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So, if they can't reach a deal with their left tackle, they're going to target our center?
Is that the general thought behind that story??
Can somebody explain how that makes any sense at all?
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They want to spend money on upgrading their OL. Also, Baltimore has no reason to not want Cleveland to have to pay more, so could just be an agreement to not deny the story... especially if Monroe is a done deal.
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yeah that was the same question i had... Mack signed for a LT leaving? What have I missed, so maybe we should sign Mack to $10 and trade JT ?  , Ok I dont know how to use purple.
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Agent speak imho or Ozzie trying to make Farmer nervous. Don't call the bluff Ray, you played that hand perfectly. Mack's agent will come begging sometime this week to get the final deal we offered....if he's too proud or if Mack really wants to leave, he'll sign the one year tender. I'd look to trade Mack then if he doesn't want to talk extension, at least get some value back...
OK, without poison pills, and with the Browns having far, far more cap space than the Ravens have ...... how could they possibly structure a deal that the Browns couldn't/wouldn't want to match?
The Ravens have half the cap space we have.Unless there was an illegal poison pill, I see no way to structure a deal that the Browns could not match. Maybe the Ravens offer Mack a deal that he could opt out of next season if he chose, but that would carry a risk for the Ravens as well, if Mack decided that he didn't like the team/scheme/coaches once he got there. Any clause like that could smack the team signing the contract just as easily as it could the player's original team. Those types of provisions require an awful lot of trust ..... and who has that much trust in sports these days?
The Ravens can't out bid us for Mack, but what they can do is pay him more than we want to pay and that may stop us from retaining him.
But the down side for the Ravens is that they are then stuck with that salary number. And that's why they most likely won't try that. Ozzie is too smart to get himself in that trap.
Other teams GM's I'm not too sure about.
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If the highest paid center is/was $8m/yr and we're already willing to pay Mack $10-something, a team would have to come along and blow that number by a good amount to get us to not match the deal. But then that team just signed a center to a ~$12m/year deal for 4-6 years. That would be stupid on their part.
Like others have said, if they really want Mack, just wait a year.
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Other teams GM's I'm not too sure about.
If the highest paid center is/was $8m/yr and we're already willing to pay Mack $10-something, a team would have to come along and blow that number by a good amount to get us to not match the deal. But then that team just signed a center to a ~$12m/year deal for 4-6 years. That would be stupid on their part.
Like others have said, if they really want Mack, just wait a year.
We've agreed to pay him 10 Million for ONE YEAR. that's a lot different than 10 or more a year for 5 years.
But this could be part of the thinking that Farmer was talking about in his video interview from the main Site.
He made a comment something like players that used to be worth 4-5-6 million are not getting 6-7-8 million,
So maybe the new Center number is 9-10-11 million....I don't know.
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This was a stupid, cheap-ass mistake from the word go.
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And I'd say the odds are against an offer for Mack. But you never know.
This was a stupid, cheap-ass mistake from the word go.
What was?
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This was a stupid, cheap-ass mistake from the word go.
What was? Mack not signing us and instead trying to test the market?
That's gotta be what you mean, because what the Browns did was pretty good. All that is happening right now is that his agent is simply trying to get somebody - anybody - to bite and make an offer. If he can't do that, he can't push his client's value up any and he loses all leverage. The market sets Mack's value by not talking to him.
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We're likely losing him the the Rats in a deal we won't match and we're going to get nothing in return. Mack will not be a Brown this season, we end up with squat and it'll be the FO outsmarting themselves, yet again.
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I know I'm not the brightest bulb in the box, but...wow. Where do you come up with this stuff? The Browns are in the drivers seat on this one.
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We're likely losing him the the Rats in a deal we won't match and we're going to get nothing in return. Mack will not be a Brown this season, we end up with squat and it'll be the FO outsmarting themselves, yet again.
well, the rumor from Baltimore was that they would try to get Mack if they couldn't re-sign Monroe, then they immediately put our sources that they were imminently close to signing Monroe.
it appears that false rumor was a bit of gamesmanship. put some pressure on Eugene's agent to sign that last offer while also putting a little push on a division rival about a RFA that noone is likely to give an offer.
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Yes the deal depends on Monroe, but that could easily fall apart. Guess we'll see. Mack's agent seems awfully confident that he can structure a deal, (with whichever team) that we'll be unable to match.
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We're likely losing him the the Rats in a deal we won't match and we're going to get nothing in return. Mack will not be a Brown this season, we end up with squat and it'll be the FO outsmarting themselves, yet again.
There isn't even any smoke where you're yelling fire, bro.
Yes, his agent CAN write a deal the Browns won't match, but it'd take such HUGE numbers that nobody is going to do it. This is nothing more than the agent attempting to get ANY of the 31 GM's out there to listen to him, because as long as they think the Browns can match anything, they aren't going to bother talking about Mack.
It's just the agent using the media to drum up business, and I wouldn't be surprised if the story on the Ravens being interested was actually floated by his agent. I mean, it's more than a little coincidental that there is suddenly a rumor involving a division rival.
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Mack's agent seems awfully confident that he can structure a deal, (with whichever team) that we'll be unable to match.
Because he HAS to sound that way. If HE doesn't believe it, what GM will? If none of them do, nobody will take his calls.
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This was a stupid, cheap-ass mistake from the word go.
What was? Mack not signing us and instead trying to test the market?
That's gotta be what you mean, because what the Browns did was pretty good. All that is happening right now is that his agent is simply trying to get somebody - anybody - to bite and make an offer. If he can't do that, he can't push his client's value up any and he loses all leverage. The market sets Mack's value by not talking to him.
That about sums it up.. Possibly in this particular situation, it was the smartest way to go.
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Yes the deal depends on Monroe, but that could easily fall apart. Guess we'll see. Mack's agent seems awfully confident that he can structure a deal, (with whichever team) that we'll be unable to match.
Why would you believe ANYTHING an agent says? Nah... let's just cool our heels and see what happens.
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I hope you're right, I really do. If we lose him in that scenario, that is a huge blunder. I find it fairly ridiculous a long term deal wasn't put in place last year, that we even got to this point with him. Flip side of the coin, if he really doesn't want to be here, so long.
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Yes the deal depends on Monroe, but that could easily fall apart. Guess we'll see. Mack's agent seems awfully confident that he can structure a deal, (with whichever team) that we'll be unable to match.
And if that happens, his agent still needs to "CRAFT" a deal that the Browns won't match.
I don't believe there is such a deal that the Browns would pass on and that the Ravens could live with. (Not a legitimate deal anyway)
So, I suspect he'll be here for at least one year more..
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I hope you're right, I really do. If we lose him in that scenario, that is a huge blunder. I find it fairly ridiculous a long term deal wasn't put in place last year, that we even got to this point with him. Flip side of the coin, if he really doesn't want to be here, so long.
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I hope you're right, I really do. If we lose him in that scenario, that is a huge blunder. I find it fairly ridiculous a long term deal wasn't put in place last year, that we even got to this point with him. Flip side of the coin, if he really doesn't want to be here, so long.
Think about it- he sat across the table from Banner & Lombardi last year, then tabled the talks to focus on football during the season. Ridiculous? Perhaps... but it IS B&L we're talking about here. Who knows how those talks went/meandered?
End of the season: NO B&L to negotiate with. Now, it's up to Farmer & co. to draw up the deal. Maybe not starting from scratch, but certainly a brand new dynamic in place.
I'm really not surprised at how things have shaken out.
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Two things:
1) we can not lay the deal not made last year on Farmer's lap
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2) Why in the hick would the rats pay some huge amount to a center to replace a LT?
what am I missing?
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what am I missing?
The same thing I am I suppose.
They're still going to have to pay a LT and that won't be cheap. For some reason I just don't see them investing LT money on a C when they will still have to find and sign a LT.
I'm going with PPE's theory. Agent speak.
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2) Why in the hick would the rats pay some huge amount to a center to replace a LT?
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The same thing I am I suppose.
They're still going to have to pay a LT and that won't be cheap. For some reason I just don't see them investing LT money on a C when they will still have to find and sign a LT.
I'm going with PPE's theory. Agent speak.
I would think they are going to draft a LT or a C. depend on FA witch?
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Well they re-signed Monroe. So it is now a moot point.
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So Mr Demoff, where is that "big, un-matchable" contract?
We will find out soon if Mack really wants to stay or was just trying to be nice. We're the only dancing partner. Farmer played this hand perfectly so far
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So Mr Demoff, where is that "big, un-matchable" contract?
We will find out soon if Mack really wants to stay or was just trying to be nice. We're the only dancing partner. Farmer played this hand perfectly so far
so far Oakland had $60mil in cap room and all they have done is downgrade at LT and re-sign the wrong RB.
here comes a $20mil/year contract to bring Mack back to the Bay!!!! 
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I'm pretty sure that Mack didn't want to have anything to do with the Browns after they fired Chud. There was a little turn around when we had Pettine, Kyle n new OL coach go out west to have a sit down with him. It was at that point he started thinking about possibly being a Brown again. Its a long hard road to turn this player resentment to the lack of continuity displayed by us. But slowly we will turn it around if we can get by this season. If Mack Signs with us long term a huge victory in that turn around. Getting a Whitner who loves the Browns and will be that veteran leadership to get them to love the team again.
Right now repairing the damage. Mack will be a big part of that if we sign him. If not...we've had worse befall us. 
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They'd be stupid enough to pull that off, even with an AllPro (their only now) at center JAX has the money and need though...but if he prefers to play for a lousy team with no fans....at least the Browns have fans 
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yeah, I am very positive that all the agent talk was bluster and with the huge amount of signings today they are having a quiet dinner tonight to discuss their potential options from here. I wouldn't be surprised to see him eventually just sign the tag contract.
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We're likely losing him the the Rats in a deal we won't match and we're going to get nothing in return. Mack will not be a Brown this season, we end up with squat and it'll be the FO outsmarting themselves, yet again.
There isn't even any smoke where you're yelling fire, bro.
Yes, his agent CAN write a deal the Browns won't match, but it'd take such HUGE numbers that nobody is going to do it. This is nothing more than the agent attempting to get ANY of the 31 GM's out there to listen to him, because as long as they think the Browns can match anything, they aren't going to bother talking about Mack.
It's just the agent using the media to drum up business, and I wouldn't be surprised if the story on the Ravens being interested was actually floated by his agent. I mean, it's more than a little coincidental that there is suddenly a rumor involving a division rival.
I agree. It's the agent doing his job for his client. It's what he is paid to do.
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after watching lava get 4 mil a year and then ward 5.5? I have no idea what anyone is worth lol.
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And I'd say the odds are against an offer for Mack. But you never know.
This was a stupid, cheap-ass mistake from the word go.
Correct me if I'm wrong ....... but if we use the franchise tag on Mack, and then he signs a deal elsewhere that we match, then we cannot use the franchise tag for the remainder of that contract. Correct?
Now I don't know what value the Browns place on Mack, but if it were a team that is always buried at the bottom of the 1st round, like the Patriots, then maybe grabbing 2 1st round picks from them in exchange for Mack wouldn't be all that appealing (essentially, almost 2 2nd round picks) ...... yet if they matched him instead, then they would no longer have the franchise designation to use for Haden next year.
If we lose the transition tag for 4 years, not as big a deal.
Just throwing out a slightly different perspective on things.
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I hope you're right, I really do. If we lose him in that scenario, that is a huge blunder. I find it fairly ridiculous a long term deal wasn't put in place last year, that we even got to this point with him. Flip side of the coin, if he really doesn't want to be here, so long.
Think about it- he sat across the table from Banner & Lombardi last year, then tabled the talks to focus on football during the season. Ridiculous? Perhaps... but it IS B&L we're talking about here. Who knows how those talks went/meandered?
End of the season: NO B&L to negotiate with. Now, it's up to Farmer & co. to draw up the deal. Maybe not starting from scratch, but certainly a brand new dynamic in place.
I'm really not surprised at how things have shaken out.
I expect this from several posters, but from you................????
Will you please stop making up wild speculations that are not factual and simply fit an agenda? Please.
They are gone. Let it go and quit making crap up.
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Will you please stop making up wild speculations that are not factual and simply fit an agenda? Please.
They are gone. Let it go and quit making crap up.
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End of the season: NO B&L to negotiate with. Now, it's up to Farmer & co. to draw up the deal. Maybe not starting from scratch, but certainly a brand new dynamic in place.
I'm really not surprised at how things have shaken out.
You really need to stop with the defense of Banner and Lombardi. They are both gone. Most have no problem with that. Even the ones that do aren't the drama queen that you are every time their names are mentioned in anything less than glowing terms.
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I'm glad you got what I was saying in that post.
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Couldn't the Ravens structure a deal that states if Mack plays 6 or more games in Cleveland then he is due a huge bonus? Not trying to be a smarta$$, I really don't know.
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Couldn't the Ravens structure a deal that states if Mack plays 6 or more games in Cleveland then he is due a huge bonus? Not trying to be a smarta$$, I really don't know.
I believe that is the "poison pill" that has been eliminated.
So, no...they cannot do that.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
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No they removed those "poison pills" from contracts after the Vikings did something similiar tio that
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