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And depending on how SF feels about his health, the team has Lattimore....
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ahhh... #40 would have been a better choice.
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I love guys like Finnegan. I would be excited to see him in a Browns uni. I am of the opinion that we need more guys like that on our team, not less.
BpG, I like Fininigan too, but he is done. He was already slow but learn to deal with it. Age and wear and tear has taken its toll he lost a step. Fininigan was Jeff Fishers's guy in Tennessee and brought to St. Louis. He had a good first year. Second year he couldn't play well enough to take the field.
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jc Among teams believed to have interest in Matt Schaub if (when) he gets released by #Texans: #Browns and #Raiders. #Jets if they cut Sanchez https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/442359419410468864I think Schaub is over-hated in Houston and his rep around the league. Would not mind him, if we still draft a QB.
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I think Schaub is over-hated in Houston and his rep around the league. Would not mind him, if we still draft a QB.
Would be a great move if we are not planning to take a QB at 4 (I would despite having a 3QB QB-battle in training camp).
Schaub has been in this system before, and was really effective in it - so he'd be great to have (and probably pretty cheap).
Schaub/Hoyer can battle for the starting job in training camp (I think Schaub would win, but we'll see). The other is QB2, and we can bring in a guy like Garapolo to be QB3.
Maybe not optimal -- but if you don't think there's a sure-fire stud at #4, then its better than just wasting a pick on a player who doesn't exist.
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I don't see the point in signing Schaub. We already have Hoyer who is younger and we need to find out what he can do. We also need to draft a QB.
People are just connecting the dots between Schaub and Shanhan.
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The move is not at all surprising. Joseph, 30, had a rough 2013 season as he tried to come back from a 2012 season cut short by a major knee injury. He had two career Pro Bowl berths and had been with the Bucs since 2006.
But money might have been the overriding factor. Joseph had been scheduled to count $6 million against this year's salary cap. By releasing him, the Bucs saved the entire $6 million. Tampa Bay now has more than $24 million in salary cap room heading into the start of free agency.
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Colledge would be excellent signing..he'd be an upgrade at LG...he moves well as he used to play LT.. think he was rated very highly on Pro Football rankings 2 years ago...didn't see a single Cards game this so couldn't tell you...he'll probably be relatively cheap...As far as Joseph would def. Need a full medical eval...he should be better this year with a full year away from the injury...unless something hasn't healed right...if medically cleared he could be a boost 
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I think this is a guy the Browns maybe able to target and get relatively cheap. This Cromartie, opposed to DRC, knows the defense and had a injured plagued year last year which will probably depress his market value a bit. Could be a nice option to team with Haden and move Skrine to the 3rd WR.
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It was written by author Nicholas Dawidoff in a way that makes the reader feel like the “Hard Knocks” cameras never left.
Pettine once referred to Cromartie’s uneven play as “good Cro” and “bad Cro” in a press conference, and Cromartie took exception to Pettine’s critiques of his inconsistent effort. Cromartie complained about Pettine’s sarcastic demeanor.
“When Pettine chided him, Cro said, ‘Shut up,’” according to the book. “Then he said, ‘[F---] you.’ Pettine told him quietly, ‘Don’t lose your cool. We’re all in this together.’
“As soon as Pettine left and the defense split into positional units, Cro said loudly that Pettine was ‘a high-school coach’ and declared he wasn’t ‘gonna take it’ from him.”
Dennis Thurman, then the secondary coach and now the defensive coordinator, urged Cromartie to speak with Pettine privately.
“If I talk to him, I’ll punch him in the face,” Cromartie said, according to the book.
Former Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis added levity to the situation when he raised his hand and declared that he wanted to play receiver.
The author, who was given a security code, a desk in the scouting department, and a locker as part of his all-access agreement with the team, wrote that Pettine and Cromartie eventually met and talked things over.
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Brady Quinn and Jimmy Claussen are still in the NFL. I think that Campbell is head and shoulders better than either one of them.
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Weeden and Jason need to pack their gear and exit at the same time. Both of them need to go bye-bye as there isn't more than a gram of hope/trust to disperse to either of them. Only fruit I see worth nibbling on is using Jason's mentor/veteran role to aide the new guys.
On the field, playing in games... yeah, both have worn out their welcome in that regards IMO.
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Weeden and Jason need to pack their gear and exit at the same time. Both of them need to go bye-bye as there isn't more than a gram of hope/trust to disperse to either of them. Only fruit I see worth nibbling on is using Jason's mentor/veteran role to aide the new guys.
On the field, playing in games... yeah, both have worn out their welcome in that regards IMO.
Campbell is gone by Thursday. From what i read, Shannahan is big on bringing in Rex Grossman.. Make a lot of sense to me. The guy knows his role and he knows the system. He also still has some game, so if we had to play him we might pull out a game or two.
As for Weeden, I don't see any real pressing need to get rid of him at this point. Maybe something clicks and he shows value on the field. More on point to keep him, you never know if a QB on another team gets hurt in camp. Weeden might be a guy we can trade for a 5th rounder.
I don't see how cutting him at this point is in the best interest of the team.
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I don't see how cutting him at this point is in the best interest of the team.
I dig Grossman coming here. I actually am a supporter of that move!
As for Weeden, fulfilling the 53 man roster with people that can actually play at their respected positions is in the best interest of the team. He can't even contribute on special teams, he's basically a highly paid clipboard holder and signal caller. There is benefits from cutting him cause no team will trade for him in any fashion so either or, we'll be playing him to basically (well HOPEFULLY) not play for us so just get him outta here and have an open roster spot for someone more important that can contribute, like a punter lol! No way he helps in aiding the development of anyone cause he himself cannot even listen to what coaches and etc are saying and improve 
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I don't disagree he will be challenged to make the team as he is. All I am saying is there is no reason to cut him now. If he can't make the team, do it in August. We won't save any, or much money by letting him go now.
Like I said, maybe someone gets hurt and we can trade him. I'd rather get a 7th rounder for the guy then simply cut him, and the only way for that possibility to happen is to keep him around for a few more months.
Plus, would it upset you terribly if the new coaches actually see some value in the guy and want to keep him? It wouldn't bother me.
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Weeden and Jason need to pack their gear and exit at the same time. Both of them need to go bye-bye as there isn't more than a gram of hope/trust to disperse to either of them. Only fruit I see worth nibbling on is using Jason's mentor/veteran role to aide the new guys.
On the field, playing in games... yeah, both have worn out their welcome in that regards IMO.
Campbell is gone by Thursday. From what i read, Shannahan is big on bringing in Rex Grossman.. Make a lot of sense to me. The guy knows his role and he knows the system. He also still has some game, so if we had to play him we might pull out a game or two.
As for Weeden, I don't see any real pressing need to get rid of him at this point. Maybe something clicks and he shows value on the field. More on point to keep him, you never know if a QB on another team gets hurt in camp. Weeden might be a guy we can trade for a 5th rounder.
I don't see how cutting him at this point is in the best interest of the team.
Well, I think it's a safe bet we'll bring in a QB from the draft. If they happen also to bring in Grossman, that would mean 4 QB's.
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And we aren't going to keep all 4 of them but there is no harm in going into camp with 4 of them..
Hoyer, Grossman, Weeden, high draft pick... I can live with that, with Weeden knowing he is more than likely the odd man out but it might give him some reps in a preseason game or two to show if he's improved... maybe, as Peen said, somebody will get stuck with an injury or something and offer us a 5th for him.
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I don't see any real downside in having 4 qbs headed in to camp. I don't buy the whole reps thing. The coaches will get the reps to the guys who deserve them. I don't think it is all that abnormal for a team to go in to camp with 4 QBs. I am not going to research it, but I'd bet we have done that several times over the last 15 years.
Look, I am not pimping Weeden. So far, his career stinks. All I am saying is there is no downside to keeping him a while longer. Cutting him takes away all chances of him showing he has gotten better(small chance of that IMO) or takes away a possible trade....still a small chance, but better than just cutting him.
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And we aren't going to keep all 4 of them but there is no harm in going into camp with 4 of them..
Hoyer, Grossman, Weeden, high draft pick... I can live with that, with Weeden knowing he is more than likely the odd man out but it might give him some reps in a preseason game or two to show if he's improved... maybe, as Peen said, somebody will get stuck with an injury or something and offer us a 5th for him.
Yeah,, I guess I could as well.. The only thing I don't want to see is that there aren't enough reps to go around to properly evaluate everyone.
But, 1 cut and it's all better..LOL
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I don't either because we are going to have WRs, TEs, RBs who are down on the depth chart who need reps too.. somebody is going to have to work with them.... I doubt Weeden would spend a lot of time throwing to Gordon and Cameron if we have Hoyer, a draft pick, maybe Grossman...
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It'd be virtually a crime against humanity if Weeden is ever, ever granted reps with the first stringers entering in a fresh camp. It's just not a place that he belongs anymore and with two season of failures left and right, not sure why anyone would disagree.
However, yes, going into camp with 4QB's really is no harm or foul at all. Makes sense. Hoyer, Grossman and whoever is drafted can battle for first team reps and some second, and Weeden/Campbell can battle for the scraps that are leftover.
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Early in camp, you can easily use 4...even 5 QBs. Two go to throw to the backs and Tight Ends....2 others go to throw to the wideouts. You don't want your QBs throwing 200 balls a day for weeks.
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None of us are Weeden fans, but I think that, when you look at the situation as objectively as possible, hanging onto Weeden, at least into TC, is the best thing for the team. It's hard to say that, as the guy should've been cut before Chud was fired (IMO). Still, with the cap situation being what it is, I guess we might as well just have him hang around, at least as a camp arm.
The flip side of that is that I really want us to draft 2 QBs (regardless if we bring in Grossman). If we need to cut Weeden to make way for the second rookie, then that's fine with me.
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From earlier reports I read, it would make no sense to release him unless he gives in on some of his contract guarantees.
If such concessions are made, I believe it may make sense. But if he sticks to his guns on the contract, from a financial standpoint, there's nothing to be gained. At least as far as heading into camp goes.
I do believe having someone standing on the sidelines in some 3rd string position that has clearly stated he doesn't want to be here could end up being a distraction though going into the season.
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It's hard to say that, as the guy should've been cut before Chud was fired (IMO).
How so? I thought the only reason to cut him now is cause he might become a cancer with his recent demand of wanting to play somewhere else where he would get a chance to start. Releasing a guy a little before FA begins is a sign of respect to that player ie. DQ.
Obviously if Grossman is signed the writing is on the wall for both Weeden and Campbell to be gone. Its hard to trade somebody when all the teams know we will have to release him sooner or later.
Hoyer, Grossman and the Rookie - now if the Rookie is a late round pick, he could end up on the Practice Squad...but I doubt if that is the path we go.
There is no reason to rush this. Obviously we will not carry more than 3 on the roster. Hoyer is here, Draft pick is here. If we sign Grossman - all others are gone.
But outside of fans being disappointed in Weeden's progress it served the team no purpose to have cut him early.
If what you are saying (cause its hard to understand everything in board communication) That if Chud had cut Weeden which has been reported that Chud was instructed to and possibly his quick demise because he did not. If you are saying Weeden should have been cut so that CHUD WOULD REMAIN...hey I'm all behind that thought process. Shame that it might have been the possible change in all this...but then we would have had Banner and Lombardi here and that was going to turn ugly and a mess. without a HC search it would not have been discovered that fast.
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At this point in Darren's career, not sure if he is any better than a Dion Lewis or Edwin Baker. He's 30 years old and has been a tiny framed RB that's been taking hits since what, 2005?
I think the best outcome for our run game is find out who's the better back outta Dion Lewis and Edwin Baker, let them battle it out hardcore to be the 3rd down/change of pace back and draft Carlos Hyde. To me, problem solved in terms of adding/having quality backs.
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At this point in Darren's career, not sure if he is any better than a Dion Lewis or Edwin Baker. He's 30 years old and has been a tiny framed RB that's been taking hits since what, 2005?
I think the best outcome for our run game is find out who's the better back outta Dion Lewis and Edwin Baker, let them battle it out hardcore to be the 3rd down/change of pace back and draft Carlos Hyde. To me, problem solved in terms of adding/having quality backs.
Edwin Baker exploded. Would have loved to see the kid be granted more reps and etc last season.
That's not a bad plan, I like it for the most part. But, with Tate and Sproles, I know what I'm getting from them. With guys like Baker and Lewis, I HOPE they will turn out to be good. Plus, we could use that draft pick elsewhere.
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