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My biggest question is Hoyer. If Hoyer is our future we should get the best supporting cast we can get.
How can anyone, including this FO and coaching staff say that Hoyer is the answer based on two very average at best NFL starts? How silly would it be to stake your future on that if you feel you have a reasonable chance at answering the franchise QB position in the draft?
While we disagree on who that answer is, the question is no less valid.
I absolutely see your point and tend to agree, but I'm speaking to the #4 pick not to not taking a QB. If you take Sammy Watkins at #4 you make your passing game with Watkins, Gordon and Cameron elite. After #4 you take a QB to groom.
Hoyer has shown enough to know he can lead the team and make the throws. The only questions with Hoyer are durability and can he be that good QB consistently.
If you are the FO and you just don't see IT in Hoyer, then you MUST take a QB at #4. And if he is there it should be Manziel.
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I'm not as sold on Manziel as you are. For a lot of reasons. I don't put nearly as much stock in pro days as many posters do either.
His throwing motion is very inconsistent and that showed up today. Nobody can answer whether his tendency to run will be overcome. I simply don't see him as being the complete QB that some do. The system he came from leaves a lot of questions unanswered.
With the time Hoyer spent in the league with different teams and considering his play was average at best, I don't see how they could arrive at an "IT factor" based on the small sample size. If they do, I see the likelihood of failure much higher that the likelihood of success.
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yeah, that throwing motion was hectic. He has a fast release, excellent precision on his passes and more arm strenght than i imagined. He is still better than bortles or bridgewater and it shows. I watched all three pro days.
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The questions about Manziel have zero to do with his pro day. He proved in college he can throw the ball with accuracy. What is still to be determined is can he play the NFL game? Can he make pre-snap reads, post snap adjustments, make the proper read and throw the ball accurately to the right guy at the right time.
Can he protect himself and the ball? Will he tuck it and run after the first read?
Manziel is a unique guy his pro day although impressive does not reveal what kind of NFL player he will be.
Bortles to me is a mid to late 1st round pick who will need a year or more on the bench.
Bridgewater could start in his first year and is the best QB in this draft.
Carr has a really good arm but has much to prove about playing under pressure.
Garopollo has NFL tools but will need some time to adjust to the level of play in the NFL.
Manziel is the wild card in this draft. He has unique skills but will need to make changes in his game to adapt to the NFL.
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yeah, that throwing motion was hectic. He has a fast release, excellent precision on his passes and more arm strenght than i imagined. He is still better than bortles or bridgewater and it shows. I watched all three pro days.
Once again, watching pro days and watching people play the game are two different things. I've seen Bridgewater play in a pro style offense and know what he brings to the table. He is the best QB in this draft.
His career in the NFL will point that out. Many QB's have had great pro days and terrible NFL careers. This group of QB's will be no different.
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My biggest question is Hoyer. If Hoyer is our future we should get the best supporting cast we can get.
How can anyone, including this FO and coaching staff say that Hoyer is the answer based on two very average at best NFL starts? How silly would it be to stake your future on that if you feel you have a reasonable chance at answering the franchise QB position in the draft?
While we disagree on who that answer is, the question is no less valid.
How could they say it about a couple of college kids with zero NFL starts?
Seems to me, there's more info available on Hoyer. 
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Seems to me, there's more info available on Hoyer.
There is. Which is why we should draft a QB at #4.
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I thought his throws were just behind Carr in terms of velocity and thats saying something. Very good pro day, I think he showed off a strong arm and accuracy. I liked the low trajectory of his throws. He showed he could put some air underneath the bombs with accuracy but I am very impressed with how well he threw it today. I thought he changed his speed and just looked very effective in everything he did. A very strong day for Johny Football.
One more thing, he put on a proday that is more like what you expect from a private workout, showing off all the throws. Only 2 questions remain. Can he survive in the NFL and who has the nads to take him top 10?
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Hoyer: His 3-0 record as a starter deserves interest.
Eggs in one basket...No Way.
He would be classed as a BRIDGE QB. To give us some quality starts while our YOUNG drafted QB hones his craft and is ready to take on the NFL.
All this does not change a thing. Those who have him high on their board still do. Those possibly who thought he was a 3rd round pick might go back to watch film on him and reassess their evaluation.
We might have to take him at #4??? I hope the NFL is still biased on size for 1st round invested QBs - him dropping to 26 would be amazing for us. Teddy B is still my #1 but I expect him to be way gone by our #4. JM I've like for a while now. Not because of Heisman but because in the beginning of the 2013 season we sent a young Asst. GM to attend see several of his games and practices. Btw if Banner/Lombardi was hot on JM it was from the reports that came from the young asst. GM
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Haslam fires Banner and Lombardi who desperately wanted Manziel.
Farmer takes Bortles or Watkins and Manziel becomes a superstar.
Cleveland has a meltdown.
I'm not sure they disperately wanted Manziel..
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Of course EVERY pro franchise was represented at the pro day EXCEPT CLEVELAND and Chicago. GEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...Same ole same ole. Johnny Football is even better than RG3 and the Browns are going to screw it up again by not making Manziel happen. I'm telling you Manziel is the QB of this draft!
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yeah, that throwing motion was hectic. He has a fast release, excellent precision on his passes and more arm strenght than i imagined. He is still better than bortles or bridgewater and it shows. I watched all three pro days.
Arnold Palmers golf swing looked like crap too...
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Of course EVERY pro franchise was represented at the pro day EXCEPT CLEVELAND and Chicago. GEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...Same ole same ole. Johnny Football is even better than RG3 and the Browns are going to screw it up again by not making Manziel happen. I'm telling you Manziel is the QB of this draft!
Calm down, they didn't go to any Pro days. They have private workouts scheduled.
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I to was some what disturbed that we didn't have someone there !
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Of course EVERY pro franchise was represented at the pro day EXCEPT CLEVELAND and Chicago. GEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...Same ole same ole. Johnny Football is even better than RG3 and the Browns are going to screw it up again by not making Manziel happen. I'm telling you Manziel is the QB of this draft!
If you were paying any attention at all,, you'd know that the Browns aren't going to any QB's pro day. they have apparently decided that a planned/Scripted workout won't give them the information they needed.
The plan is to have each QB come in or for them to go to the player and work him out their own way.
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Here is Jaws take and more of the actual Pro Day
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I thought his throws were just behind Carr in terms of velocity and thats saying something. Very good pro day, I think he showed off a strong arm and accuracy. I liked the low trajectory of his throws. He showed he could put some air underneath the bombs with accuracy but I am very impressed with how well he threw it today. I thought he changed his speed and just looked very effective in everything he did. A very strong day for Johny Football.
One more thing, he put on a proday that is more like what you expect from a private workout, showing off all the throws. Only 2 questions remain. Can he survive in the NFL and who has the nads to take him top 10?
He is a tough kid. He can survive. There aren't going to be any, or at least many designed runs and you can coach a QB to not run, or at least not run trying to get more. It can be done. He looks like a bull rider. Those guys aren't big....except on tough.
I thought it was impressive he threw in pads and helmet. As he said, "we play in them". Have any others done that?
If we go QB, Johnny is the guy I have wanted from the start. He has the arm, he knows how to win, how to inspire teammates, and yes, he has a swagger that has been missing in Cleveland for a while. He also did it in the SEC the last two years which is as solid a proving ground for the college player as can be had. Every team in the league has multiple players with NFL type ability and a bunch more just short. It's not like he faced scrubs each and every week minus a game or two.
As for our guys not being there.....no big deal. There are private scouting services, Blesto being one. I am sure that over the years Farmer has met a few "hired" guns we may have hired to give us their scouting report. Sometimes it is valuable for a GM to have independent scouting reports from people not under his direct charge. They aren't going to say what the boss wants him to say....and that vibe can be read by team employed scouts. It also serves as a cross check so to speak. I am sure Farmer has already received, or will soon receive a detailed report from todays workout. We had somebody contracted to be our eyes.
From the little I have seen, the kid ripped it in a big way.
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Apparently, he's done a few things that weren't done before.. Pads and helmet, spoke to NFL guys prior to the workout, offered to extend the action if anyone didn't get enough info... Geez, he's serious. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000337395/article/what-we-learned-from-johnny-manziels-pro-dayGood read
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My biggest question is Hoyer. If Hoyer is our future we should get the best supporting cast we can get.
How can anyone, including this FO and coaching staff say that Hoyer is the answer based on two very average at best NFL starts? How silly would it be to stake your future on that if you feel you have a reasonable chance at answering the franchise QB position in the draft?
While we disagree on who that answer is, the question is no less valid.
How could they say it about a couple of college kids with zero NFL starts?
Seems to me, there's more info available on Hoyer.
I agree. If you want to know what you can do with an average NFL QB and a good team and a unified coaching/FO staff, look no further than the current SB Champs. There will be many that disagree but also many that agree that Russell Wilson is an average NFL QB. It was a solid team around him that makes that offense good enough to not lose. I view Wilson and Hoyer in similar light. If we roll with Hoyer, pick up Watkins, and fix the interior line; we can have similiar success going the route that Seattle has gone in recent years. The defense was not bad and I don't think changing systems will change that. We just need an offense that can sustain drives and put some points on the board.
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jc Josh Gordon thinks Browns take QB http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/106823...aft-quarterbackJosh Gordon is "pretty sure" the Cleveland Browns will select a quarterback with the fourth pick in the draft, but he's not sure which one. At the same time, the Browns' standout wide receiver, speaking on "SportsCenter" on Thursday, says the pick is "up in the air." He also quipped that asking him whom the Browns should draft first was "putting me in a position to incriminate myself." [+] EnlargeJosh Gordon John Rieger/USA TODAY Sports Receiver Josh Gordon believes the Browns will target a quarterback with the fourth pick in May's draft. "There's no telling," Gordon said. "I talked with Ray [Farmer, the team's general manager], I talked with [owner] Jimmy [Haslam]. The choice is really up in the air right now. I'm pretty sure it's a quarterback and I just really can't say which one. I'm not real sure." Gordon then talked about two quarterbacks but did not initially mention 2012 Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manziel, whose pro day at Texas A&M was Thursday. "There's plenty of guys on the list right now," Gordon said. "Blake Bortles is definitely one of those guys that just may do it for us. Teddy Bridgewater is a great talent. But there's no telling." Manziel has been the subject of much debate, with some calling him a certain first-round pick and others -- including ESPN's Merril Hoge and Ron Jaworski -- saying they would not take him in the first three rounds. Gordon later added on ESPN's "First Take" that he had dinner with Farmer recently and that free agency and quarterbacks were discussed. Though Farmer was noncommittal, Gordon said Manziel "seems to be the top guy on my list right now" and that he'd "bring a whole different dynamic" to Cleveland. In his view, Gordon believes Manziel's skills will translate to the pro game. "I think it might not be as hard as most people believe it to be, simply because of the fact we have guys like Russell Wilson now, shorter quarterbacks. You see Drew Brees doing it [also]," he said. "Johnny seems that much more mobile, if anything. He seems to elude defenders a whole lot better. "I know it's hard to tell, and there's a whole lot of mixed reviews on him. But he's bringing highlights to the game that a lot of people haven't seen in a long time. I think he'll be great for the NFL."
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We hear it year after year. C'mon man, it's just football. I don't know how it translates to the pros, but I know if a man can perform (succeed) at the top levels of college football there's no reason to think he can't play at the next level.
Every Freaking Year, we get this one prospect,/ pick, that EVERYBODY talks about, " oh, he might not be worth it" " oh he came from a division 2 school, "oh We don't know which of the two is better.
Well, I was wrong about Aaron Rogers, He actually was pretty good.
A llot of folks were wrong about Randy Moss, he actually was pretty good.
At least one of Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf actually was pretty good.
People saying... Manziel,, Oh he can't have roll out of the pocket plays like that in the NFL.
Micheal Vick did, Robert Griffin the Third did.
And who is Johnny Manziel kind of like? That actually played in the NFL and had some success.
Well I think, he's a better, more refined version of Jeff Blake. Who? Jeff Blake was a quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals and later the Lions I think, from around 1997-2001 and had probably around a 40% winning percentage.
But I think Johnny Manziel, with that "type" of game, can have Peyton Manning type of success, because he is better, and more refined, in that style.
Joh Nee, Joh Nee, JOH NEE! 
I'd take the guy 1st overall, and not look back. Done deal, no 2nd thoughts, let's go, next team, next pick, how long until # 26 rolls around.
Don't get caught up in trying to have the perfect freaking pick!
Hey nobody on this board, consensously, wanted Joe Haden, that year over what's his name at safety, who went to the Chiefs, I think.
You can pass on Johnny Manziel, and he will pass on you! He's going to play on one of these 32 teams, It might as well be yours!
It should come down to, Could this guy have a role on your team, could he get it done. Not about, if this guy is the perfect pick at the perfect time, or if this guy happens to be a rookie.
Just find a good guy, Sign him, develop him, and resign him. See how it works out.
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He also seems to not fill needs in FA in order to keep other teams guessing as to what he'd do in the draft
He has it all bass ackwards, the definition of outsmarting at work...
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Eric Berry?
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anyone have a link to his pro day video?
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anyone have a link to his pro day video?
Here is Jaws take and more of the actual Pro Day
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Good video!
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I didn't watch the Pro Day. Those don't mean very much to me.
I am watching the Gruden/Johnny show now. He is pretty impressive. He is not as smart as Teddy on the board. Not even close, but he is smarter than the other QBs I have seen.
Man, the dude has huge hands and feet. Bet the girls love that. LOL
Johnny has something about him. He is going to have to get smarter w/his decision making, but you don't want to tame him too much, because his improvising is probably the key to his success.
I am still convinced that if these two are available, we should draft Teddy [top choice] and Manziel [if Teddy isn't available.] Screw everyone else.
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What a great opportunity to take JM at #4 ( if he's still there) and let him sit to hone his skills. I was already warming up to the idea, and I have no doubt in my mind he has the drive to be successful. My take on being short is Russel Wilson at the next level, He has always been short and knows how to evade the rush & throw the ball naturally between & over defenders. What impresses me most of RW is his ability to not take the big hit. I see no hesitation to say JM will do the same on the next level. This is a spark the Browns could really use if they handle the pressure of starting Johnny Football to let him learn from Hoyer. I am now full on board, Johnny!
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If you are the FO and you just don't see IT in Hoyer, then you MUST take a QB at #4. And if he is there it should be Manziel.
So you have concerns about Hoyers durability, but think tiny Johnny who's a run first QB will easily survive? Mike Vick is a LOT bigger than JM and he can't stay healthy running around. RG3 is huge by comparison and he couldn't survive his rookie season. The ONLY way a guy like JM can survive is stay in the pocket and get rid of the ball FAST. One good hit and he's done. That's one of the things that worries me about Bridgewater too. We play in a ROUGH division. QB's take a beating. Would be nice to think a player we take at #4 can survive his rookie year.
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What a great opportunity to take JM at #4 ( if he's still there) and let him sit to hone his skills.
Sure. Hell, lets sit all our rookies. Not like we need players from the draft to produce anytime soon. Let them all sit a couple years and hone their skills. Just as long as winning isn't important this season. We can afford to wait a few years to win. And any player other than Johnny we would have taken at #4 wouldn't help us this year anyway..... 
You want Hoyer to start? Then give him some tools to work with to succeed. A WR to go with Gordon. Or an offensive lineman to block for him. Or even build a stronger Defense so he isn't playing from behind all the time. But if you spend #4 on a QB? He IS the man. The very second the card is in, he becomes the face of the franchise. He's the future of the team. And Hoyer is nothing but a backup/place holder. You do not spend #4 on a guy you intend to sit for year after year. And if you do, you're not going to be around for long.
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I think that's exactly the decision the FO has to make.
If they believe Hoyer can be a starter in this league, then you take the BPA at #4, and draft a QB later to develop.
If not you have to get the QB now, and might as well let him start. Because we ain't got Bret Favre or Drew Brees here to let them sit for more than a year...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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