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Or today for that matter, Tastybrownies? Wonder what the holdup is? 
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Good breakdown.
2 solidly put together contracts. Well done Farmer.
I don't think Ray is the person responsible for crafting the contracts. He and Pettine identifify the player targets, the entire team decides how much money it is going to take, then the actual structure of the contract probably comes from Alec Scheiner President
Sashi Brown Executive Vice President, General Counsel
David A. Jenkins Chief Financial Officer.
I think the business end of the operation worry about cap, cap space, and contract structure.
No doubt but it's still looking like a good structure..
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Raiders let their good RT walk, signed a name guy to replace him just to have him fail a physical and get sent back to the Rams.
Raiders are Browns'ing this FA period more than we are.
I am hoping that Tate leaves without a contract, and we sign another good WR and CB. RB is not a position that we should address before the draft.
i kinda agree. Im not sold on tate...has been hurt i think every year he has played in the nfl and that is as a backup.
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10.00: RE-SIGNING! The Bengals lost a linebacker this week when they said goodbye to James Harrison but per Aaron Wilson they’ve re-signed Vincent Rey to a two year extension. The former undrafted free agent managed 353 snaps last year and was extremely impressive when filling in for Rey Maualuga. He earned a +6.3 grade for his efforts including a quite marvellous outing against Baltimore where he logged three sacks, four more defensive stops and a pick. In a just world he’ll get a bigger role going forward. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/03/15/free-agency-reactions-day-5/
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And from Django's same link, our old friend....
"11.00: SIGNING! A favorite of our own Sam Monson, terming him the “Nearly Man”, Usama Young has re-signed with the Raiders for two years per Mike Garafolo. Young played well enough in his 208 2013 snaps with Oakland to earn a +2.5 grade, helped by picking up three sacks, three hurries, a pick and a pass break up. He is recovering from a neck injury that always causes concern, but you’d assume that a low cost deal will come with very little risk. He’ll battle for a starting job and if nothing else provide depth and contribute on special teams (where he had five tackles)."
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Guess he wasn't "the right player at the right price" 
I think we always have to consider that GM's can't just make a decision on their choice and then sign that guy like they were plucking him off a shelf in a grocery store. That guy and his agent are 50% of that choice and there are other willing teams in the bidding as well.
My point is that just because we didn't sign a particular player doesn't mean that we didn't like him or the price. Neither does it mean we didn't try. It means the player and his agent chose to go to the bidding team they chose for whatever their reasons.
You know all that but sometimes I think you unfairly place the blame on our team as though it was all our decisions on who we sign and for how much.
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I don't know if it means anything but twitter just sent me a notification about my followers are now following BenTateRB, all the name were Cleveland local media. MKC Daryl Ruiter and a few more.
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Keep in mind that I keep saying "so far" etc...I realize that the book hasn't even been opened on Farmer, with many weeks of FA and the draft still to come, but so far I'm not impressed and this FA reminds me a lot of last year's, as in: starting VERY good with two solid vet signings and then...poof, nothing.
I was annoying everyone on here that we should have done more at CB2, ILB, FB, FS etc and I heard the same excuses last offseason on here and we paid the price with yet another 4-12 season. I bought fully into this FA style in the first and second Heckert offseasons because we had zero talent and much less cap room than now. Now we have double as much of both...and we still have the same approach.
You say that maybe some FAs don't want to play for Cleveland, sure there will be several, but all OGs, FBs, FS, CB2, WR? Don't buy it. You can "convince" them to sign...the Raiders are much more of a mess than the Browns and yet "high priced" players like Tuck, Woodley, Saffold (initially) and Tarrell Brown have signed there.
My point with Hawkins is this: if we're all so happy to overpay for a slot WR, why would you not be ok to overpay for starters at other spots?
Farmer will get the whole offseason to be judged on, but I don't see how he is going to pull out of this laissez-faire FA now and field a balanced team next season without relying on mid round rooks and last year's day 3 guys to start and/or contribute significantly...and I think it's stupid to do that while STILL sitting on 40mil. He put himself and the coaches in a bad spot and not in the best possible situation to win football games....and that's what it is all about, right?
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I agree, I'm probably one of the few that rather build the foundation in FA and use the draft to build depth that will become foundation..Sure you can't get everything in FA, but what you do get for the most part are proven players. There are plenty of CBs that were available in FA that would have been the best we've ever had opposite haden..thats disappointing. But there still time, but pickings are slim. Speaking of, anyone heard anything on Moats? is he someone we're looking at?
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The problem I see with judging Farmer right now is that we don't have any idea what his real thinking is. he's never been the guy "IN CHARGE" before so nobody knows anything for sure about him or what he's likely to do and why.
There may be a good thing about that. That probably means that no other team knows what his entire thought process is either. that can be both good and bad.
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You get no real argument from me. I agree with a lot of your assessments. I was only commenting that sometimes another team signs a quality FA at a position we badly need and your follow up comment reads like, "See, we should have signed that guy!", making it sound like all we had to do was pluck him off a shelf but didn't see the importance in it.
But yes, there are problems. I think one of them, and some of it is the same as last year, (and many other years), is that we have a new coaching staff. This new staff, just like last year's new staff, was not here the year before. They don't have the advantage of coaching these players the year before. So they didn't have their minds made up by the end of last season on exactly which positions/players they need to upgrade the most.
The new staff comes in at the beginning of the off-season and that begins their assessments of the entire roster. They have to quickly evaluate every position and every player to be ready for FA and the draft. Had they had the advantage of evaluating the team all through last season they'd have come into this off-season way ahead. It's the difference between evaluating the roster throughout 16 games of coaching them vs. evaluating the roster throughout 2 months without ever coaching them or even being able to discuss football with them or seeing them play other than on film.
I think that makes a big difference in their off-season FA and draft decisions and it plays itself out over and over as we change coaches, coordinators and FO personnel.
It's like running a race but keep falling down. It's hard to catch up with the pack when you fall down 7 times in a 14 lap race. It's hard to be competitive when after falling down you get up, change strategies and start again... only to fall down 2 laps later, get up and start over again.
If we can ever get any consistency/momentum going we might begin to know what and who we have as a team and be able to make smarter roster decisions. Until then I think we'll be disappointed in our off-season decisions.
Many of yours/our disappointments are very valid concerns. The problem is that they are the same concerns we had last year... and the year before... and every year we fall down and try to get back up and compete.
Each new regime is at a disadvantage and the team pays dearly for it.
Vers made the comment that it's amazing that every regime makes the same mistakes as the last one. I think this constant turn-over is a big reason for it.
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Absolutely and said the same thing in the rumors thread.
But still, part of me can't understand how some amateurs like us can see problems that professionals can't see or evaluate/solve "differently"....no matter how long they've been working for the Browns. That's why I keep saying that this really shouldn't be rocket science
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Vers made the comment that it's amazing that every regime makes the same mistakes as the last one. I think this constant turn-over is a big reason for it.
Absolutely and said the same thing in the rumors thread.
But still, part of me can't understand how some amateurs like us can see problems that professionals can't see or evaluate/solve "differently"....no matter how long they've been working for the Browns. That's why I keep saying that this really shouldn't be rocket science
Many are called but few are chosen, there are a lot of "self proclaimed" GM's here.
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Doesn't mean they are wrong and some of us are right. Again, we don't know what they had to work with. We only think we know.
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Maybe they don't think there is a problem? For example, maybe they have seen Gilkey or Faulk in practice and think they an fill the hole.
Also, the draft is obviously still an option when trying to fill holes.
Maybe they have a trade up their sleeve?
(Done grasping at straws.)
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Telich reports that the deal is performance-based, and Tate "must prove and will get paid.''
Now that would be a great deal  Farmer
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/03/cleveland_browns_expect_to_sig.html
I know some won't like the signing, but I think it's a good move.
If the contract is performance based as has been reported I don't see how anyone can dislike the signing.
We will be getting a player who has been productive in limited playing time, played in our coach's system, has a cheap contract, and is young. What's not to like?
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Oh just wait..there will be those who will criticize it.
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Not me. Good signing, great for Shanahan's scheme. As far as any "injury prone" concerns go, ribs and ankle don't concern me at all.
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Not me. Good signing, great for Shanahan's scheme. As far as any "injury prone" concerns go, ribs and ankle don't concern me at all.
I'll be excited to see it become official... Until the ink dries I can't get too excited
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Julian Edelman re-signs with Patriots Let's hope the Bengals don't match that offer sheet. Edleman was our fallback option. Emmanuel Sanders is still out there.
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I want nothing to do with Sanders. He is a head case. Steeler fans here say the same thing. I'd take him for very cheap, but that is it.
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I guess nfl network were saying that the bengals aren't going to match now because hawkins contract was so front loaded.
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Peppers signed with the Packers. Even at his age, that should take some pressure off the Bloodline.
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The question is what position is Peppers going to play in that 3-4?
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Not me. Good signing, great for Shanahan's scheme. As far as any "injury prone" concerns go, ribs and ankle don't concern me at all.
I'll be excited to see it become official... Until the ink dries I can't get too excited
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Probably the one Datone Jones was supposed to.
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This subject comes up at least twice a year by someone way smarter than me who knows how a " good defensive player" can't play in the 3-4, or can't play in the 4-3 because they don't fit.
I don't know that much, all I know is good defensive player, or bad defensive player, and they're all trying to do the same thing, stop the offense.
I just don't think it matters. I call complete Barbara Streisand, ( as Rush would say), until someone comes up with some evidence of even 1 time, it backfired and some player couldn't take the field or stay on a team because he was quote
a 3-4 guy in a 4-3 scheme, or vice versa.
It hasn't happened since the turn of the century, it just doesn't happen. Players just go out there and play, and coaches put them out there to make plays.
And not to single anyone out here this time, but this has come up about 25 times on this board since wayyy back and it's not yet once been an issue.
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I just don't think it matters. I call complete Barbara Streisand, ( as Rush would say), until someone comes up with some evidence of even 1 time, it backfired and some player couldn't take the field or stay on a team because he was quote
a 3-4 guy in a 4-3 scheme, or vice versa.
Mario Williams... tried to covert positions to fit the 3-4 when Wade Phillips came to Houston... was a failed experiment and he got shipped out to Buffalo and after settling into his role has played fairly well back in the 4-3.
I do agree with you for the most part, but that situation did come to mind.
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The year Mario Williams played in the 3-4 he had five sacks in five games and then got injured and missed the rest of the season.
These freak athletes can do pretty much whatever you ask them. Peppers might be at the point where he isn't as athletic as he used to be though, so he might struggle.
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you're right - guess I am misremembering... that's what happens when you have too many green drinks on St. Patty's Satuday... my bad.
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Brandon LaFell signs with the Panthers Who is going to play receiver for the Panthers? Their top three receivers from last year are all gone and they weren't even that good to begin with. Has there ever been more of a lock than the Panthers taking a wide receiver in the first round of the draft?
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Who is going to play receiver for the Panthers? Their top three receivers from last year are all gone and they weren't even that good to begin with.
Has there ever been more of a lock than the Panthers taking a wide receiver in the first round of the draft?
They are going to need to draft more than 1 wide receiver. Maybe this will heat up the talked about Greg Little being traded to the Panthers.
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Yeah, often a great player can transition to a different defense ..... but then the question becomes, "Who is a great player, and who is just pretty good?" Let's look at DQ vs Dansby, as an example. Terry Pluto does a great job with this ...... Terry's Talkin' about Browns sense of urgency, Tribe's Carlos Santana, Cavs frustrating season | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2014/03/terrys_talkin_about_the_browns_3.html3. Dansby vs. Jackson, the player: The real issue is the scheme. If the Browns were playing Dick Jauron's 4-3 defense, you keep Jackson. He excels in that formation. But he struggles inside in the 3-4, as was evident last season. It also was true when Eric Mangini was the coach. Dansby is very good in the 3-4. 4. Pettine tried to recruit Dansby last season when he was the defensive coordinator in Buffalo and Dansby was a free agent. Dansby went to Arizona instead. 5. I can use lots of stats to demonstrate why Dansby is a significant upgrade over Jackson in a 3-4 defense. He had 6.5 sacks last season, four interceptions and broke up 19 passes. He made big plays. Can he continue? We'll find out. Remember, those Dansby numbers were in 16 games. In 55 games in the 3-4, Jackson has 4.5 sacks, five interceptions and 19 passes defended.Man, that's a huge difference in 16 games for Dansby vs 55 games for DQ. DQ is OK in a defense where he has a lot of big bodies to keep blockers off of him. If he can run free to a play, then he can play well. However, in the 3-4, the ability to shed blocks becomes far more important, and DQ simply is not very good at shedding blocks. DQ has played under Romeo Crennel and Todd Grantham ..... 2 well respected defensive minds. He played under Eric Mangini and Rob Ryan. (until he got hurt) He played under Ray Horton. He has played under some amazing defensive coaches in the 3-4. He has managed to rack up tackles ..... but made few impact plays. He was one of the better players on the team, but that doesn't make him a great player. DQ is best in the 4-3, where he has that extra big body in front of him to take up blocks, and allow him to run free to the ball. He cannot, and has not been able to do so in the 3-4. He is not an effective 3-4 ILB. He simply does not make impact plays. DQ was competent, but was set to be paid as a premium player. I see no problem with replacing him. He did not fit the 3-4. (and frankly, I don't see how anyone who watched DQ play in both defenses could really argue with that point) Now, I do agree with your point to an extent. Some players can fit in either defense. Haden can. Rubin can. Bryant can. It appears that Winn and Holmes can. Taylor can. Sheard appears like he can. There are any number of guy s who can. DQ couldn't. Time to move on.
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While those numbers are pretty alarming, they also don't show the whole story. I don't know if they are fair as Jackson and Dansby may have been asked to do different things within the defense.
I know for sure that Jackson wasn't asked to blitz much in Crennel and Mangini's defense.
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