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How stupid is Gordon? Seriously?

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on all -bets are off last night Bruce was saying Josh had supper the night before with our new coach, wouldnt suprise me for him to tell Josh to say something like ya I'm sure the Browns are taking a QB at # 4, and they both sit there and laugh about it,

Smoke screen season...Phil Savage was on a NFL talk show about two weeks ago and said everything said is about smoke screen this time of year, than he went on to say, at this point we dont know who will be our # 1 we have a list of top 5 and than 5 after that but way to much will happen to say were doing this or that....

Everything's perfect. No concerns at all. Que Sera Sera.

. Never said that...more a sentence written by Spirit not you. Many here are making the moves and our position in a Urgent need. I see sights brought up ranking this player and that player well what happened to the sight that had us as the #5 OL unit in the NFL with some sort of sophisticated ranking system. Yes I understand the change of blocking scheme.

There are different levels of what you can do in that scheme with who you got. What you do is out of the draft pick up the perfect pieces you want. Instead of the little doggie in the window thing. Educate me on the guys we passed up that would have been PERFECT for our new Outside zone blocking scheme. I am not commenting much on them cause I've said it before I don't know many players outside of the Browns at least not well enough to say one way or another. If there were some perfect FA that we should have picked up let me know. I mentioned Beadles cause of systems he came from. Yet you have to wonder is that another teams LAVA.

Also in my Homer world I think Pinkston is a different player. I know he has trimmed down. He looked quicker and in good shape the little I saw of him last season. I also did see him talking with the young OLmen in a leadership role. At the game I did attend. I got to give him a good look in the preseason. But we might have passed on some FA opportunities cause they simply didn't give that much of an upgrade for the $$$ to be spent.

We will have a different look on OL.

Zone blocking is a technique in American football that is a simple and effective scheme for creating lanes for running plays.

In a zone blocking scheme, fleet-footedness and athletic ability trump size as desirable qualities in offensive linemen. Coordination and technique matter more than muscle in implementing a successful scheme because defensive linemen are often double-teamed at the point of attack. In this blocking scheme which takes much from the Veer blocking system, creating movement on the defensive line is more important than opening a specific hole in the defense

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_blocking

Report that Jones-Drew and Oakland are agreeing to terms:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/28/report-raiders-maurice-jones-drew-agree-to-terms/

Sucks to be a running back in today's NFL market!

Moreno gets a 1 year deal.Man, solid runner and plus level receiver ..... and he got a 1 year deal. I really wish that we would have signed him along with Tate ..... but RB probably feel that if a team has already signed a top RB, they don't need 2. Not in today's NFL world.

Report: Dolphins, RB Knowshon Moreno agree to one-year deal - CBSSports.com
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foot...o-one-year-deal

More than two weeks into free agency, one of the best young running backs finally found a home. Broncos' 2010 first-round pick Knowshon Moreno signed a one-year deal with the Dolphins, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.

While players like Ben Tate, Rashad Jennings, Toby Gerhart and Donald Brown signed multi-year contracts, a market never developed for Moreno.

Now he'll join a Dolphins team that has been busy adding warm bodies for a second straight off-season. Coming off a disappointing 8-8 season, Miami has also signed left tackle Branden Albert, safety Louis Delmas, cornerback Cortland Finnegan, nose tackle Earl Mitchell and guard Shelley Smith (and they re-signed cornerback Brent Grimes and defensive lineman Randy Starks.)

Moreno had his best NFL season in 2013, rushing for 1,038 yards (4.3 YPC) with 10 TDs, as well as 548 receiving yards (60 receptions) and 3 TDs. He ranked sixth in Football Outsiders' running back efficiency metric, just behind Marshawn Lynch. Of course, some of that success had to do with playing in Peyton Manning's offense. The fact that there was little interest on the open market -- and that the running back position is obsolescent -- suggests that teams aren't convinced he can replicate that production elsewhere.

Either way, these are tears of joy.

If people that are ripping the Tate signing because of his injury history, those same people would flip out based on Moreno's injury history...

Yeah, he did only play 15 games in 2 seasons.

Then again, though, a guy like DQ missed 2 years (minus 6 games) with injuries, and managed to come back .... so who knows?

Moreno does have twice as many carries as Tate, so the wear and tear factor is definitely there. (even though 845 carries in 5 seasons isn't much)

I'm fully aware what a zone blocking scheme is...now you got to look up OUTSIDE - Zone blocking scheme.

My point is we got a good OL. Do you change the entire unit in scheme without the proper talent? Or do you phase it in. While you draft the proper talent to fill the upgrades needed.

Also by your interpretation noted, is why I am saying I think we might be pleasantly surprised with Pinkston from what I saw from him late last season in his come back.

But you won't bring in Outside Zone Blocking scheme 2.2 in and run it without the talent to run it. My point is we will start with a dummied down version to comply with what we got here. If they can show the ability to take it a step further. Possibly Greco and Pinkston can handle it???

What I do know is the drafted talent in available in this class is very very good for what we would want. Where in the draft might determine our expectations of them contributing.

jmho

tab, I have made multiple posts about Beadles and Asamoah. And you already know for yourself that Schwartz was another zone blocking guy.

Beadles was very effective as a guard in Denver's zone blocking scheme. Asamoah has excellent agility, great lateral movement, and gets to the second level extremely well. I was kinda bad-mouthing Schwartz because I was sure we were grabbing a guard in free agency and I preferred both Beadles and Asamoah over Schwartz. But heck, I would have gladly taken Schwartz if the other two were unavailable.

tab, no disrespect intended and hopefully there are no hard feelings, but I totally disagree w/you on our OL being fine in a zone blocking scheme. Our guards are not agile. Schwartz is not a gem. He got so much help last year after his shaky start. We used TE's to help all the time and even the backs were chipping frequently.

I'm telling you, as of right now................our OL is a concern.

Don't forget the fact that Beadles wears "Ellen" underwear

“You want to get the best O-linemen possible,” Shanahan said. “You want guys who can come off the ball, guys who can run numbers-to-numbers, but you want those guys as big as possible while they’ve still got some quickness, reach people and create space for a back.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...5a-d50c0de80b0e

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Man Maurice Jones Drew got sliced in terms of money:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/31/mjds-compensation-gets-cut-in-half/

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Running back Maurice Jones-Drew wasn’t happy with a Jaguars contract that paid him $4.45 million in 2012 and $4.95 million in 2013. He can’t be thrilled, then, about his how first foray into free agency finished.

Per a source with knowledge of the contract details, Jones-Drew’s three-year contract with the Raiders has an annual average value of only $2.5 million.

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Ouch for such a top quality RB. I wonder how much All-Day would go for in this current RB undervalued market?

I just think Jones-Drew has slipped a lot, much like Ray Rice.

Yeah actually last two years he hasn't broke 1000 yards but the Jags offense as a whole has been quite dismal. Him and McFadden should be serviceable for Oakland though... a cheap service lol.

Yeah, as long as they can stay healthy, which is not a given.

and then there is this...

from Dianna Marie Russini (NBC sports anchor in Washington)

"Per sources: DeSean Jackson has 2 teams making offers. I'm told Cleveland Browns are 1 and they are going hard with offer. #Browns

Didn't see that coming.

Wow say what? I'm not sure I'll be able to listen to any of his interviews... if he has it his way, he's going to get a huge payday and it won't be in the form of a production/incentive based either.

Everything I've read says DeSean Jackson to Washington is a done deal.

Whoever signs him will have to pay him well. No small-dollar or "performance-based" contracts will do here. The guy is proven to be a dominant #1, and he's not old. Those guys are going to get paid, and that's all there is to it. He knows it, and everyone else knows it.

If the Browns were to land him, I do hope that it's a relatively short-term deal. These guys don't hit FA like this for no reason (and I don't think the explanation of 'Chip Kelly being Chip Kelly' is the reason). If worst-case happens, we'll have to bite the bullet with his contract, but I just want to bite it for too long.

Good observation. That would not surprise me.

Remember to take anything that you hear today with a grain of salt. It is April Fool's Day.

Don't know much about him, but thought this was worthy of a post. Would he be worth looking at for a starting Guard for us?

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Guard Mike Brisiel signed a five-year, $20 million contract with Oakland in 2012. He's not going to see the final three years of that deal.

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The Raiders announced they have released Brisiel, who was set to make $3.85 million in base salary. The move will save $1.38 million in salary cap space unless Brisiel is designated as a post-June 1 cut, according to Brian McIntyre.

Brisiel started all 30 games he played over the last two seasons, but the Raiders indicated he would have to compete for playing time this year. And $4 million is too much for a guard not guaranteed to have a job. Perhaps the Raiders just needed a little more salary cap room to make their move for DeSean Jackson.

Looking at his bio, he also played center in NFL Europe.

I don't know if he fits our scheme or not...he is 6'5", 310.

I am sure Farmer will investigate he guy. I could see us at least giving him a look.

My bud who is an Oakland fan says he's a highly paid backup level talent. Pretty much what the article said, getting a lot of money for not knowing if he'll start or not as his starter position wasn't solidified. plus the Raiders axed him with three years on the contract and Oakland's line hasn't been much positive to talk about... if Oakland doesn't want him, doubt we should want him... we need people that can beat out Jason Pinkston, not be in the same level talent boat as him...


JMO

Good point. We need a quality starter at OG......not another guy like Pink who might be or might not be serviceable.

What is their blocking scheme and how are they using him.

That might not make sense but it might.

If his skill-set fits a zone blocking scheme well but they're using him in a man scheme that might explain his struggles. He might be worth a look.

Stromboli....ok you made me hungry...been awhile since I had a good Stromboli...


I know you know this, I'm not telling you anything you dont already know, but during an interview on STO with Farmer about a week before FA, Farmer said with FA also comes another season it's called clearing the cap season, Farmer added that not only are there FA out thier to study & sign but some high end players also end up getting cut to make room for newly signed players so with that every player who gets released, cut what ever one wants to call it is eligible to sign, the Browns do thier due diligents with that player, some players they know right away their a no and others they look deeper, depending on the situation, but every player is looked at.

Now time to go get some Stromboli, maybe a peperoni sausage and three cheese.

Agent: it's only a "matter of time" before the organization cuts ties with Chris Johnson.

It'll be interesting to see what type of contract he accepts when/if he's cut as he wants big money, but clearly the RB market has offered nothing in regards to that.

J/C ....

Evidently, he has battled a ton of injuries in his 2 years in Oakland. He's a quality playe when healthy.and more than willing to play hurt, but he has been hurt most of the past 2 seasons. Evidently he has also considered retirement.

Raiders' bottom FA signings: Mike Brisiel - Oakland Raiders Blog - ESPN
http://espn.go.com/blog/oakland-raiders/post/_/id/3887/raiders-bottom-fa-signings-mike-brisiel

Last month, with the Oakland Raiders immersed in free agency, we broke out a list of the top five free-agent signings in franchise history, moving up from Jerry Rice to John Matuszak to Rich Gannon to George Blanda to Jim Plunkett.

So in the interest of, ahem, fair play, we figured it only right to look at the flip side of free agency in Silver and Blackdom. It’s not pretty.

Checking in at No. 5 on the bottom five Raiders free-agent signings is right guard Mike Brisiel…

Too soon? Perhaps. Because it was not as if Brisiel was terrible; far from it. He was an absolute warrior for Oakland in his two years, fighting through countless injuries. Through the week, he could barely move in the Raiders' locker room, yet there he was on Sunday. He only missed two games in two years.

But he was not terribly effective. Again, not entirely his fault.

You see, Brisiel was the centerpiece of cash-strapped general manager Reggie McKenzie’s first free-agent class, signing a five-year, $20 million contract in 2012 to help with the Raiders’ transition to a zone-blocking scheme with Greg Knapp at offensive coordinator. It was a move made by then-rookie coach Dennis Allen that backfired.

Brisiel, who had been a dependable run-blocker with the Houston Texans, was hampered by an ankle injury that required surgery in the offseason and the Raiders' run game had trouble adjusting to the new scheme as running back Darren McFadden averaged a career-low 3.3 yards per carry.

Brisiel restructured his contract in 2013 and the Raiders, under new O.C. Greg Olson, started to show more power blocking, which was not exactly Brisiel’s strong suit. But Brisiel never complained. He just went about his business and, in Week 6 at the Kansas City Chiefs, Brisiel was pressed into service at center with Stefen Wisniewski already out with a knee injury and Andre Gurode tweaking a knee in the game.

Brisiel said after the game he had last played center in 2007, “in NFL Europe. Maybe in preseason, but not in an NFL game.”

“Mike Brisiel,” quarterback Terrelle Pryor said at the time, “he could barely walk. But I appreciate him.”

Such was Brisiel’s legacy in Oakland.

The Raiders began rebuilding their O-line in free agency, adding Donald Penn, Kevin Boothe and Austin Howard while re-signing Khalif Barnes and still having Wisniewski, Menelik Watson, Tony Bergstrom, Matt McCants and Lamar Mady on the roster.

The writing was on the wall. While many thought Brisiel might retire, the Raiders instead cut him on Monday.