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I have tried to keep an open mind about Derek Carr even though every time I look deeper I see the same things.
Here is what the pro day will not show you:
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Duplicate thread? I think it's already being discussed here: https://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1129888/an/0/page/0#Post1129888okay, kidding. Wasn't Carr the guy that Farmer was speaking about being the one QB he really wants from the group? At least rumored to be. I don't know much of anything about him. I think I only saw him play 1-2 games. Nothing jumped out at me to say, "this is a first rounder!". I think I'm leaning towards Bortles or Sammy Watkins.
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Wasn't Carr the guy that Farmer was speaking about being the one QB he really wants from the group? At least rumored to be.
We don't know who he was talking about.
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Wasn't Carr the guy that Farmer was speaking about being the one QB he really wants from the group? At least rumored to be.
We don't know who he was talking about.
that was some media guy who said he was probably speaking of Carr. Farmer never named any names.. Which, when you think about it, is the right thing to do at this point.
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Chris Carr just retired.
I prefer him over Derek. Maybe we can talk him out of it.
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Is anybody really in love with Carr?
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His wife, I would hope.
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Thanks for the heads up. Your video is not the one.
There is some problem with site video for right now. The link is good. the site access is messed up right now. I will try later to see if it is corrected. right now if you go to the web site the access there is not currently working.
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His wife, I would hope.
She said he panics under pressure and gets rid of it too quickly too. 
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A quick release might be something to look for in a QB though. Brandon Weeden's wife's scouting report said he held on to it for too long, and would often wind up on his back.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/y54EIciZvTEthere is the correct link, you copied too much from the address.
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please please please NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he can not take pressure in the pocket
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I don't mind Derek Carr. He'll be better than Bridgewater or Manziel.
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I don't mind Derek Carr. He'll be better than Bridgewater or Manziel.
I think the big 3 may well be eclipsed by a few others myself.
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I don't mind Derek Carr. He'll be better than Bridgewater or Manziel.
I think the big 3 may well be eclipsed by a few others myself.
Of the 'big 3', the only one that I see that is worth drafting before the 4th round is Bortles.
I like Carr, Mettenberger, Murray and Fales more than I like Bridgewater & Manziel.
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If there was ever a QB that you can watch his feet and know it was a great pass or a bad one it is Carr. When he sets his feet he reminds me of Marino and dont say that lightly, his passes are flawless. When he doesnt set his feet he can be ok at best or terrirble at worst. this is a problem with most big armed QBs as they think they can just arm it to where they want it to go and there goes the accuracy.
I dont really think it is the pressure thing as much as it hurrying the process. Scared QBs take sacks, he doesnt take sacks. he gets the ball out quickly and on his bad throws it is when he gets it out to quickly.
hell his accuracy when rushed is still every bit as good as what I have seen from Bortles when not rushed.
I dont think he will be a Brown as he will fall between our picks but I do like him enough to take him at 4. I also feel he could be the first QB taken unless Johny football shows us something at his proday and private workouts.
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Never, ever draft a QB who lacks guts and is not willing to stand in the pocket to deliver tough throws.
We have done it multiple times and it has killed us each time. Timid, BQ, and Weeden.
Carr is a wuss! He has skills, but he is afraid. Others will take the blame for him just as they did w/the three fraud qbs I mentioned earlier.
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At least Carr didnt get nervous and wet himself during his pro day lol
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Again, you value pro days over game performances. You value size and arm strength over intelligence and moxie.
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I don't think Bridgewater stunk. I just think he had his worst day on the one day he couldn't afford to have his worst day.
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Good performances at Pro-days don't mean anything. You're SUPPOSED to look good as it's set up for you show off. But when you blow off throwing at the combine because your PD workout can be perfect....it raises questions when it isn't. Doesn't mean you shouldn't draft him if you were completely CERTAIN about him prior to the PD workout. Just means you have to go back and reassure yourself he is what you thought. He sure didn't handle the pressure very well that day though. And what's worse? He's making excuses.... not wearing a glove was the problem....
He worries me. If they take him, I'll be fine with it and pray to all the football Gods he is the answer(and his slight frame doesn't get him killed. But if they pass I won't blame them. Everyone of the QB's in this draft is risky for one reason or the other. Bridgewater and Johnny F are slight in stature. Bortles didn't play a lot against big time competition. This one is a crap shoot.... One, none or all of them could excel or flat out bust. That's why if they do go another direction it's understandable. Your first draft you sure don't want to spend #4 on a bust. If they take Carr at #26 and he doesn't work out? Not as big a deal.
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If they take Carr at #26 and he doesn't work out? Not as big a deal.
It will be if anybody you passed on at 4 does work out.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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If they take Carr at #26 and he doesn't work out? Not as big a deal.
It will be if anybody you passed on at 4 does work out.
Wow, another Weeden? 
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It will be if anybody you passed on at 4 does work out.
Wow, another Weeden?
Not really, can Carr hit skeet with a football? 
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Derek Carr has it all going for him. He has put up real good numbers. He looked great at the Senior Bowl practices. He showed athleticism at the combine. He has a real good arm with a quick release. He has mobility. He has a brother who was the number one pick in the draft to mentor him. He is a smart kid with good leadership skills. He gives a great interview. He says all the things you want a quarterback prospect to say. Threw the hell out it on his pro day.
However, the "game tape" shows how he plays the game of football:
He backs off his throws. His timing is poor. He misses throws that are layups. His accuracy is inconsistent. The reason is because his footwork is all over the place. The reason his footwork is poor is because he moves his feet when he "senses" pressure; not when pressure is necessarily there. He lacks poise and instinct.
Compare his game tape to Bridgewater's game tape. No comparison really. Bridgewater is a natural. He plays the game with poise and confidence. He is extremely instinctual. He reads the game around him. He moves with purpose. He reads the defense. He is accurate to all parts of the field. He displays vision and can go through progressions. He handles pressure with calmness and makes good decisions.
But damn, he missed some throws on his pro day, in shorts, under no pressure, with nobody covering the receivers. He threw 65 passes at his pro day. Even though he completed 57, because he missed badly on some ( and those were shown a hundred times) and because "some" of the media thought he should have done better well "his stock is slipping".
Three years of game film with continuous improvement over that time. Bowl game MVP's, highest accuracy rating, documented toughness, leadership confirmed by all players and coaches, zero off field incidents. White board master by all accounts. Shows exceptional knowledge of the game by all accounts.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/19956...e-the-no-1-pick
Wash all that away he didn't look so good on his pro day.
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Funny, I think this is one of the things he has going against him.
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I really, really liked Carr at the start of all this. I think he has a good family situation, I think he has the arm strength and I think he has the smarts. Nothing however scares me more than hearing a guy is afraid to get hit. You know who was terrified of getting hit, Weeden. He also had a strong arm, also came from a spread, one read system.
I'd be leery of carr.
Also, if we pass on a top QB for a freaking WR, I don't care how talented he is, I am going to throw up and throw a temper tantrum.
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Funny, I think this is one of the things he has going against him.
in fans eyes, I think that is going against him. I would hope that teams/scouts are not taking that into consideration.
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I don't mean in terms of perception... I see him slinking around the sidelines in his sunglasses going over and getting in his ear at different points and it seems like Derek wants him to go away. I also would not be surprised if that's who advised him to not throw at the combine.
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j/c...
I only saw one game of Carr as his name was coming up late in the season and wanted to see who this great QB was.
I was not impressed at all. But it was one game.
One thing I'm pretty sure of - he will sit and get a lot of work on his technique including his foot work, Drops, hitch step - a lot of the other things he'll have to play a little to work on. But some technical stuff he can fix and become a better QB.
If that is the plan I'll see it. This is the first time we would draft a QB with a guy we feel comfortable with as the starter so said QB will not be rushed. Not talking about BQ he's an exception I guess many teams just didn't believe in him and maybe a worse pick than Weeden even.
Vers - don't wish to renew the wars so I will be very brief with this statement. Tim Couch never had an underbelly of a pocket to throw in...Never in his career here. If he stepped up he was killed. Look at his injuries all from the Lack of a pocket what so ever. Guts or not...I would go there if he was still on this team. He is not, so whatever you wish to say on that...no big deal.
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Never, ever draft a QB who lacks guts and is not willing to stand in the pocket to deliver tough throws.
We have done it multiple times and it has killed us each time. Timid, BQ, and Weeden.
Carr is a wuss! He has skills, but he is afraid. Others will take the blame for him just as they did w/the three fraud qbs I mentioned earlier.
Cancerous.
If Vers is right, then all the "upside" yada yada doesn't really mean anything. Anything but another wasted 3-5 years.
He is right. I've watched Carr for four years. Watched DA live in college for two years. These guys are who they are. They don't just change! Harbaugh did perform a miracle with Kapernick, but those instances are very far and few between. Brady, Kap, we are all hoping and the odds are really against us.
Trade out and get somebodies #1 next year, and then draft at least 3-4 real football players with the remaining picks we have. That is my plan. My plan, and a buck fifty will get you a bus ride anywhere in Cleveland.
If we get Teddy or Johnny with #4 I will support until the last breath, but I want a 6 4' guy who is a real quarterback and is mobile -- not named Bortles.
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No homo, but I'm in love with Carr. I was high on him at the start of the season and he has proved me right. I think he can be had at 26 and sit and learn this year. People want to say "he can't change, gunslinger, afraid of contact, blah blah blah" but I really like this kid. He has a super quick release and when his mechanics are good he is one of the most accurate QBs around. Let him sit for a year and work on his mechanics. Yes, I love Carr and I hope we draft him at 26. For anybody that cares about pro days, he did pretty darn good and was IN THE HOSPITAL with the flu the night before: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...rsdays-pro-daysI especially like the comment at the end "Carr is the most polished passer from the pocket."
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Please tell me you're younger than 16.
They say the key to grabbing the interest of readers is to have an interesting opening. This qualified.
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I think he reminds me of a Jay Cutler type, and would have to sit for a couple years for a learning curve.
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The Carr situation reminds me a lot of Tannehill. The media appear afraid to say that the kid is a top 10 pick. Most dont have him as a first rounder and yet I think he very well could be the top QB off the board. They are equally afraid to downgrade the guy they had #1 for the year. Really makes no sense but in the next few weeks as team interest peaks, you will see him jump into top 5 in mocks. I think he is a strong consideration at 4 to the Browns and 5 to the Raiders. Would not get past the Vikings at 8.
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