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I would say that after the combine that Clowney had their is a pretty solid chance that the Texans take Clowney at #1 and then a QB at #33 but who knows at this point? I sure don't. Manziel, Bortles and Bridgewater all still have pro-days and it's incredibly possible that Houston falls in love with one of them enough to take him at #1. Defensive end isn't their biggest need obviously but Clowney is a RARE talent.
We might get a tell on what they're going to do if they cut or trade Matt Schaub in the coming weeks.
I'm curious to see what would happen if Houston takes Bortles at #1.
Then Tennessee, Minnesota or Oakland trades up to #2 and grabs Bridgewater or Manziel and then Jacksonville takes the last remaining QB.
Does Cleveland take Clowney? Watkins or maybe even Robinson at #4?
Not THAT crazy of a scenario...
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How is the Texans oline?
I don't know. Wondering if Robinson or Matthews might be in their thought process. If they are considering drafting a LT, then moving down becomes much more of a possibility.
It's not horrible. They recently extended Duane Brown through 2019 at LT. They could probably use a RT, but they wouldn't be forced to take one at #1 overall.
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Bradford had red flags with his injury history and that has followed him into the NFL. Cam had red flags off the field, but those have not been an issue for him.
It's a tough game,, bradford had a shoulder issue I thought, but he threw at his pro day and didn't have issues so before the draft, his question mark went away.
As for Cam,, yeah, You are 100% right. there were off field issues.
But the point is, from a pure talent standpoint, there were no questions at the time of the draft for any of those guys.
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I would say that after the combine that Clowney had their is a pretty solid change that the Texans take Clowney at #1 and then a QB at #33 but who knows at this point? I sure don't. Manziel, Bortles and Bridgewater all still have pro-days and it's incredibly possible that Houston falls in love with one of them enough to take him at #1. Defensive end isn't their biggest need obviously but Clowney is a RARE talent.
We might get a tell on what they're going to do if they cut or trade Matt Schaub in the coming weeks.
I'm curious to see what would happen if Houston takes Bortles at #1.
Then Tennessee, Minnesota or Oakland trades up to #2 and grabs Bridgewater or Manziel and then Jacksonville takes the last remaining QB.
Does Cleveland take Clowney? Watkins or maybe even Robinson at #4?
Not THAT crazy of a scenario...
Anything could happen, but if Clowney is there or either of the OTs, the Browns could safely sit pat and select any of them. The question is, if that's the scenario, what could the Browns possibly get in a trade back scenario? If they don't like the offers, they simply take whoever they want of the group. They might even take Kalil Mack at the spot. I don't know if you pass on someone that could be the next coming of Lawrence Taylor or Derrick Thomas.
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They gave up 42 sacks - OL is definitely one of their needs, though not the top one.
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It's funny how many mock drafts, especially by Nfl.com's crew - that have Texans snagging up Clowney first overall. Given the huge glaring need at QB and their virtually will to pick any of the so-called hot prospects - it's unbelievable to think that would steer away from selecting a QB. With all that said - I say they gobble up JM. 
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Thanks. I heard that the owner really like Keenum. Perhaps they feel that a strong LT is what they need to fix their offensive woes.
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Who would you take?
Teddy. No doubt about it.
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They need a QB and he is the most intelligent qb to come out in years. He reminds me of Rodgers, Luck, and Manning in regards to intelligence.
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What do you think they will do? Why?
No idea, but I feel there might be some pressure to take Manziel if they go the QB route. Their best player--JJ Watt--has campaigned for Clowney. Hard telling what they will do.
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Newton, Stafford, Eli Manning, Bradford and of course, Luck. That's 5 out of the last 10 years. All #1 picks overall. And at the time of the draft, all considered to be can't miss. Especially Manning and Bradford and of course Luck. But all were considered to be great picks. With the exception of Bradford, they pretty much have been pretty productive. Even he's been decent.
Please stick to character assassinations, because you don't have a clue in terms of how these qbs were evaluated.
Bradford: Coming off a major injury. Played in a Spread offense. Did not take snaps under center. Played in weak defensive conference.
Newton: Stole laptop in college. Cheated on academic exam. Dad tried to sell him to highest bidder in college. Lacked experience.
Manning: Here is a comment about his weakness coming out of college: " Lacks the big arm and cannot drive the ball downfield, a situation exasperated by the tendency to step out of his throws."
Stafford: Here is a report of his weaknesses from Walter football when he was coming out: "Stafford struggles with his pocket awareness and sometimes takes too many sacks because of it. His big arm gets him into trouble and causes him to be off the mark. Because of his awareness struggles he has trouble under pressure and can sometimes make big mistakes by rushing his throws."
Well, that leaves Luck. No one said he had any weaknesses. Ooopps, wait..........
"Weaknesses
Doesn't have the quickest release - displays a slight hitch and tends to pat the ball, which can give away his intentions
Arm strength, while adequate, isn't going to blow anyone away
- See more at: http://www.kffl.com/a.php/129573/nfl-dra....oA3ASU6N.dpuf"
Well, as usual..........you are dead wrong.
Every QB has question marks coming out of college. Heck, every player has question marks. It's not an exact science. Every year, some high draft picks end up being disappointing while others surprise. Your argument was misleading and uninformed at best and borders on an outright lie.
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Correct me if I'm wrong ....... but doesn't Shanahan run a version of the WCO, where accuracy and ball placement are vital?
Looking at the Redskins last year, the breakdown for RG3 went like this:
Behind LOS: 51/64, 411 yards, 1 TD
Thrown 1-10 yards 168/253, 1567 yards, 8 TD
Thrown 11-20 yards, 44/91 for 849 yards, 3 TD
Thrown 21-30, 7/29, 228 yards, 1 TD
Thrown 31-40 yards, 2/7, 62 yards, 1 TD
Thrown 41+ yards, 2/12, 86 yards, 2 TD
It looks as though we need a guy who can consistently make those smart decisions, and make shorer throws accurately and on time.
Based on what little we saw of Hoyer, he seems to have some degree of ability that fits the new offense, and so would a guy like Bridgewater. (from what I have read, and what Vers has drilled relentlessly into everyone's head) LOL
However, how does a guy like Manziel fit? Does he make quick decisions/throws, or is he a guy who needs more processing time? I haven't watched a ton on him, so I don't know. How about Bortles? Does he make quick decisions/throws, or does he struggle in this regard?
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You're right. Manzel does not fit any offense. He has to be the offense, and that will not translate to the NFL. Bortles is the best prospect of the three but I'm not sure ant of them rate as a top pick
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Another good post.
Yes, Shanny Jr. does run an updated version of the WCO. We do need to remember that he changed his offense to fit RGIII's strengths, though.
I agree w/you that Hoyer should fit in very well w/Shanny's offense.
Teddy would be a good fit, but he probably fits every offense.
Manziel probably fits [but I am not positive] a WCO better than any other, unless you are going to a Spread/Option type of hybrid. Think of him as Wilson in Seattle's offense. Rolling out, making quick reads, a lot of horizontal routes.
Bortles would be the worst fit. He doesn't read the safeties as well as the other two.
Carr? Well.......he doesn't fit anything.
Garropolla: LOL, I can't spell his name. He might be okay. Quick release.
Mettenberger. No way!!!!!
Murray: Good fit for him, but I don't trust him.
Shaw: Nah, I don't think so. He is a down the field deep passer who can run fast. Not a WCO QB.
McCarron: He has a pop gun arm. Forget it........and I don't care what the offense is.
Fales: Maybe, but his arm is weaker than I originally thought.
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If I was picking - I take Clowney.
I think Houston will take Clowney.
Why? Because he has by far the highest capacity for greatness out of any prospect. Not even close.
The question on him is motivation and desire. Luckily for Houston they have a guy called JJ Watt who is a beast on the other side who I feel will get every ounce of effort out of Clowney. It's a no-brainer.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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I hope they take Manziel, and there's a reason to think they will - to sell tickets and merchandise, and to get more national exposure. But I think they'll take Bortles.
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I hope they take Manziel...
Noooo...I want Manziel at #3 so the Jaguars can take him and leave Bridgewater for us.
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Without trading up, if the Browns were somehow on the clock with the first pick, I'd take Johnny Manziel, and move on to the next pick.
Johnny Manziel has at least a chance of being something better.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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It looks as though we need a guy who can consistently make those smart decisions, and make shorer throws accurately and on time. You do realize you just drew a picture of Teddy...The most accurate passer in this draft and that's 15 n in...he ain't that bad on the over 15 either.
Yeah if he's available Teddy is THE GUY...not even a nano second of a thought on that. I just don't see how that is remotely possible to get through everyone to us. The talking heads who talk about Geno dropping to the 2nd round...heard one the other night stating "AND Gino is better than Teddy" 
Of course a biased NY talking head...lol 
JM I like him a lot just think he'll drop cause of the height thing.
Bortles...I liken him a lot to Tannehill who what taken #7 at a Reach.
I just don't see how the #1 over all pick for a team with a BIG need at QB not taking TEDDY. Heck maybe they would trade back with us to #4 if they didn't want the QB with us taking Teddy and maybe a run on the other QBs??? They get 26 and one of our 3rd rounders. But the key is they get the player they are targeting at #4...Watkins or Robinson/Matthews?
If they do not sign somebody before the draft that means they have the door open for a trade. Or we hear reports that they are meeting with X's agent to work out a contract (but doesn't get done by the draft) but if its totally up in the air days before the draft ...I thnk the pick is available. If we truly want Teddy I say go for it! The kid is the best QB in this draft...not NFL Ready best...plain OLD BEST!
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I believe you're spot on Tab. 
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The draft can be weird.
But in the end most of the time talent rules. They pay coaches lots of money to get the best players have to give.
However, when you do not have a quarterback that need usually trumps higher graded talent.
With that said:
Bridgewater goes number one.
Clowney goes second either to the Rams or possible trade.
Jags will take a QB - Bortles most likely but Manziel is a possibility.
Browns will take Watkins. Then hope for Carr at 26 with possibility of moving up for him.
Not what I hope this will happen but I believe there is truth in the Carr rumors.
If however, Bridgewater is there at four I think the Browns take him which I am holding hope for.
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