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Also anyone think that the Bess situation had some ramifications in this? All I've read is the good well the good did not seem to be difficult. Actually seems like a great job to have. But maybe the failure of Bess, the failure of Gordon failing a test, the failure of Haden testing positive for A.D.D. drugs the new party drug at the time.

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was the first thing that pop into my mind.

I was pretty much done with this thread, but I don't think teams expect these guys to be babysitters for the players in their personal lives..

I thought I was done with it too.

Seems to me they are comparing things that aren't related.

The Dolphins debacle was "in house". Going on in the locker room actually on dolphin property under everyone's noses.

The issues brought up above happened away from the team on personal time. Two completely different scenarios IMO

Sorry thought the education of the Drug restrictions was his responsibility to get across. Thought those were a failure. I didn't compare it to the Dolphins Locker room. I compared his success in talking with our players about it...like it was a really big issue with the players in our locker room...it was in the media not in our locker room but I'm sure he talked with them. That was my comparison as he was praised for that...gee tough job.

The three guys were failures were they not? how can you go pfft no big deal?

There's a difference in inheriting problems and preventing them..

Let's look at two out of the three....

Gordon came into the league with at least three strikes under his belt in the NCAA. Are you trying to indicate that a continuation of a pre-existing problem falls on Shea?

We also found out that in the case of Bess, he had previous problems in Miami. He was already a veteran player when he came here. If that falls on anyone's shoulders, both in the case of Bess and Gordon, those were calculated risks taken by those in charge at the time.

And let's look around at teams like the Ravens, Bengals, both in our own division alone. Are you suggesting that we compare anything close to that?

Here's the thing, you can tell people and teach people all you want, but at some point, they have to be listening. I've seen children all grow up in the same home and you get differing results.

So when you have two guys coming here with a poor track record to begin with, I don't believe that falls on Shea's shoulders. You may see it differently, but to me, there's a difference in being pretty effective at your job and being a miracle worker.

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Also anyone think that the Bess situation had some ramifications in this? All I've read is the good well the good did not seem to be difficult. Actually seems like a great job to have. But maybe the failure of Bess, the failure of Gordon failing a test, the failure of Haden testing positive for A.D.D. drugs the new party drug at the time.

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eo...just how in the heck you can link any of the above to Shea needs to explained by "you".

IMO, you are simply grabbing at straws, making up scenarios...and pointing at Shea as if you know he was responsible in some way.

It might be best if you just admitted, you don't have a clue why he was fired !

like you are teaching me something. I just like you understand the 3 situations. Question is does this fall under his realm or does it not? That is all I ask. If it does it counts a far lot more than speaking to OUR GUYS about somebody's locker room that was not a great deal with the players as it was with the media.

What was there a Prison riot that he stopped...lol He freaking talked about unrest in some other teams locker room which was irrelevant to our own. Glad he talked about it and they had a good sit down. But you make that sound like it was such an achievement that we should even compare it to 3 guys who left our team for games due to something that falls under his realm or duty. If you tell me it was not in his job description with actual knowledge that is different. But that far exceeded the "TALK" he had with the players after the Martin bs stuff.

jmho

I can't believe this reached 3 pages. I did not read anything but Macs above post and the headline.

Probably gonna stay that way.

Tim Couch could have done a FAR better job in this role than Aaron Shea ever could have.

Some players are "coach killers". Maybe Devon Bess is a "Player engagement Director killer" ?

J/C

Am I the only one that doesnt care that Aaron Shea was fired? Seriously. Are things that good that this is what we have to worry about?

I'm just trying to figure out why this thread was moved to the Tailgate Lot.

It's about football operations/front office of the Cleveland Browns. We fire the head coach, and it's in PF. We fire the GM, it's in PF. We fire a different member of the front office, and it gets moved.