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http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2014recap.php Browns sign ILB Karlos Dansby (4 years, $24M; $14M guaranteed): C- Grade Sigh... same old Browns. Only inept teams like Cleveland would pay this much money to a soon-to-be 33-year-old linebacker who is almost certain to decline sometime soon. Granted, Dansby played out of his mind this past season, but he was on a 1-year deal, so he was extremely motivated to land another big contract. Cleveland naturally fell for this charade. Once again, free agents who take big money to go to inferior franchises almost always disappoint. Dansby has shown that his No. 1 priority is money, so how motivated will he be while playing for a perennial loser? This is a disastrous move by Cleveland's new front office.
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W00T! I love upbeat stories, even if they're totally premature in every regard - from it isn't official yet (cannot be) to they've already attempted to foretell the future, lol
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Id give this move at least a B+. He fills a huge void in coverage at the ILB position. Its front loaded for this year and gives the Browns a chance to revamp the offense in the draft. Depth is still needed at this position.
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So essentially, this is really a two year deal and we would be on the hook for a $4M cap hit if we release him next year? I guess that is not as bad as I originally thought. I guess the "32" next to his age is tough to swallow.
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I want to know what the other options are. The draft and free agency is short on players at this position.
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lets see if memory serves... Walters had Dansby as the #2 FA ILb and this is a bad move . DQ was like #5 and the Colts signed him for about same $ and it was a good move. 
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lets see if memory serves... Walters had Dansby as the #2 FA ILb and this is a bad move .
DQ was like #5 and the Colts signed him for about same $ and it was a good move.
site run by a Steeler fan. no confusion necessary.
I love how since he played well last year it means that he only cares about the $$ and will stink now. So, if he stunk last year, then it would be a better signing?
As it is, he should be an upgrade from DQ for us. That's what matters.
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So essentially, this is really a two year deal and we would be on the hook for a $4M cap hit if we release him next year? I guess that is not as bad as I originally thought. I guess the "32" next to his age is tough to swallow.
DQ will be 31 in September and Dansby just turned 32 couple months ago
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lets see if memory serves... Walters had Dansby as the #2 FA ILb and this is a bad move .
DQ was like #5 and the Colts signed him for about same $ and it was a good move.
Media bias.
I was watching the NFL channel kickoff to free agency last night, they opened with all the classic signings that helped teams win (Reggie White, Deion Sanders, Brees, etc.) and then they hit on the awful signings (Rison, Haynesworth and oddly enough Deion Sanders again).
And then they talked about how Kruger was an awful signing last year because we missed the playoffs. But in the same breath, they said how the Ravens got a steal of a deal on Dummervil and then just missed out on the playoffs. Really? Both teams missed the playoffs and the Ravens only got Dummervil because the agent or team forgot some silly paperwork. But the Browns were idiots, the Ravens were brilliant.
Oh well.
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I'm not so sure. It certainly isn't a long term answer by any means. And let's face it, you always pay through the nose in the FA market. That part has always been that way.
If DQ simply didn't fit the scheme and Dansby does, it was worth it. I can't say for sure, but that certainly seems to be the reasoning behind it.
It goes along with the Whitner deal. IF he is signed, which I believe he will be, it's not because he's superior to TJ, it's because he fits what they want in a S in this scheme.
I've seen far too many times that when you have a change in coaching staffs, certain players just don't fit. I've also seen FA's signed who never quite develop the production that was expected because they don't fit in with a scheme.
The people who sign them, look at their skill set more than the scheme they were playing in and miss the mark. I still hope they land Moats to upgrade from Robertson. That would help address the ILB position at least for a couple of years.
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One concerning aspect of this deal is he will cost 20% of our overall cap space in 2014....that's quite a bit.
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One concerning aspect of this deal is he will cost 20% of our overall cap space in 2014....that's quite a bit.
and next to nothing after that, plus $4 mil hit if he is let go year 2.
Now is the time to front load
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It cannot be worse than sitting on our hands and saying, huur duur build through the draft. Dansby is an instant upgrade over what we had....nothing
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lets see if memory serves... Walters had Dansby as the #2 FA ILb and this is a bad move .
DQ was like #5 and the Colts signed him for about same $ and it was a good move.
tex...good point...
Dansby ranked #2 and using the link above, here is what the walters had to say about him...
"Karlos Dansby, who played all but five of Arizona's defensive snaps this past season, was a beast in his first year back with the Cardinals. A force in every facet of the game, Dansby earned himself a big contract. The only downside is that he'll be 33 in November. "
Someone must have taken Walter's girl scout cookies ...or something...lol
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One concerning aspect of this deal is he will cost 20% of our overall cap space in 2014....that's quite a bit.
Not a math PHD I guess  
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i kinda agree that we jumped the gun on this one....that much money for a guy who is about to be 33? I dont get it.......i really dont.
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One concerning aspect of this deal is he will cost 20% of our overall cap space in 2014....that's quite a bit.
Not a math PHD I guess
Did I misread something?
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Perfect move front loading a contract like that this year. Perfect
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I think it is safe to say that if Banner was still in charge we would have never signed a player like Dansby.
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Perfect move front loading a contract like that this year. Perfect
yeah...
Honestly, idk how I feel about this deal.
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One concerning aspect of this deal is he will cost 20% of our overall cap space in 2014....that's quite a bit.
Not a math PHD I guess
Did I misread something?
Probably not, it's just that he won't cost us 20% of this year's cap, that'd be around 27mil. He gets 10mil this upcoming season which is actually about 7-8% of our 2014 cap.
You probably took the whole deal going against the 2014 cap, but it's a 4y deal
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I think it is safe to say that if Banner was still in charge we would have never signed a player like Dansby.
I feel its safe to say that if Banner was still in charge he'd have trouble signing any player.
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Didn't he say 20% of our cap space? Not of the cap.
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Pardon me for not being clear.... He'll take up $10M of the available $50M we have remaining for 2014....20%
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j/c..
I like the Dansby signing. He's much better in coverage than DQ. Looks like we have upgraded at a position of need.
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I like the Dansby signing. He's much better in coverage than DQ. Looks like we have upgraded at a position of need.
I agree, Dansby can cover.
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Didn't he say 20% of our cap space? Not of the cap.
Ooops, apologies to Memphis then. I'm the idiot here 
Releasing Campbell will give us back another 3mil or an additional 6% "space"
It only means that we probably won't trade for Revis....we can sign anyone else if we want to. I hope we aren't out of the Byrd running yet....
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It only means that we probably won't trade for Revis
As Purp pointed out, Revis contract can be amended to be more cap friendly without his permission.
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I think it is safe to say that if Banner was still in charge we would have never signed a player like Dansby.
You mean like last year?
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As Purp pointed out, Revis contract can be amended to be more cap friendly without his permission.
I dont want revis....as good as he is...cameron jordan should get a new contract soon if we are smart. Also we still have to keep haden and make. Phil taylors contract is up in a year or two....and of course...at some point we need to bottle up josh Gordan if he keeps flying the straight and narrow........to many good players we need to sign.......revis contract would make it very hard to do so
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You mean like last year?
Given his track record, at 32 Dansby would have been too old for Banner to look at.
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I think it is safe to say that if Banner was still in charge we would have never signed a player like Dansby.
You mean like last year?
Given his track record, at 32 Dansby would have been too old for Banner to look at.
Right. Dansby was available last year and we didn't sign him.
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DQ was like #5 and the Colts signed him for about same $ and it was a good move.
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Pardon me for not being clear.... He'll take up $10M of the available $50M we have remaining for 2014....20%
Not really... I believe that for right now, the cap only counts the top 51 salaries - we added him, he bumps someone else off, so we only add the difference between the two, plus I believe we can prorate things like signing bonus over the life of the contract... so, the net effect on the cap for this year likely isn't $10M at all.
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I will go with that. Frees up some picks in the draft perhaps. Decent signing, but not great. Welcome aboard!
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I'm with the folks that appreciate front-loading it, that makes up for his age.
I'm not sure he'll be an upgrade/downgrade over DQ, but its better than replacing him with a group of rookie tryouts.
If we get 1 or 2 good years out of him, it beats leaving $20 million in Haslam's pocket.
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I am just totally digging this... this dude is good against the run, this dude is good enough in coverage. A very superb job Ray Farmer. I am totally digging these signings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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Pardon me for not being clear.... He'll take up $10M of the available $50M we have remaining for 2014....20%
Not really... I believe that for right now, the cap only counts the top 51 salaries - we added him, he bumps someone else off, so we only add the difference between the two, plus I believe we can prorate things like signing bonus over the life of the contract... so, the net effect on the cap for this year likely isn't $10M at all.
I'll defer to your better judgement and what you say makes sense. Plus at this point in time the structured contract reported isn't as clear cut...but if it is, we are talking about bumping a guy at the bottom of the 51 so the difference isn't all that significant.
Not sure about what is considered "signing bonus" at this point...we'll see.
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