? We have one guy that celebrates firing a coach after 1 season where he got not help from the front office......in fact, we were told the team was working on building for the future....but we fire the coach because of the results............and now said poster is leary about firing the gm and ceo because "they didn't get a chance........."
Actually, it's ironic.
Regardless - Haslam is making the calls. And, based on this recent history - he'd better be making the right calls, or else he'll fire himself next.
On a side note - rich people do often times have a skewed understanding of their importance. Jimmy is fitting into that mold quite well with all the firings..........this ain't pilot Jimmy. No one knew what you did at pilot, no one cared until you were found to be screwing customers on rebates. You could fire someone because they didn't meet your expectations, and everyone in the company thought "great vision Jimmy. Good move."
No, Jimmy, this is the nfl. Your every move will be scrutinized. I think this last move was good.......we'll find out.
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So, I go to the NFL website and start clicking.
The first button I hit has the NFL morning crew sitting around to tell us how and what to think about this.
They begin the segment with showing every interception Hoyer, then Weeden, then Campbell seemingly threw all season. The only break was to show a sack of Campbell.
They are all giving us their "expert" opinions while showing the most embarrassing Brown's plays they could find. All really bad, not one good.
That is how they presented it.
Those of you who understand how TV, Advertising, and programs like NLP work on the subconscious, can realize that these guys aren't our friends. Those of you who contend that Goodell set us up with Banner, etc... may actually be on to something.
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What I find hysterical is that some people think their constant judgments mean anything to anyone. Had to put you on iggy... First one ever on this board but constant derogatory & judgmental B.S. overshadows any legitimate contribution.
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Most of us here have always said that ANY respect the Browns get will have to be earned. Not by an OK season or two or three over 500 seasons but literally beating the tar out of opponents and forcing the media and or league to bite their tongues. They hate us. We are fodder for their crappy shows and comical articles on us. I don't think Pettine is a guy who likes being the Butt of jokes and after Jimmy got lumped in as the third Stooge his pride took a hit. (Not undeserved) A business owner
and more so a Southern man isn't going to take that stuff too long. I'm sure when called the third Stooge Jimmy was locked, loaded and waiting.
He admitted the NFL ownership learning curve was a tough one and I believe today he applied some of what he'd learned.
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Lol  I know one thing, I immediately go to the "published by" or "written by" section and if the name has Jason La Canfora, I instantly know to close the web page and continue on about my business. As for TV - equally as bloated and misinformed. Adam Shefter is the only person I really buy into sometimes when they report something via internet/tv.
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I thank the football gods that Haslam finally realized that putting a salary cap guy in charge of the football side of his team was a huge mistake on his part. Especially a salary cap guy with Joe Banner's reputation.
The Browns had become so toxic that the best coaches and best players didn't want to work in Cleveland with Banner in charge. Mack and TJ Ward needed to resigned and chances were good that Banner's history in Philly was about to repeat here...IOW, Banner had not changed a bit.
I'm glad both Banner and Lombardi are gone..neither were qualified to hold the positions they held.
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I am kind of bummed out about Banner leaving. I know he's not always the most popular/likable guy but he was a smart guy who did things to set up the Browns for the future. A few that pop off my head:
- The Browns have an extra pick in the 1st, 3rd, and 4th rounds. To get those picks, the Browns gave up an overhyped, injury prone RB, a 4th round pick, and a 5th round pick. I think he was aggressive in finding those types of offers and bold in saying that the Browns would build towards sustained success and then, wait for it, actually backing that up with actions. Bonus points for getting anything for a couple players who likely had no future with this team.
- It was nice to hear him talking about game theory and such. I forgot where but he went into some detail about some controversial 4th down decisions around the league which he defended (as have I, numerous times.) I wonder if any of that rubbed off on Chud, who was outstanding in that regard, or maybe if it was even part of the interview process. If that sort of stuff isn't included, it should be. It is important.
- He was known as a cap guru in Philly and that was helpful for that team's sustained success. The team was never in cap trouble and could go and had the money to splurge on free agents from time to time. A lot of talented teams did not necessarily have that luxury. Managing the cap will be even more important in the present with the new, more owner friendly CBA. You could make a case that you have already seen that manifested in relatively lackluster free agency periods.
He did other things well of course. I'm not in the building; I don't know how he is to work with or any of that sort of stuff. Hopefully the long-term and strategy considerations aren't lost on the franchise.
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Hey mac, welcome back! So it took a major event such as this to get your fingers working again? Missed your posts...at least some of them.
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Is hiring this guy a good thing. I mean the Chiefs weren't anything special. Did this guy have a hand in bringing in the talent that Reid knew how to use? Hearing that would excite me.
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I thank the football gods that Haslam finally realized that putting a salary cap guy in charge of the football side of his team was a huge mistake on his part. Especially a salary cap guy with Joe Banner's reputation.
The Browns had become so toxic that the best coaches and best players didn't want to work in Cleveland with Banner in charge. Mack and TJ Ward needed to resigned and chances were good that Banner's history in Philly was about to repeat here...IOW, Banner had not changed a bit.
I'm glad both Banner and Lombardi are gone..neither were qualified to hold the positions they held.
Welcome back, mac.
As far as Banner, I tend to agree that he had too much control. He seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way. That doesn't change what I wrote above because he did really well in those regards.
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I never wanted Lombardi here, but originally thought Banner might be good for operations. Together, I think they became toxic as a pair. I'm just glad that part of it is behind us and I'm really glad the draft picks and FA hires will be executed by Farmer, not those two.
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BB32...thank you...today is a historic event and I wouldn't want to miss it ...my fingers have been working just fine...just not here.
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thank you sir..
Banner didn't have any experience running the football side of any football team. What made it even worse, Banner did not come from a football background..he and his father ran a clothing chain before Banner was hired to help his buddy, Jeff Lurie, who bought the Eagles and hired Banner to help on the business side of the Eagles.
Banner was not qualified...neither was Lombardi...
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I don't get it. These guys went into 2013 without spending a lot of cap money, trading draft picks for the future, admitting that they couldn't fill all the holes in one offseason, fire the coach who couldn't win with less talent (I think we all can admit the Browns had less talent) and not give that coach a chance to succeed after seeing what he had to work with and then build off of it. Then fire the guys that fired him after they were responsible of collecting info on future FAs and draft picks.
Does Lombardi know enough of what his scouts and assistants want in this upcoming draft? Would he have info to sell to other teams? You know Belicheck would give him a call to get any info he can as to what talent they are looking at.
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cal...many do not know of Banner's history in Philly. I could see the train wreck coming and it was about to get much worse, had Banner and Lombardi been allowed to run the upcoming draft.
I like the guy we now have...he comes from a football background, as a players and his experience in management is on the football side. I did hear something about a management guy from KC coming into to work under Farmer...that should help.
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Maybe the love-fest with Johnny Football and the rumor we would trade into the #1 spot was the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back. 
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LIKE I SAID IN another thread...banner is a business man who fancies himself a football guru......he left philly because they wouldnt give him control over football operations...no need to when reid and heckerrt were doing a great job. His ego and arrogance couldnt handle it. So he came here with his vendetta to prove the eagles made a huge mistake, and once again it backfired in his face. I havent liked much of what haslam has done but i am very glad he finally seen banner for what he was.
slick...you pretty much nailed it...
Banner was basicly fired in Philly after losing a power struggle with Andy Reid. In early 2012, Jeff Lurie, the Eagles owner took away all of Banner's power, made him an assistant to the owner.
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Pretty sure it was a JH majority of one. Must have been a lot of blockage or frustration. Banner may have overreached? Must have been a lot building for awhile or one big blowup. I want to know more. 
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My entire beef with the firing of Chud was Huh...the FO did not do a thing in personnel to the effect that we were going all out to WIN NOW...why hold Chud accountable. I always thought the firing was a Haslam thing cause the FO added just as much to the status of us playing for the long term than win now.
1. We are keeping Banner till may to get most of the Bean counter duties done.
2. We will not be the laughing stock for the simple reason Farmer is considered one of the Brightest up n comers for GM out there. He has been here for the entire tenure of this new FO and now is the HEAD that will work hand in hand with PETTINE the HC...that is what you need. HC n GM working together and quite frankly I think Farmer is way more talented than Lombardi.
My personal fear was us losing Farmer as I thought he was the obvious to take over for Lombardi who I thought was on thin ICE.
3. We need the Bean counter and I think we got him here already.
This is Haslam's baby - he listened to the NFL probably telling him to get somebody to do it right and follow their lead. And now Haslam got mad as he stormed out of the Jets owner booth - angry he took it out on Chud and staff but there was residual effect so that all were on thin ice. Then came the search for the NEW HC...Lombardi was locked in with McDaniel we all knew that...Haslam was the lead with the Gase interest. The sparks flew I'm sure.
But too many Chefs will ruin the soup. I'm glad we have CONTINUITY in Farmer...we got our new HC. Farmer was the one sent to follow TEXAS A&M QB Farmer was the one asked to evaluate most of the other QBs. Farmer was asked to go to the Senior Bowl. To the Combine. I got more of a vibe that Farmer and Pettine can work together. Part of the failures of last season was Chud and Lombardi not working together.
Once Hoyer went down and we would need to get some success from Running the ball what did we get? Chud reportedly asked for a FB not a tough request you can get quality off the streets for that position. Lombardi refused the request and that is not how a GM and the HC works together!
Hey if Haslam is going to take over responsibility...go ahead and take it over completely. Banner I guess is going cause he new Lombardi was his puppet to pull strings. So once he was gone his GAME was gone to control all of the football as if he was the OWNER...remember he came here with the Wish to be THE OWNER without paying the Billion Dollars. He cannot burn his bridges so he is staying on to be the bean counter for FAgency of this year. Draft? Farmer was doing a darn good job and that won't change.
I don't see this as a step back - I was afraid we would lose Farmer he is the key to bring us to Relevancy. Working with Pettine. There isn't the complete turnover and transition with the FO as far as the Personnel or even the business end. We are in good hands.
I thought more so than not this was going to happen next season as we wanted to keep Farmer here and for him not to go to Miami there had to be a deal set up as in Stick around kid your turn will come to become a namesake in making the Browns!
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preach on brother eotab!!!!! you are right on about banner being a control freak and wanting to control everything as if he was the owner
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LIKE I SAID IN another thread...banner is a business man who fancies himself a football guru......he left philly because they wouldnt give him control over football operations...no need to when reid and heckerrt were doing a great job. His ego and arrogance couldnt handle it. So he came here with his vendetta to prove the eagles made a huge mistake, and once again it backfired in his face. I havent liked much of what haslam has done but i am very glad he finally seen banner for what he was.
slick...you pretty much nailed it...
Banner was basicly fired in Philly after losing a power struggle with Andy Reid. In early 2012, Jeff Lurie, the Eagles owner took away all of Banner's power, made him an assistant to the owner.
Thank you mac, now please go tell vers that because he basically told me i was a fool for thinking that. Glad to see i am not the only "fool" around here.
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Well, birds do flock together.
I was going to let it go, but you brought my name up. Your facts are off. Might want to check them again.
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I was going to let it go, but you brought my name up. Your facts are off. Might want to check them again.
 why dont you do it for me....
and i like how you said "you were going to let it go" LOLOLOLOL as if you are a boss seeing one of your employees do something they shouldn't but decide to let them slide this time. Let me be the first to thank you vers for contemplating letting me off the hook! lol wouldnt want to anger the all knowing football guru that you are. Hell...thats why you make millions running a NFL team .........right? bwaaaaaaaaaahahahahahah
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Anarchy, I think I remembered during Pettine's hiring loop that he was very impressed with Hoyer's potential and upside was major 9words to that effect. Cannot remember which Browns article I saw it in though. Gotta dig.
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cal...I honestly believe it was the firing of Chud that did Banner in.
Word I heard was Banner and Lombardi assured Haslam they could get either Josh McDanials or Adam Gase as the next HC. When both turned the job down, Haslam had to again endure the process of being turned down by other prospects...same thing that happened last year.
I'm assuming Haslam started asking around why the Browns were not a desirable place for the best coaching prospects to work and some other owners and players opened up to Haslam about how the Browns were being perceived with Banner and Lombardi in charge.
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jc http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...14-ef18991e59b5anybody who didn't watch it, thats the ray farmer presser. man, so we got a HC and a GM that look like they wanna rip peoples heads off all the time. fine with me. that dude has this command presence to him. both of those guys.
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Like that a lot! The Pettine Zoo. Good stuff that. Made me smile.
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I hope we still want to draft a QB at #4 or even higher. No idea what Farmer thinks of the situation. The old guys were going to draft one.
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I am worried that this is really late in the process to make this move.
reading this made me think about our draft situation now. where are most teams with their draft boards right now? do they pretty much have their whole board penciled in to be tweaked as the combines and pro days are going on? if that's the case how much of our draft board will change now? I mean farmer and our scouts are still here so would anything change at all? this is really all I am concerned about with this whole mess right now.
tradition can only carry you so far, then you have to start winning again.
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Thanks!
I don't think he looks like he wants to rip someone's head off, but that might be the suit talking.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
-PrplPplEater
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