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I will try to find it, but it was on the Browns board that the Browns did not have to let him go to another club. Does not matter if he was fired or not. When I got hired at a co. yrs. ago, I had to sign a agreement that if I left for any reason I could not seek employment in the same field for one year. I think he had the same thing in his contract.
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I will try to find it, but it was on the Browns board that the Browns did not have to let him go to another club. Does not matter if he was fired or not. When I got hired at a co. yrs. ago, I had to sign a agreement that if I left for any reason I could not seek employment in the same field for one year. I think he had the same thing in his contract.
It's called an anti-competition clause. I'm not sure that it's legal, but they can ask you to sign such a contract where you cannot take contact information from the company. That is, if your company is doing business with a customer, the person leaving cannot seek to take the customer information and contact them to steal that business away from the previous company.
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What makes you think that their drafts are completely different?
This should be interesting.
Maybe he's saying it because of what he mentioned. that it was perceived that Lombardi and Banner were looking for guys with a great stat line and Farmer and Pettine are looking for tough football players.
Recognizing that those two things aren't mutually exclusive, that would make it different right?
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Then some comments from Carucci.
One of the comments I keep hearing from Carrucci (and Zegura) on Cleveland Browns Daily is how much Banner was all about analytics and stats and how much Farmer is about tape and what he sees. The former guided our draft last year and the latter will guide it this year.
Now, I'm not sure how much Lombardi played a role in the analytics because, again as they have said continuously, the draft was completely under Banner's control and the "consensus" talk was essentially garbage.
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I can't find it on the Browns board. But you would have to think that if they were worried about it that they would not have let him leave. I really think The FO has a different draft perspective than the old FO. Time will tell. I don't think they will throw a hissy fit like Belichick did when he was here 
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But you would have to think that if they were worried about it that they would not have let him leave. you have to remember, there was no THEY. it was just JH. THEY left together. 
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I can't find it on the Browns board. But you would have to think that if they were worried about it that they would not have let him leave. I really think The FO has a different draft perspective than the old FO. Time will tell. I don't think they will throw a hissy fit like Belichick did when he was here
I don't think that Belichick is worried about what the Browns plan on doing. I truly don't think that Lombardi has any idea what Farmer & Co. plan on doing. Banner might have more of an idea, which is why they're probably keeping him around until after the draft.
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Banner might have more of an idea, which is why they're probably keeping him around until after the draft.
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I think that is a good point. There is no doubt that the Browns had their own "big board." Every scout contributed to it. There is little doubt that Lombardi knows who the Browns like and don't like in this draft. He also knows what positions are more important then others.
I'm not sure how much of an effect it will have on the draft, but it could be a factor. Man, the timing of the firings was so stupid.
I doubt he is going to sell the information.
I think it is pretty easy for most teams to have a good feel for who other teams might be targeting early on. It might possibly help the Pats if he sees a guy the Pats like and he knows the Browns have him as say a 5th round target letting the Pats know they need to pull the plug in round 4.
But lots has happened since then. My guess is there is a good deal of board adjustments after the combine. Target rounds might change based on performance, guys might be dropped, guys previously not on the list added.
I don't think it is going to have much impact on us.
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The NFL draft is 72 days from today...is there anyone that believes Farmer's draft board is not going to change during that period of time?
Every team's draft board changes over time...also, draft boards change depending on a players performance at the combine and pro day.
The information Lombardi had concerning the Browns draft board became obsolete when he walked out of his Berea office for the last time.
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The information Lombardi had concerning the Browns draft board became obsolete when he walked out of his Berea office for the last time.
Probably some, but perhaps not all. I would imagine it depends on how much input Farmer had into developing the board to date. Farmer won't discard the information he provided...
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Sure, it's possible it could have a small impact on some later round selection, but it isn't enough to even weigh it as a concern. I doubt the Pats will keep selecting our targeted players at the end of their round, a few selections before we planned on taking the player.
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I don't even know how much input Lombardi will have into the Pats draft. IIRC, :Lombardi was hired as an "assistant to the coaching staff".
I doubt that the Patriots draft prep changes all that much this late in the game.
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I agree. He is there because Belicheck likes him and knows he can use him heading up or assisting with various projects.
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I don't even know how much input Lombardi will have into the Pats draft. IIRC, :Lombardi was hired as an "assistant to the coaching staff".
I doubt that the Patriots draft prep changes all that much this late in the game.
Personally, I think Lombardi is only going to be there long enough to find another GM or Asst. GM job or another broadcasting job.
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Personally, I think Lombardi is only going to be there long enough to find another GM or Asst. GM job
So he'll be retiring from the Pats one day far into the future?!!!! 
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LOL at all the "reasoning" as to how there is absolutely no way this can hinder the Browns at all.
Admitting that would be akin to Haslam making a mistake and we can't have that now, can we? No sir. We need heroes and villains in our little worlds. People are either all good or all bad. Moves are either great or horrific. No middle ground. No gray areas. God forbid there could ever be a negative aspect in the firing of the evil villains.
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JC I love the fact you guys are debating Lombardi's role there. Who knew what his role was here? Farmer already been in front of the camera more than he has all last year lol. Ray's already got the proverbial "final say" on the 53, it's questionable what type of say, IF ANY, Lombardi had... I say we be thankful he's gone and off into his new role as "x" or "unknown" there in Belicheck land and let's discuss something more important. Like how much beer will cost at the stadium after all the upgrades  lol
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FWIW,
I remember having read multiple reports right after the draft that our plan B with our 1st selection was OLB Collins, the guy that was picked by the Patriots as their 1st pick at 52nd overall (!!). He was another size/speed freak with bad tape. Lombardi has a loooong history of falling for combine wonders with developmental football instincts and hating on guys that flat out produced and dominated with "overachiever" lables (JJ Watt comes to mind),
Anyway, I thought it was interesting. Maybe it was a Lombo-leak to please his godfather or maybe they just like to talk to each other about those prospects and share the same preferences. I may be in the minority, but I consider Bellichick to be a bad talent evaluator too (when it comes to College, he's pretty good at selling off his vets though for max value or take on fallen talents). Their "downfall" lately is mostly due to bad drafting (esp at WR and CB) although he got many gifts in form of high picks from Al Davis. If he didn't stumble into Brady, he probably would have gotten fired or put a real GM ahead of him by Kraft.
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Would this even be an issue if it was one of our scouts that was relieved of duties and hired elsewhere? I don't see much difference myself.
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Would this even be an issue if it was one of our scouts that was relieved of duties and hired elsewhere? I don't see much difference myself.
I fear nothing with Lombardi. He was barely here to begin with. As stated above he had a minimal role here.
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I love that you are going down with the Banner ship. It reminds me of the people who went down with the Weeden ship.
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Who were on the Weeden ship?
Django?
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Would this even be an issue if it was one of our scouts that was relieved of duties and hired elsewhere? I don't seeImuch difference myself.
I fear nothing with Lombardi. He was barely here to begin with. As stated above he had a minimal role here.
He still stuck us with Bess. And a messed up scouting report on draft prospects.
Wait, if you go back to when we picked up Bess, there was a Groundswell of approval for that pick up.
< r />Maybe there was something more to know about him that Miami didnt tell us, maybe there was something more we could have asked. But essentially, for his time in Miami, he appeared to be a solid guy. So I don't find that anyting to hold against anyone that was involved in that deal on the Browns end.
I never saw any of his scouting reports so I cant comment on the last item. In fact, Im not sure they've been made public,, so how do you know? Just asking in case I just missed it somewhere.
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I think that is a good point. There is no doubt that the Browns had their own "big board." Every scout contributed to it. There is little doubt that Lombardi knows who the Browns like and don't like in this draft. He also knows what positions are more important then others.
I'm not sure how much of an effect it will have on the draft, but it could be a factor. Man, the timing of the firings was so stupid.
The way I see it, it is obvious to anyone that Jimmy could have tied up all sorts of financial compensation to Lombardi and forced him to remain underground until after this draft. And, I believe he could have easily gotten the NFL brass to back it.
So, he had to see this coming. He had to implement some safeguards.
Didn't he?
Seeing Lombardi at the combine with the Pats. Seeing him with a binder that has pages with the orange helmet right there, visable for all the world to see, makes you wonder.
There must have been some safeguards in place. Jimmy had to pay off Lombardi's contract and probably gave him an additional severence. If there weren't any safeguards, any restrictions, then Jimmy's lawyers need to sent packing too.
I know, I know, almost all the posters on this board, on another thread explained that what we saw we really didn't see. That the Browns logo on the paper he was looking at wasn't really a Browns logo, wasn't really a scouting document, wasn't really anything of importance. Wasn't really....
Thank goodness. For a minute I thought that was a real Browns logo on a document that a recent Browns employee, had in a Patriots get together at the combine.
Usually I rely on the media to tell me what I see isn't really what I saw.
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Hahaha...
There are so many more things to get worked up over than papers in Lombardi's possession. What other posters are saying, and they could be correct, is that, just because there is a logo on a piece of paper doesn't necessarily mean one thing or another. It doesn't even mean it came from the Browns. It could just be a summary the Pats made about each team in the NFL regarding the upcoming draft.
The reason I'm not freaking out about a piece of paper, is because Mike Lombardi is the one holding it. I mean, nobody freaked out when he joined the Pats... everyone was like, "Yup, Beli hired him, just like we thought." If it is some sort of super secret document key to our draft, Lombardi probably had a hand in writing it in the first place (or at least reviewed it). If that is Browns' property, then Lombardi already knew it.
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My view was that Django played devils advocate for much of that time. For whatever reason. It sort of became obvious. I think the same is true with Vers and the old front office. One thing, people on this board don't get kudos for putting themselves out and calling the right shot. It seems to me you only are held accountable, people seem to only remember when you miss. The funny thing about them playing devils advocate is that it forces people to think and articulate their opinions. When they get ticked they dig deeper. Hypersensitivity and this board should be alien to each other. ps. EO is a HOMER!
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Django?
I was all for giving him the shot and make sure with the 2013 season. After seeing Hoyer it pretty much assured me that Weeden was very far away and it wasn't good for him but I thought the plan was to have 2013 as an evaluation period not a one n done for Chud and staff. I did and still do think Weeden was a better option than Campbell. I thought Campbell was way too cautious until it was way to late. Campbell had the one win and Weeden had the one comeback relief game. I thought Weeden learned more from Hoyer than he stated. He definitely made an obvious effort to get rid of the ball quicker.
If Weeden was 24-25...I wouldn't mind developing him now that he is here. But the fact is he is not. #3 with us - he is not expensive - let him work hard. Who knows Hoyer gets nicked up and we got to use him for a couple of games and he does well! Shhhhh - sell that baby off to the hightest bidder lol
But I would be a liar if I didn't say I was in his corner a lot longer than most dawgs!
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This fairly well sums up how I felt coming into 2013. I thought that with the progress we had seen in Weeden, plus Little getting over his dropsies at the end of 2012, plus Gordon, and plus the Norv vertical offense, that we would see a much improved Weeden if he could just keep from regressing.
Unfortuantely, he didn't. Now, could be that it's because it was yet again a new offense and he was still thinking too much, could be that more time wouldn't help more than a hill of beans. In the end, he had a shot and couldn't take it, but it was important that we took a solid look to KNOW.
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I was indeed, and I have said why I was. I wanted rid of Colt McCoy, and I also did think that Weeden could be an effective starter.
That didn't work out. Oh well. I was wrong. Time to move on.
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Do you agree with the poster who responded to me (my opinion was that there was no way Weeden put in the work necessary for him to become an elite NFL Quarterback) by saying that Weeden did everything that he could -- everything that was asked of him?
I didn't see it. I didn't see him turn one element of his game around.
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I honestly don't see what it matters.. How can the Pats affect our draft by knowing who we like? Are the Pats going to make it a point to stick it to the Browns by drafting a guy in the 2nd that the Browns had their eye on if they weren't going to draft him anyway?
Basically, as I see it, the Pats got the benefit of an extra set of eyes on the college talent and an extra opinion from the Browns scouts that Lombardi took with him, which they can choose to believe or ignore... I'm not sure how this affects much of anything.
It's not like we have this tremendous record for pulling diamonds from the rough in NFL draft... and everybody is clamoring to figure out how we do it.
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I have no idea one way or the other. I'm not going to form a definitive opinion on something nI have absolutely no knowledge of.
Maybe he did put in the work and it just wasn't good enough? Maybe he didn't and had he done it he could have done much better? Maybe he just needed more time than the Not For Long league allows for on a desperate, losing franchise.
No idea at all, and I don't see how it matters. The result is what it is.
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Hypersensitivity and this board should be alien to each other.
Well, someone gets it.
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Seeing Lombardi at the combine with the Pats. Seeing him with a binder that has pages with the orange helmet right there, visable for all the world to see, makes you wonder.
Yeah seriously, what the hell is up with that?
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Seeing Lombardi at the combine with the Pats. Seeing him with a binder that has pages with the orange helmet right there, visable for all the world to see, makes you wonder.
Yeah seriously, what the hell is up with that?
I am still not sure what the big deal is.
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Browns got what they deserved to be honest. The guy has screwed over everyone that he has ever dealt with, I dont know why Haslam thought Lombardi would be any differnt working for him.
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I am still not sure what the big deal is.
Maybe the fact that the Browns paid him for the past year to gather information for the Pats?
I'll admit that I don't know much about ML, but he was our GM until recently.
So, it seems natural for people to question that. Some people won't think it matters unless the Pats "outdraft" us this year and get high quality players that many are discussing on other threads.
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