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EJ Manuel wasn't exactly a world beater at QB. Liked our chances against him too.
I'm not saying we won because of Weeden, but he made some plays with Gordon. He threw some beautiful deep balls that game, where I'm not sure Hoyer would have been able to deliver those. We most probably would have won it too with Hoyer somehow, but fact remains that he made plays that won us the game and still people on here, to this day, act as if we won despite him. He sucked enough in the other games, but give the dude some credit where deserved.
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If I were a GM of another team, at most I would be looking a Weeden as a camp guy that you take zero risk on and if he sticks as a backup, great. No way I'm locking myself into it and to give up a draft pick, any draft pick, to do so would be stupid.
And every starting QB has good games lol. Brady Quinn had a monster game. Matt Flynn had a monster game. Judge the whole body of work. The fact that we're even having this conversation speaks volumes.
There seems to always be someone saying, "hey, I can work with that guy".
I would be a little shocked if someone traded for him, but then again, I wouldn't.
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I still say Weeden is our best option at QB#3. Heck we can say QB#2 even and let the rookie earn his way up. It would be cheaper to keep Weeden and cut Campbell and frankly I would rather have a Weeden start in emergency than Campbell.
Obviously I want him here but I never wish to see him play again 
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Even Tim Tebow would make a cheaper and better #3 backup QB then Weeden. Weeden wants out of here. Weed's will never be a team first type of player for us again. I don't want see him roaming the sidelines fleecing the franchise for a paycheck if he doesn't want to be here to begin with.
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If he could just minimize himself to ONE bonehead play per game, he could have some promise.
With all due respect, can't you apply that to just about anyone at any position: qb, corner, tailback, etc? The fact is, nothing will prevent Weeden from throwing the ball five feet in front of people at fastball speeds. You can't teach accuracy and that comes regardless of what spread offense, scheme, play calling, etc comes about. Size, arm strength blah blah blah, you can put a turd into a golden dixie cup and you'll have exactly that, a turd in a cup.
After all the game tape on Brandon, it just beyond (and I am not directing this comment to just you BpG) baffles me how anyone could think he could make anything of himself here, or anywhere. Some say he likely wouldn't last in the CFL and I believe it totally.
The fundamentals just aren't there, when time has been granted to show, improve and etc those. Norv, Pat all have worked with QB's, both have worked with Weeden - but it's virtually the SAME product on the field. 30+ year old who has no pocket awareness, can't help himself but stare down people and just complete lack of any football IQ
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If he could just minimize himself to ONE bonehead play per game, he could have some promise.
With all due respect, can't you apply that to just about anyone at any position: qb, corner, tailback, etc? The fact is, nothing will prevent Weeden from throwing the ball five feet in front of people at fastball speeds. You can't teach accuracy and that comes regardless of what spread offense, scheme, play calling, etc comes about. Size, arm strength blah blah blah, you can put a turd into a golden dixie cup and you'll have exactly that, a turd in a cup.
After all the game tape on Brandon, it just beyond (and I am not directing this comment to just you BpG) baffles me how anyone could think he could make anything of himself here, or anywhere. Some say he likely wouldn't last in the CFL and I believe it totally.
The fundamentals just aren't there, when time has been granted to show, improve and etc those. Norv, Pat all have worked with QB's, both have worked with Weeden - but it's virtually the SAME product on the field. 30+ year old who has no pocket awareness, can't help himself but stare down people and just complete lack of any football IQ
I agree with you, but some OC or QB Coach somewhere will say, give me a crack at him, I can make it work with him. Somebody is out there thinking about it.
Or maybe more precisely, there is a GM out there saying, I can get Weeden a former 1st round pick, and you Mr. OC need to develop him.
I guarantee you that someone is thinking it...Dumb as it sounds....LOL
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In his only backup action he chucked his way past Pettine's D like butter. Still can't believe he gets ZERO credit for that TNG. He took over down 0-10 and brought back the team TWICE.
I think Weeden played pretty well in that game but let's not get carried away...
54% completions for 197 yards isn't exactly carving somebody up like butter...
He made some plays but our first FG drive we got the ball on Buff 31... and needed a roughing call on 3rd down to put us in good FG range..
He didn't even score the points that put us ahead the first time, Travis Benjamin's punt return did...
He had 84 of his yards on 2 throws in 1 drive...
And the play that put the game away was a TJ Ward INT return for a TD.. so yea, we scored 37 points, the offense contributed 23 of that.
Overall it was a good team win, a lot of things contributed (like Tuel coming in and the Bills offense going anemic).. Weeden did what he had to do to win the game, he made some plays, more importantly he didn't really do anything to hurt us...
So I give him credit for that... but carved them up like butter? 
And the thing is.. that was the high point of his year.. 54% for 197, 1 TD and 0 INTs and a special teams and a defensive touchdown to beat a 6 win team...
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Even Tim Tebow would make a cheaper and better #3 backup QB then Weeden.
I'd be willing to wager that Weeden is on a NFL 53man depth chart in the fall while Tebow is not.
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No doubt, no doubt at all but that team oozing with confidence and the "black magic" to want to take a crack at the Weeden train of failure will 99% likely be a team that already has solidified the QB position and looking at third string options that have some experience, depending on the confidence level on player upside - then maybe a second string option.
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I'd be willing to wager that Weeden is on a NFL 53man depth chart in the fall while Tebow is not.
So? who cares. Neither will ever be a great QB. in the NFL. And besides, even Tebow got a second and third chance in the NFL So your little wager isn't that big of a deal. 
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I'd be willing to wager that Weeden is on a NFL 53man depth chart in the fall while Tebow is not.
Well I can throw a football better than Tim Tebow can, so that's not surprising. I wouldn't dare say that about Weeden. I'll give the guy credit where it's due.
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Even Tim Tebow would make a cheaper and better #3 backup QB then Weeden.
I'd be willing to wager that Weeden is on a NFL 53man depth chart in the fall while Tebow is not.
So? who cares. Neither will ever be a great QB. in the NFL. And besides, even Tebow got a second and third chance in the NFL So your little wager isn't that big of a deal.
just noting that your statement is false at least in the eyes of NFL GM's because the one you consider worse will have a job and the one you consider better will not.
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a lot of things contributed (like Tuel coming in and the Bills offense going anemic)
Actually a pretty important statement there. Pretty much why I'm saying Weeden is actually a commodity for this team as the #3. Everyone well most are looking at him as the starter. But here is a case of what most teams have out there as a Back up if a team loses their starter. Tuel, who is the back up for most teams? Weeden against those guys can possibly win. My point is Weeden is a better QB than most backups.
Speaking of backups not to change the subject. But I guy I've always liked and he always seemed to be in the wrong place at the wrong time is Josh McKown. It was no surprise to me when he had the success that he did last season with the Bears. He is a former 1st round pick. He has game. Why all the talk of Cousins isn't Josh a FA. Not that I want him...I'm fine with Hoyer, the kid we draft and #3. As long as Weeden is not a Cancer he benefits the Browns to stay here.
But if we needed some quality veteran QB...not much better out there than Josh...not his brother Luke.
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197yds over only 24 attempts is pretty good...and he only played roughly over 3 Qtrs, because, you know, he came in as a backup, so of course his overall numbers don't look fabulous.
Here's the quick recap:
- took over down 0-10
- brought them back to 10-10 (14 play, 76yd drive)
- Benjamin go ahead PR to 17-10
- then back to back TDs for BUF to 17-24
- brough them back to 24-24 (the two chuck it plays for 76yds)
- then "managed" 2 game winning FG drives (18yd completion to Gordon on 3&18)
- Ward sealed it
Maybe not like "butter", but for a guy that many think is not even a decent backup it looked quite easy...I think Bills fan would have liked Weeden over Tuel from the bench, lol
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I'd be willing to wager that Weeden is on a NFL 53man depth chart in the fall while Tebow is not.
So? who cares. Neither will ever be a great QB. in the NFL. And besides, even Tebow got a second and third chance in the NFL So your little wager isn't that big of a deal.
just noting that your statement is false at least in the eyes of NFL GM's because the one you consider worse will have a job and the one you consider better will not.
Geez I was just using Tebow as an example for a back up here in Clev as a better choice then keeping Weeden here in a reply to Tab
Weeden doesn't want to be here,,get it? He won't ever be a team first player here. Therefore here in Cleveland any ole scrub QB would probably be a better choice then keeping Weeden. Maybe I should have used Charlie Frye as the example.
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He played good enough this season to warrant backup consideration. You have to remember he is only in his second year, coming from a spread offense. If he could just minimize himself to ONE bonehead play per game, he could have some promise.
He was considered the starter for games 1 and 2. I didn't even want him for one year, much less two.
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I hate to inform you, but the train to jump the tracks.
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I agree with you, but some OC or QB Coach somewhere will say, give me a crack at him, I can make it work with him. Somebody is out there thinking about it.
Or maybe more precisely, there is a GM out there saying, I can get Weeden a former 1st round pick, and you Mr. OC need to develop him.
I guarantee you that someone is thinking it...Dumb as it sounds....LOL
You have to find out who it is and give them a call. Let them know that you've got another suitor and that you'll trade him to the highest bidder.
The only problem is if Seattle comes calling.
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Weeds believes he is a good starter in the NFL.
And he's delusional. He's not even a good back-up in the NFL. I don't think he'll even make a good starter in the CFL or even an arena league.
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j/c: Addressing a few points while reading the thread.
--Weeden might be dumb, but his agent isn't. He won't be agreeing to any "deals."
--Farmer's words were pretty damning. No way they bring Weeden back as the 3rd QB.
--No one is going to trade for Weeden. They know he is getting released. Someone will probably take a flyer on him, but they won't give up a pick.
--Some people are still defending Weeden? LOL......
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j/c: Addressing a few points while reading the thread.
--Weeden might be dumb, but his agent isn't. He won't be agreeing to any "deals."
--Farmer's words were pretty damning. No way they bring Weeden back as the 3rd QB.
--No one is going to trade for Weeden. They know he is getting released. Someone will probably take a flyer on him, but they won't give up a pick.
--Some people are still defending Weeden? LOL......
I'm pretty sure that Weeden isn't dumb.. Who ever says that is relating to his onfield play, not to his general "smarts". Whoever says he's dumb is childish. JMO
All Farmer said is that he will speak to Weeden and his agent about what is going on and that he'd allow his agent or Weeden discuss it with the press, he wouldn't. That could mean any number of things.. But, as you were kinda up leading to, he's gone..
I kinda agree with you that nobody will trade for him and I kinda don't, There are HUGE egos in the NFL, someone is thinking about it as I write this, I promise you someone is. I think they are idiots, but some OC or HC or GM is saying to himself, geez, the guys got size, he's got the arm, what the hell, let's give it a try.
So if they want him, I mean really want him, a trade will insure they get him. If they wait until he's released, then there is no guarantee they get him. I think it's unwise to trade for him, someone might do it.
Oh, I don't know anyone defending Weeden, did I miss it?
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j/c: Addressing a few points while reading the thread.
--Weeden might be dumb, but his agent isn't. He won't be agreeing to any "deals."
--Farmer's words were pretty damning. No way they bring Weeden back as the 3rd QB.
--No one is going to trade for Weeden. They know he is getting released. Someone will probably take a flyer on him, but they won't give up a pick.
--Some people are still defending Weeden? LOL......
Only one comment. If there is a team with an OC & QB coach that thinks that they can get something out of him, even as a backup QB, they might give up a late round pick for him. They wouldn't want to let him get released where he could sign with another team. It wouldn't be anything more than a sixth rounder but likely a seventh. I would actively shop him. It wouldn't matter what he or his agent wants. He doesn't have a 'no trade' clause in his contract.
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Was Colt McCoy dumb to take a pay cut, to veteran;s minimum, in order to stay with the 49ers?
Sometimes players sacrifice a little money in order to get a better opportunity. (or, at least, what they consider the best opportunity)
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I'm pretty sure that Weeden isn't dumb.. Who ever says that is relating to his onfield play, not to his general "smarts". Whoever says he's dumb is childish. JMO
What makes you say that?
Have you ever heard him speak?
The guy is a dim bulb.
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I'm pretty sure that Weeden isn't dumb.. Who ever says that is relating to his onfield play, not to his general "smarts". Whoever says he's dumb is childish. JMO
What makes you say that?
Have you ever heard him speak?
The guy is a dim bulb.
Just wondering, would it be ok with you if I expressed an opinion without comment from the peanut gallery?
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j/c: Addressing a few points while reading the thread.
--Weeden might be dumb, but his agent isn't. He won't be agreeing to any "deals."
--Farmer's words were pretty damning. No way they bring Weeden back as the 3rd QB.
--No one is going to trade for Weeden. They know he is getting released. Someone will probably take a flyer on him, but they won't give up a pick.
--Some people are still defending Weeden? LOL......
Only one comment. If there is a team with an OC & QB coach that thinks that they can get something out of him, even as a backup QB, they might give up a late round pick for him. They wouldn't want to let him get released where he could sign with another team. It wouldn't be anything more than a sixth rounder but likely a seventh. I would actively shop him. It wouldn't matter what he or his agent wants. He doesn't have a 'no trade' clause in his contract.
LOL Didn't' I just say that a few posts above.. Great Minds Anarchy LOL
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What makes you say that?
Have you ever heard him speak?
The guy is a dim bulb.
Just wondering, would it be ok with you if I expressed an opinion without comment from the peanut gallery?
You're asking if it's alright with me if you express your opinion without it being responded to?
If that's what you're looking for, I would suggest finding other avenues for expression than an internet message board.
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What makes you say that?
Have you ever heard him speak?
The guy is a dim bulb.
I'm not clear on what you are saying here.
I think most would agree his football "smarts" aren't up to par, i.e. the quarterbacking ability.
But are you saying just listening to him speak reeks of "dumb"?
Are you saying he's said a few dumb things, and you turn that into "he's just dumb"?
What, exactly, makes you think he's a "dim bulb" overall - or is it just "he's dim in football speak"?
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Yeah, you did... but we still need to find out who that person is and convince their team's GM that the move must be made and that they can't fool around and try to low ball the Browns. LOL
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I haven't added to this thread yet, though I stop by to read it.
I wonder if Weeds would have felt the same way if the FO stayed the same. Did he feel as though he had a chance with them? He should have had his bags packed when the final whistle blew in game 16. He was done here no matter what.
The only way a team makes a deal for him is if they do not want to have to compete with another team when he gets cut. And it would be a minimal deal, like Weeds and our 7th for a low 6th.
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So anyone who does not articulate well in their speech is dumb?
Maybe that's why we end up with so many stupid politicians. They speak really well but don't have much between the ears.
I've known many brilliant people that simply don't articulate well. But if you wish to judge someone based on that, more power to you.
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What makes you say that?
Have you ever heard him speak?
The guy is a dim bulb.
I'm not clear on what you are saying here.
I think most would agree his football "smarts" aren't up to par, i.e. the quarterbacking ability.
But are you saying just listening to him speak reeks of "dumb"?
Are you saying he's said a few dumb things, and you turn that into "he's just dumb"?
What, exactly, makes you think he's a "dim bulb" overall - or is it just "he's dim in football speak"?
Maybe it's just me, but I don't know how anyone can listen to the guy and not think that he's an idiot.
I'm not going to dig for links, but there's article after article where he deflects blame and subtly blames other factors for his failures.
Even if there's a truth to what he says, anyone with half a brain knows that NFL 101 states that a QB is a de facto leader and everything rests on their shoulders.
If he's not deflective blame, he's hesitant and wishy-washy. Again, most keen people will know the role they're in and act accordingly. It doesn't take a Rhodes scholar to know how to navigate interviews as a leader.
His failure to recognize that is a lack of awareness. I think his lack of decisiveness and awareness isn't limited to the football field, and it shows, given his comments in interviews.
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I wonder if Weeds would have felt the same way if the FO stayed the same. Did he feel as though he had a chance with them? He should have had his bags packed when the final whistle blew in game 16. He was done here no matter what.
The only way a team makes a deal for him is if they do not want to have to compete with another team when he gets cut. And it would be a minimal deal, like Weeds and our 7th for a low 6th.
I think that the Browns might actually take a conditional 7th rounder. That is, they trade him to a team and if he makes their roster, the Browns get the team's 7th rounder. It could have more conditions, like if he's named the starter, then it moves to a 6th. Otherwise, if he doesn't make the team, the Browns wouldn't get anything.
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To me that would be the most likely scenario if we got anything for him.
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I know coaches are full of themselves thinking that they can help everyone and anyone, but no is going to trade for a 31 year old project QB.
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If Weeden was smart he would be saying all the right things, like saying how he is ready to help the team that drafted him in the 1st round moving forward. Problem is, he cant teach a rookie an offense he himself admits is not best suited for his abilities.
I don't get Weedens competitive spirit. I don't think Weeden speaking out like this has anything to do with him wanting to start somewhere. He of all people should know that he cant come off of his 1st receiver and find another open target. The whole league knows this. If Weeden doesn't know this, then he is football dumb. If he was smart, he would find the best situation for him which is to find the best situation for him to sit the bench. I just believe that he don't want to have his family stay in a city that dawged the crap out of him for those flip passes in the papers, radio, and news. His boneheaded passes were the talk of the town. I wouldn't want my wife to be reminded of that while Im trying to make a living. I think Bill Clinton felt less heat for Monica Lewinski then Weeden did for those flips. He wouldn't admit it but if he did truly believe that he made the right play and would do it again because he "wants to make plays" then he is an idiot.
I would be happy with a 6th rounder for him, then Id rather have Kenny Guiton in the 7th. Guiton has way more mobility and was actually a better passer than Braxton. I see Belicheck selecting him like he did with Cassel. I think that would be a great pick for NE.
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Then I guess we'll be hearing about you in April when when the camps start. RIGHT
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LOL Didn't' I just say that a few posts above.. Great Minds Anarchy LOL
Yeah, you did... but we still need to find out who that person is and convince their team's GM that the move must be made and that they can't fool around and try to low ball the Browns. LOL
Here's the funny part of that, we may not have to find them, they may find us...LOL
At this point, low balling the browns is better than we get if we release him and I'm guessing everyone knows we are probably going to do just that
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I haven't added to this thread yet, though I stop by to read it.
I wonder if Weeds would have felt the same way if the FO stayed the same. Did he feel as though he had a chance with them? He should have had his bags packed when the final whistle blew in game 16. He was done here no matter what.
The only way a team makes a deal for him is if they do not want to have to compete with another team when he gets cut. And it would be a minimal deal, like Weeds and our 7th for a low 6th.
I think that the Browns might actually take a conditional 7th rounder. That is, they trade him to a team and if he makes their roster, the Browns get the team's 7th rounder. It could have more conditions, like if he's named the starter, then it moves to a 6th. Otherwise, if he doesn't make the team, the Browns wouldn't get anything.
A conditional 7th and a bucket of KFC extra crispy.. I'm in
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