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I'd definitely approve of signing McQuistan. We need OL depth and he can handle multiple spots. He was able to get significant playing time in Seattle, so he is definitely serviceable. I saw plenty of Seahawks games, don't recall how he played, but I did not see much deficiency from the OLine in general. And he's a veteran with a Super Bowl Ring. That's a plus for a young team.
If nothing else, he pushes for a starting spot and adds depth at several spots. We can still draft an OG early.
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I'd definitely approve of signing McQuistan. We need OL depth and he can handle multiple spots. He was able to get significant playing time in Seattle, so he is definitely serviceable. I saw plenty of Seahawks games, don't recall how he played, but I did not see much deficiency from the OLine in general. And he's a veteran with a Super Bowl Ring. That's a plus for a young team.
If nothing else, he pushes for a starting spot and adds depth at several spots. We can still draft an OG early.
Everything you said there makes perfect sense. It's not like we are going to sign him to some huge contract.
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The Browns threw the ball 681 times last year. (most in the NFL) We allowed our QBs to be sacked 49 times.
The Seahawks threw the ball only 420 times last year. They allowed their QB, a guy with solid pocket awareness, and very good wheels, to be sacked 44 times.
The Browns threw the ball 261 more times, and allowed 4 more sacks than the Seahawks.
The Hawks can run block very well, but I don't know that anyone would accuse them of being a great pass blocking group.
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That is the highest sack-attempt ratio in the NFL. I can't tell you if that is his fault, the whole line, play-calling, QB, schedule. But I agree they are much better at run blocking than pass blocking.
Our offense has been putrid for years. I still think Joe Thomas and Mack are excellent players. I'm just glad we are looking at guards.
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I'd definitely approve of signing McQuistan. We need OL depth and he can handle multiple spots. He was able to get significant playing time in Seattle, so he is definitely serviceable. I saw plenty of Seahawks games, don't recall how he played, but I did not see much deficiency from the OLine in general. And he's a veteran with a Super Bowl Ring. That's a plus for a young team.
If nothing else, he pushes for a starting spot and adds depth at several spots. We can still draft an OG early.
Everything you said there makes perfect sense. It's not like we are going to sign him to some huge contract.
I could see him as an effective backup. Almost our "6" man if you will. We needed a backup for OT with Cousins leaving and I see him as maybe only a slight upgrade in production but from what little I know he offers more in the leadership department. I think even with him and no draft picks it would be Pink and Greco starting but he could backup all four positions and especially outside.
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DeSean Jackson is getting cut or traded Jackson is pretty much the perfect complement to Gordon. I don't think we will have any interest in him, but I would love to have him on the team.
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Don't understand why the NFL gives him no respect??? There must be some dirt on him.
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No Clue but he looked great in the games I watched him in last year. He still has good speed for a guy his size, and he still seams to have good vision, a good first move, and lots of power.
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No Clue but he looked great in the games I watched him in last year. He still has good speed for a guy his size, and he still seams to have good vision, a good first move, and lots of power.
Fumbles and lack a versatility. I agree the vendetta against him is bull but he's a power runner, a dang good one, and that's it. No receiving threat and not a great blocker,
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No Clue but he looked great in the games I watched him in last year. He still has good speed for a guy his size, and he still seams to have good vision, a good first move, and lots of power.
Fumbles and lack a versatility. I agree the vendetta against him is bull but he's a power runner, a dang good one, and that's it. No receiving threat and not a great blocker,
Would make a nice 3rd and short back or relief for Tate though.
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The funny part is when Blount's in everyone knows it's a run up the middle. Care to stop it? They haven't proven they can.
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JC: 2014 Free Agency Winners and LosersCleveland (Winners) The Browns came into free agency as something of a laughing stock. After coming from Pittsburgh where continuity is celebrated above all else, owner Jimmy Haslem canned his head coach, GM and CEO after just one season leaving the Browns rudderless staring down a crucial period. The new regime though has quietly made a series of fine moves in free agency. They upgraded at linebacker by allowing D’Qwell Jackson to walk and replacing him with Karlos Dansby. The loss of T.J. Ward was significant, but in today’s pass-happy league his run-stuffing capabilities aren’t as important to many teams as his coverage deficiencies will be. If the Browns get the same Donte Whitner from 2013 they have a notable upgrade in that area. Lastly they made a run at restricted free agent wide receiver Andrew Hawkins from division rival Cincinnati. The Browns signed Hawkins to an offer sheet designed to hurt the Bengals if they matched or if they didn’t. When the team ultimately declined to match the Browns secured themselves the slot receiver they hoped they were getting when they signed Davone Bess. Hawkins is a quick, dangerous receiving weapon that can move the chains, and is a fine special teamer to boot. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/03/20/2014-free-agency-winners-and-losers/
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All dawgs talking on the Blount thing...I saw on the bottom ticker tape of NFL NETWORK that the Ravens are asking him to come for a visit. Looks like between Ravens and Steelers he is coming to our Black n Blue division. Hope those Fumble remarks are true 
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Steelers to meet with free agent LB Arthur Moats, probably on Monday. RB LaGarrette Blount pushed back to Friday. https://twitter.com/arobinson_Trib
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Per the Sun's Aaron Wilson, it's "unclear when the deal will be finalized, or terms of the trade." Zuttah has been a release candidate in Tampa and Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome is arguably the league's savviest shot caller, so we can't imagine the Bucs will be getting more than a sixth-round pick. Zuttah played below-average football in 2013, but was viewed as an ascending player before that and can play guard or center. He turns 28 in June. Zuttah's 2014 base salary is $4.5 million, so Baltimore will likely look to rework his deal.
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The Baltimore Sun reports the Ravens are expected to trade for Buccaneers C Jeremy Zuttah.
Per the Sun's Aaron Wilson, it's "unclear when the deal will be finalized, or terms of the trade." Zuttah has been a release candidate in Tampa and Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome is arguably the league's savviest shot caller, so we can't imagine the Bucs will be getting more than a sixth-round pick. Zuttah played below-average football in 2013, but was viewed as an ascending player before that and can play guard or center. He turns 28 in June. Zuttah's 2014 base salary is $4.5 million, so Baltimore will likely look to rework his deal.
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According to Jason La Canfora, Cleveland had shown interest in him as well.
Other teams have been interested in Zuttah as well (CLE for one) for his versatility. He's in final yr of his deal and TB reworking its OL.
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Zuttah is an AVG center, but it's still a smart deal by Ozzie. He just gets it. The Ravens had terrible center play last season and figured that upgrading to AVG is a good step forward without being forced to need draft. The kind of moves I wish we'd do. Low cost upgrades from terrible to acceptable....we still have "terrible" at QB, FB, WR2, OG, ILB2 and (not as bad but still below league AVG) at CB2 and FS....there were DOZENS upgrades to "acceptable" or AVG available. Ozzie even used a trade for one with a limited cap to work with. We can't even make use of millions of cap 
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He just gets it. The Ravens had terrible center play last season and figured that upgrading to AVG is a good step forward without being forced to need draft.
The kind of moves I wish we'd do. Low cost upgrades from terrible to acceptable....we still have "terrible" at QB, FB, WR2, OG, ILB2 and (not as bad but still below league AVG) at CB2 and FS....there were DOZENS upgrades to "acceptable" or AVG available. Ozzie even used a trade for one with a limited cap to work with. We can't even make use of millions of cap
I kinda think we are making those kinda moves...
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He just gets it. The Ravens had terrible center play last season and figured that upgrading to AVG is a good step forward without being forced to need draft.
The kind of moves I wish we'd do. Low cost upgrades from terrible to acceptable....we still have "terrible" at QB, FB, WR2, OG, ILB2 and (not as bad but still below league AVG) at CB2 and FS....there were DOZENS upgrades to "acceptable" or AVG available. Ozzie even used a trade for one with a limited cap to work with. We can't even make use of millions of cap
I kinda think we are making those kinda moves...
Exactly.
We made smart moves in signing Dansby, Whitner, Hawkins, Tate, and Dray. Trufant was a special teams addition .... so I'll say that was OK .... but for the most part I gave that a "meh" at best. Dansby definitely fits this defense better than DQ did. The powers that be obviously felt that Whitner fits better than Ward did. Hawkins should be a major improvement in the slot, and Tate is a huge step up from what we had most of last year. Dray is depth at TE. I don't know much about him, but he looks like a more well rounded backup TE than Barnidge.
We filled 4 major holes, and one backup spot. That's a pretty good 1st week of free agency. We talked to 4 or 5 other players, who, to the best of my knowledge haven't signed anywhere else yet, so maybe they were priced too high. Everyone was going gaga over Carrington, and he has had numerous visits, and hasn't signed yet. There has to be a reason why. Maybe his agent threw out a number that made teams throw up. We visited with a backup swing OL, probably on a par with O'Neil Cousins ...... and he left without a contract as well. No one else has rushed to pick him up before anyone else gets to him either. I suspect that we were kicking the tires on a few guys, and we'll see what happens as free agency rolls along. Everyone who pays one iota of attention to football knows that ther really are 4 phases of off-season football.
The 1st week or so of free agency.
Free agency after the frenzy dies down.
The Draft.
Free agency, cuts, and trades after the draft.
We have gone through 1 of 4 phases of off-season football. The way some people are acting, it would be like being tied in the 1st quarter, and proclaiming the season lost. 
Personally, I want to see how the rest of the off-season progresses before I call for people to be fired.
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We have signed signed or re-signed seven players. Three of them we paid a premium for (Whitner, Dansby, and Hawkins), three of them we paid what you would expect (Cundiff, Trufant, and Dray), and one we paid less than what you would expect (Tate).
Whitner and Dansby were either minor upgrades or not upgrades at all, depending on who you ask.
Hawkins might be an upgrade over Bess, but we really don't know yet.
Cundiff is a kicker.
Trufant is a special teams/depth signing and adds a little depth, he can probably play at the same level as Chris Owens.
Dray the same as Trufant, he can probably play at the same level as Barnidge.
Tate, if healthy, is a huge upgrade over anything we had on the roster last year and/or what we have on the roster now.
We still have a gaping hole at right guard. Some would say we also need to upgrade left guard and right tackle. If Mack leaves we are screwed. I am comfortable with waiting until the draft to address the WR2 position. We need another inside linebacker, I imagine that will be addressed through the draft as well. We probably also need another corner still. It looks like we are comfortable with Gibson at safety.
I would say we are only marginally better now than we were at the end of the season because of the Tate signing. From the outside looking in, it looks like the front office has pretty much completely ignored the guard position to this point in free agency (we did have McQuistan in for a visit). It seems like we tried to upgrade a corner but just failed.
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FA isn't over,, there are more folks out there to sign and we have 10 picks to address those needs, then there is UDFAs to go after and cut downs.
We have plenty of opportunity to get guys yet... And some of them are going to come at a good price. (seems like everyone is worried about price.)
Not sure why so many are panicking.. I mean, it's not like we have a game tomorrow or something. Sometimes I think that people just wanna complain to hear themselves type...LOL
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FA isn't over,, there are more folks out there to sign and we have 10 picks to address those needs, then there is UDFAs to go after and cut downs.
There are basically no starting guards still available in free agency. Django, I think, is saying that it is a lot to ask to fill all of our empty spots from this point on. We may be able to fill two or three. But to fill all of them through the remaining free agents, the draft, and rookie free agents is asking a lot.
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We should definitely get a few starters in the draft. But some people, including me, think we still have at least five positions of need.
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I can only speak for myself here. I am not panicking. I am just curious as to how these many holes will be filled.
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Ravens have signed, re-signed or traded for 8 players, most of them starters (6or7). The Giants have re-signed or signed 19 (!!) players....both teams had MUCH LESS cap space available and many less needs than us.
I guess Ozzie and Reese, two of the best GMs around for a long time now, must be idiots...because you know what? They tried to go into the draft with no urgent needs and now can go BPA and value hunting...as they always do. Our guys will get itchy fingers and do dumb stuff to secure their must have "need targets" because by the time of draft weekend their shorts are down to their ankles.
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My only guess is that they want to roll this cap room over to next year to sign Haden, Cameron, Taylor, Sheard, Skrine, and/or (in the best case scenario possible) Hoyer.
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I wanna like this front office. I wanna buck the trend of liking alternate regimes. I really do. But why the hell are we paying a fidget WR who has not done squat big time dollars while ignoring the OL when there were four guys who were available that would have fit in well w/a zone blocking system?
A non-productive WR and an oft-injured second string RB. No offensive linemen that will help.
Doesn't sound like a plan to me.
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I still don't see the plan.
To be fair, it is probably too early to be able to identify the plan. They just got here. I was just busting the chops of guys who were saying there was definitely a plan. They are full of crap. There is no evidence of a plan, yet.
And again, that is not to say there isn't a plan. I just had to call them out for making crap up.
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To be fair, it is probably too early to be able to identify the plan. They just got here. I was just busting the chops of guys who were saying there was definitely a plan. They are full of crap. There is no evidence of a plan, yet.
And again, that is not to say there isn't a plan. I just had to call them out for making crap up.
Vers...is there a plan or not?
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I don't know. I haven't seen one yet.
But again, that doesn't mean that there isn't one. Too early to tell.
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Wow. Can't even fathom how you'd come across if you didn't.
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btw...talent wise the Giants were in a mess. Yes, even worse than us...they however do have the QB and an aging D...I can Only imagine what you would have thought of Reese if he was here and he let his best DLman walk the last two years in a row.
btw...just a heads up. FB glaring need and we are failures???
1. I'm not sure we will carry a FB and will instead utilized Dray as an HB instead.
But we can get one any time any place if FB becomes a need. I know TATE has campaigned for Vickers.
OG...we got our two starters we need depth.
Little is not a bad choice for our #2...odds are the first two downs will be running downs - he is a big plus in that. When we get into a passing down situation. We will have Hawkins and Benjamin in there. If we upgrade in the draft we upgrade.
2. not sure if you are paying attention to me cause I did insult you a little in a previous post - mostly in fun but apologies if I hurt you in anyway not my purpose to post here and hurt.
3. Again I wish to bring up a fact. Brought to my attention by Polian on a radio talk show. The last 5 crowned Winners of the FA acquisition period - DID NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.
4. So the just enough we did is that wise or incompetence as you state.
5. You praise Ozzie and yet we were mentioned as being an interested party in acquiring the same guy.
Right now there is a fact we have to face. For the MAJORITY of the players out there in the NFL we are not attractive to them...to no fault of Farmer nor Pettine. so if one of the most stable franchises want him and we want him...and there is a restructure in the contract involved...Just who do you think will the Agent cooperate with? We showed the same foresight to pursue the guy. Yest you call us incompetent and praise Ozzie. I guess you think you would have pulled it off?
jmho - I know I deem myself and expert at OL and you at GM stuff. But I don't understand where your practicing of it can come from to deem an expert??? How many teams outside of Fantasy and Madden have you built? I understand and respect you having an opinion. But your posts are very critical on a subject I just don't see you having any experience on. I think the worst part is sometimes you actually are probably correct but it gets lost in the shuffle.  more compliment than negative there.
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I haven't been here for a month, but since Versatile is saying this, I guess that means the majority of this board likes the new FO. Saves me a lot of reading.
I'd say the majority are giving Farmer time to grow into his position while praying that Haslam learns what patience is.
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I find it funny how much doom and gloom goes on when nothing extremely positive or negative has occurred since Farmer has joined the team.
Positives
- We didn't overspend in free agency just because we had the cap.
- We let Ward/D'Qwell go and replaced them with players better fit for Mike Pettine's scheme.
- We applied the transition tag on Mack, saving at least some money and allowing
other teams with a need at center to address it elsewhere. This should lower Mack's value and position when we re-enter long term negotiations.
- We added a slot receiver with high upside, and took him from the Bengals.
- We added a potential 1,000+ yard back for a very reasonable price.
Negatives
- Right guard has not been addressed
- CB2 was not addressed
- Have not extended Haden, Cameron, Sheard, Taylor ETC. even though we have a pile of money to use this year
The biggest negative I can think of right now is that we may end up choosing a guard over a better player in the draft because we did not fill in our right guard position over free agency. If they think Pinkston can get the job done that would be great, but I am not sure if he is the answer.
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Not to hijack the thread, but I found this observation to be interesting.
This could very well be an example of the reason(s) we've had soooo many stories of in-fighting between FO & coaches in the past.
We all talk about "team chemistry" during the season, and usually it's in reference to the players on the field. It's apparent to me that "team chemistry" is cultivated at the top.. and if there's a disconnect/dysfunction up there, we've little chance to see quality down on the field.
Sometimes we fans take on a 'plug & play' mentality when talking about personnel. In the end, football is still a "people sport" requiring a high degree of communication, compromise and consensus (yeah, I dared to say it-) to achieve the team's goals.
I can't overstate how important it is to have 'all oars pulling together.' I know we've all heard the pretty speeches every time there's been a regime change , and I hope this new crop is different than the previous ones (who all said the same thing...).
It's still too danged early to tell with these guys, but the relatively quiet off-season (news/rumors/speculations-wise) give me hope....
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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