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Well,the defense just got older,more expensive,and the parking lot got shinier.But did they get better?
Talent wise,maybe,maybe not.Value wise,definately not.
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Pardon me for not being clear.... He'll take up $10M of the available $50M we have remaining for 2014....20%
Not really... I believe that for right now, the cap only counts the top 51 salaries - we added him, he bumps someone else off, so we only add the difference between the two, plus I believe we can prorate things like signing bonus over the life of the contract... so, the net effect on the cap for this year likely isn't $10M at all.
I'll defer to your better judgement and what you say makes sense. Plus at this point in time the structured contract reported isn't as clear cut...but if it is, we are talking about bumping a guy at the bottom of the 51 so the difference isn't all that significant.
Not sure about what is considered "signing bonus" at this point...we'll see.
Well, don't totally defer to me, I'm going from memory. I may be wrong about the Top 51. I know that a lot of what I used to know about the CBA became invalid with the new one in 2011, and the NFLPA doesn't keep an online copy like they used to, so I haven't read the new one.
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I like the move. A big physical player in the middle. A upgrade IMO....a nice upgrade over Jackson. Jackson was a nice player, but if the DT's couldn't keep guards off of him he was pretty average at best. Dansby can play through player to make the play.
He had great numbers last season....and you don't luck in to those numbers, especially the tackles number. That means you find your way to the ball.
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Talent wise,maybe,maybe not.Value wise,definately not.
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I happen to think Dansby, at 10lbs heavier and two years older I believe more than DQ - is an upgrade at that position. He'll be a bigger impact against the run, and he'll be the same, perhaps a little better - in coverage than DQ.
I think these signings have already improved our defense. JMO
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I agree Peen. IMO this is a definite upgrade over Jackson. Dansby is all over the field. The contract is good, he gets paid to come in and perform, if he's good, next year he"s cheap. Also, this fills the leadership role on the defense left by Jackson being gone. Veteran presence, with ability.
I also think this is just a move until they draft the replacement. If they sign a good young LB in the draft, Dansby will be there to learn from.
Still need to replace Robertson
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Depends on how it's structured.
If a chunk of that is signing bonus, then that part will cost us 25% this year, and 25% in each of the next 3 seasons. (or until he is cut, and his bonus accelerates against the cap) If, for example, the Browns gave him $8 million to sign, plus a 1st year salary of $2 million, then his year 1 cap cost would be only $4 million. That seems a likely scenario.
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Cap space...as in Air and $$$ its ok... How many FA were you thinking we would sign to big contracts. So the hit this year would be 10 mil... The cap will grow and his contract will decline...it was designed with what we got in Space and to relinquish some of the space in the future.
Some times Browns fans are a tough crowd...we get views of negatives if we don't utilize our cap space and then views of negatives if we do 
I'm just seeing this for exactly what FA should be - filling the needs before the draft. Lost DQ got Dansby, lost Ward got Whitner. Lost Lava and who did we get yet? Anyone?
jmho - so far so good. Wish we signed Schwartz but he's in NY now. Just got on the board. I like it so far.
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Cap space...as in Air and $$$ its ok... How many FA were you thinking we would sign to big contracts. So the hit this year would be 10 mil... The cap will grow and his contract will decline...it was designed with what we got in Space and to relinquish some of the space in the future.
Some times Browns fans are a tough crowd...we get views of negatives if we don't utilize our cap space and then views of negatives if we do
I'm just seeing this for exactly what FA should be - filling the needs before the draft. Lost DQ got Dansby, lost Ward got Whitner. Lost Lava and who did we get yet? Anyone?
jmho - so far so good. Wish we signed Schwartz but he's in NY now. Just got on the board. I like it so far.
I agree man. Some just complain to complain, like they know what they are talking about.
Not saying I do, but I am not complaing about the money. Screw the money. The cap keeps going up and we have been under the cap by a large amount for a decade, and we have sucked for a decade.
People say why spend on a 4-5 year rental.....well, many draft picks become that...at least the good ones. Look at Mack. The only way we might keep him around is to tag him at 10 mil per year.
In todays NFL, fewer and fewer plays stick with their drafted team more than 4-5-6 years...the contract escalators make it impossible to keep them.
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Call me jaded,but I don't share your optimism.Our needs before FA,are the same as they are now.We allowed two players to walk,and we have now replaced them.That's just backfilling holes you've created.
We still need a #2 corner,another or two WRs,a RG,a RB or 2,an ILB,maybe a safety.
Day one for the Browns is a wash.
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Good thing there is one more day.
After the first day is when you start finding bargains. We paid a premium for two guys we really needed.
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More of the thumper than DQ but couldnt cover a hotdog with mustard lol I would rather have DQ as this is more of a passing league but hey it gives our guys up front more freedom to attack because the guy does have great instincts in the run and he can sniff out the screen.
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More of the thumper than DQ but couldnt cover a hotdog with mustard lol I would rather have DQ as this is more of a passing league but hey it gives our guys up front more freedom to attack because the guy does have great instincts in the run and he can sniff out the screen.
What?
Dude had 19 pass deflections and 4 INTs last season
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Call me jaded,but I don't share your optimism.Our needs before FA,are the same as they are now.We allowed two players to walk,and we have now replaced them.That's just backfilling holes you've created.
We still need a #2 corner,another or two WRs,a RG,a RB or 2,an ILB,maybe a safety.
Day one for the Browns is a wash.
Ok....it's wash as you said, even if I disagree and think we improved.....so what's your beef? If we washed, that also means we also paid similar dollars for similar production......wait.....you have a DQ or TJ jersey
No worries man...the uni's are changing next year. You can rush out next year to get the newest one with a new name on the back......for this year it might suck since you worry about that.
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They played a lot more zone, he is a smart guy with good instincts but he still cant cover lol
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Not really feeling this move but its done.
Will wait & see his impact on the field.
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Where do you guys get this stuff? Everything I'm reading says Dansby was the 3rd best LB in the league at shutting down the pass this year. The tape backs it up. He was amazing last year. DQ is slightly more cerebral and consistent sure but Karlos is flat out a better athlete and more disruptive despite being almost 2 years senior. He shuts down the pass and makes more impact plays than DQ ever has. He was a better LB in all facets than DQ last year and given their respective systems, SHOULD be this year. I love DQ but Upgrade. It's not optimism, it's educated realism.
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Pardon me for not getting down on my knees and worshipping all things Haslam.
I guess I'm just not fickle enough for ya.
I see more money being spent,but I don't see this great talent upgrade.We are at the same place we were before FA,with less money to spend.I'm no economist,but that doesn't seem like a good thing.
BTW,I swore on the day they hired Mangini that until I saw proof positive that the Browns were not being run by a bunch of buffoons that I would not spend another dollar on this team.Needless to say,I don't own much Browns crap.Just a Hickerson throwback jersey,that I've owned for years.
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Will wait & see his impact on the field.
Welcome aboard, Karlos.
I'm feeling the same way... I think we overpaid for both players.
Espcially looking at what other teams payed for DQ and Ward kinda hurts actually... I wonder what the contract is for hawkins.
hopefully all three come in here and kill it and make us forget about our losses
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I see more money being spent,but I don't see this great talent upgrade.We are at the same place we were before FA,with less money to spend.I'm no economist,but that doesn't seem like a good thing.
Understand your trepidation but we would have had to spend money to keep those guys too.
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four-year, $22 million deal with $11 million guaranteed
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four-year contract worth $24 million. Dansby will receive $14 million guaranteed and $10 million in the first season
how is that more?
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I had a brain fart. For some reason I thought Jackson got $20 million guaranteed.
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I had a brain fart. For some reason I thought Jackson got $20 million guaranteed.
Too much avacado in your diet will do that to you.
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so we paid $7 mil more over 4 years for two guys that wanted to be here as opposed to trying to convince two guys to stay that didn't want to be here.
How much more would we have had to pay to keep them?
Seems to me that would have taken a hometown anti-discount.
That and I still think they both are upgrades, but that is jmho
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http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2014/03/terry_plutos_cleveland_browns_8.html2. The Browns two big signings are safety Donte Whitner and inside linebacker Karlos Dansby. The Dansby signing is the most intriguing because he gives the Browns one of the things they desperately need -- an inside linebacker who is a playmaker. He had 6.5 sacks and four interceptions for Arizona last season. He played all but three snaps. 3. Dansby will be 33 on November 3. The Browns probably overpaid for the linebacker ($24 million, $10 million guaranteed). But the fact is teams usually overpay for the top free agents. Because of all the losing and lack of stability, the price tag is even higher to bring a player to Cleveland -- unless he happens to be from here, as is the case with Whitner. Dansby should be a significant upgrade over D'Qwell Jackson, who struggled as an inside linebacker in the 3-4 defense. 4. For what it's worth, Profootballfocus.com rated Dansby No. 5 among all inside linebackers last season. Jackson was No. 42, and current Browns inside linebacker Craig Robertson was No. 52. 5. A major issue with Jackson and especially Robertson was pass coverage. Dansby excelled in that area with four interceptions and 19 pass break-ups. Jackson had seven breakups and Robertson had two last season. 6. Dansby has missed only eight games in 10 seasons. It's only two in the last six years. Along with his 6.5 sacks last season, he had four quarterback hits and 11 more quarterback hurries. He played like one of those guys who catches your eye because he seems in the middle of so much of the action.
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Pardon me for not getting down on my knees and worshipping all things Haslam.
I guess I'm just not fickle enough for ya.
I see more money being spent,but I don't see this great talent upgrade.We are at the same place we were before FA,with less money to spend.I'm no economist,but that doesn't seem like a good thing.
BTW,I swore on the day they hired Mangini that until I saw proof positive that the Browns were not being run by a bunch of buffoons that I would not spend another dollar on this team.Needless to say,I don't own much Browns crap.Just a Hickerson throwback jersey,that I've owned for years.
Cool....I won't rag you if you don't see a talent improvement....even if I disagree. I think both Dansby and Whitner are improvements...add in the slill sets compared to the oters....a big improvement, but you keep talking about the increase in money spent.
I have news for you, we were going to have to spend money to keep both TJ and DQ. I am not going to do ther reseach, but DQ was owed enough this may be a cheaper option if you add in what TJ signed for. We were going to pay way more if we had kept them.
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I like the move. A big physical player in the middle. A upgrade IMO....a nice upgrade over Jackson. Jackson was a nice player, but if the DT's couldn't keep guards off of him he was pretty average at best. Dansby can play through player to make the play.
He had great numbers last season....and you don't luck in to those numbers, especially the tackles number. That means you find your way to the ball.
I agree. He's more physical than DQ and is much better suited at ILB in a 3-4. I thought DQ played very well the two seasons we ran a 4-3. That's why I was very surprised he signed with the Colts(they run a 3-4). It is what it is. We needed an ILB and we signed one. Lost Ward and signed a safety. So far so good.
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So you would have left holes at ILB and safety? Or you would have showered DQ and Ward with the money(in which case we would still have less money). We needed an ILB and a safety. We signed an ILB and a safety. Either way that money gets spent. I think the players we signed are superior to the ones that left in our particular system but that's up for debate. Also, that's presuming DQ and TJ were even willing to SIGN here. Both players seemingly wanted the hell out of Cleveland. Not that I could blame them.
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i guess i just have a thing for loving the browns players that are good.
i like the whitner signing, but if this guy is such an upgrade, why didnt the superbowl contending team sign him instead of our "overrated" safety?
why did the playoff contending colts sign DQ instead of the upgrade that is danbsy?
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" but DQ was owed enough this may be a cheaper option if you add in what TJ signed for."
That is something I had forgotten.DQ was under contract and cut,he wasn't a FA.If i remember correctly,DQ would have cost more than what was given to Dansby.
That makes that move a plus,and the other is still a push.
I stand corrected,the Browns are on the positive side of the ledger after day 1.
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Dansby is not a long term answer but if he plays at a high level for 2 to 3 years he can help the team turn around into a stellar defense.
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Legit questions Swish,
Maybe Ward fits the needs of the Broncos better than Whitner, just like Whitner fits our needs better in Pettine's defense.
On the Colts... I have no idea why they would give $22 mil to DQ. Especially to play in a 3-4. then again that did trade for Trich so I am not sure I would them up as great evaluators of talent. For $2 mil over 4 years I take Dansby every time, and yes I did like DQ.
Also lets not forget that both of these guys wanted out.
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So you would have left holes at ILB
we created our own hole.
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So you would have left holes at ILB
we created our own hole.
I don't think DQ wanted to be here anymore. I don't blame him.
He put in his time. Letting him go before FA started was the classy thing to do.
He wasn't worth what he was due, anyway (though to be fair we seriously overpaid for Dansby).
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i like the whitner signing, but if this guy is such an upgrade, why didnt the superbowl contending team sign him instead of our "overrated" safety?
why did the playoff contending colts sign DQ instead of the upgrade that is danbsy?
Ward wanted out. I really don't want a guy in the locker room who's not really buying in. I'm not even sure I care if Mack returns for the same reason. Hate to lose him but I want a united room on this team. Dante and Dansby should both provide good, veteran leadership and desire to be here.
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Browns sign ILB Karlos Dansby (4 years, $24M; $14M guaranteed): C- Grade
Sigh... same old Browns. Only inept teams like Cleveland would pay this much money to a soon-to-be 33-year-old linebacker who is almost certain to decline sometime soon. Granted, Dansby played out of his mind this past season, but he was on a 1-year deal, so he was extremely motivated to land another big contract. Cleveland naturally fell for this charade.
Once again, free agents who take big money to go to inferior franchises almost always disappoint. Dansby has shown that his No. 1 priority is money, so how motivated will he be while playing for a perennial loser? This is a disastrous move by Cleveland's new front office.
-OUCH! For the review.
We probably won't keep him for the full length of his contract, especially if he doesn't play as well as expected because of his age. We all know how cut throat Haslam can be.
I don't know squat about him but at the very least I'm glad we are makin' some moves... I guess?
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yeah Walters had Dansby as the 2nd rated ILb in fa and DQ the 7th - our signing at 24 mil was terrible but Indy's for 22 mil was great, go figure that one,
Walters loses credibility on this one
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Funny though that in polls I've seen Cleveland is being shown to have the best opening FA day.
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