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With all do respect, I'm so tired of the Browns drafting Cornerbacks, I feel like 75% of all the picks since 99 have been cornerbacks. So I hope they don't take a corner anytime remaining in this draft or with either of the 2 #1's next year.
So talk about last night.
The Pluses and Minuses of Farmers first night, or first, first round .
Pluses, They got 2 players, one of them a quarterback, and traded down picking up a 1st and a 4th in 2015. Another plus, they got at #22 a player they should have taken at #4, or 9, or 8. Another, The trade down to 9 really worked out for them, it was a great move. And getting the Qb outside of the top 10 will help contract wise.
Minuses, The player they got at #8, is a Cornerback, and may not be as good as another at his position who went later to Cincinnati, (we will find out later).
Going into this draft they had 10 picks and 5 of the first 85. They lost 2 picks and one of them of those first 85, I think. Another, trading from 9 to 8 and giving up a pick for that, turned out, in my opinion, to be a loss. A loss because you don't trade up for a corner, or a player who would be there 6 pics later probably, or look where Cincy got Denard.
The other minus is putting yourself in position to not get the quarterback, and also trading up, and losing the pick to go from 26-22 for a player who was in your lap at #4 overall.
The bottom line, for me, is this question.
Will Justin Gilbert be worth the making of the 2 trades up, which had the loses of 2 picks, and the potential loss of the Quarterback?
So, on the night, they saved money by taking a Quarterback outside of the top 10 picks. But as a Fan, I don't give a rip about that.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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The bottom line, for me, is this question.
Will Justin Gilbert be worth the making of the 2 trades up, which had the loses of 2 picks, and the potential loss of the Quarterback?
What on earth are you talking about?? We gave up one pick (a 5th rounder of all things) to get Gilbert, and got our choice at 22 of all three QBs that were available when we picked 4th.
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In all my NFL draft days...attending and/or watching on TV - I cannot remember a UNIVERSAL Cheering from the crowd when they called his name and when he walked out. Even Tebow there was a smattering of boos w/cheers. JM...nothing but Pop Idol like cheers. Not only is he a good Prospect and I think his success rate is high obviously from my signature 
But can you imagine when this team of destiny wins the Super Bowl in a year or two? He will be the most dynamic Sports star around...we better make him a Brown for LIFE!!!
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The bottom line, for me, is this question.
Will Justin Gilbert be worth the making of the 2 trades up, which had the loses of 2 picks, and the potential loss of the Quarterback?
What on earth are you talking about?? We gave up one pick (a 5th rounder of all things) to get Gilbert, and got our choice at 22 of all three QBs that were available when we picked 4th.
He's saying we should have taken Manziel at 9. We traded up from 9 to 8 and traded up from 26 to 22 because we drafted Gilbert first and not Manziel at 9. "Is Gilbert worth that?" It actually makes sense.
For the record, I think yes.
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With all do respect, I'm so tired of the Browns drafting Cornerbacks, I feel like 75% of all the picks since 99 have been cornerbacks. So I hope they don't take a corner anytime remaining in this draft or with either of the 2 #1's next year.
So talk about last night.
The Pluses and Minuses of Farmers first night, or first, first round .
Pluses, They got 2 players, one of them a quarterback, and traded down picking up a 1st and a 4th in 2015. Another plus, they got at #22 a player they should have taken at #4, or 9, or 8. Another, The trade down to 9 really worked out for them, it was a great move. And getting the Qb outside of the top 10 will help contract wise.
Minuses, The player they got at #8, is a Cornerback, and may not be as good as another at his position who went later to Cincinnati, (we will find out later).
Going into this draft they had 10 picks and 5 of the first 85. They lost 2 picks and one of them of those first 85, I think. Another, trading from 9 to 8 and giving up a pick for that, turned out, in my opinion, to be a loss. A loss because you don't trade up for a corner, or a player who would be there 6 pics later probably, or look where Cincy got Denard.
The other minus is putting yourself in position to not get the quarterback, and also trading up, and losing the pick to go from 26-22 for a player who was in your lap at #4 overall.
The bottom line, for me, is this question.
Will Justin Gilbert be worth the making of the 2 trades up, which had the loses of 2 picks, and the potential loss of the Quarterback?
So, on the night, they saved money by taking a Quarterback outside of the top 10 picks. But as a Fan, I don't give a rip about that.
Your analysis reminds me of Joe Banner, thank God he's gone.
A shut down corner, possible franchise QB, and a 1rst round pick next year.
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Have to agree that while it seems like we draft many CB's, The Lions had a much worse notoriety for drafting wideouts, but no one makes fun of that now with Megatron lined up wide. In this new passing league we have corners are exceedingly important.
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5 WRs, 5 DBs, 5 potential LTs, 3 QBs taken in the first round, zero running backs again.. hard to deny.
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are you sure? i just dont see his run first mentality doig very well in the nfl.....just ask rg3
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Manziel isn't a run-first guy. He's not even really a runner.
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Manziel's whole career and his effectiveness in the NFL might hinge on how quickly he can learn to trust his OL and trust his pocket for just a second longer than he did at Texas A&M..
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I have vague recollections of similar proclamations following Day 1 of the 2007 Draft when we nabbed Joe Thomas and Colt McCoy.
Fast forward 70% of a decade and Joe T is closer to retirement than his beginning and we still haven't found a QB or left behind our "expansion team" baggage.
I like how the day looks on paper, but I will contentedly maintain a "Now prove it to me" attitude toward these guys. February through August doesn't matter worth squat if September through January always looks the same.
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5 WRs, 5 DBs, 5 potential LTs, 3 QBs taken in the first round, zero running backs again.. hard to deny.
9 DBs, actually... 5 CB 4 S.
To see that it's a passing league, look no further than Philly. They've got absolutely nothing at Nose Tackle, yet they passed on Nix who is probably the best option at the thin position in this draft to take another pass rusher.
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I will remember this night because it is the night we got Buffalo first round pick. If we are even mediocre next year and Buffalo is bad we are set up tremendously for the future. If we are good and Buffalo is mediocre we are set up tremendously for the future. If we are bad and Buffalo is good we are set up tremendously for the future.
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Yes, I would say those are VERY vague recollections...
All the bad QBs just kind of blend together.. 
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This is the first high draft pick on a CB since Haden. Where are you guys getting we draft too many cb's? Its usually pretty standard for teams to draft atleast 1 cb high or low in a draft.
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How drunk were you that night Purp?
lol, Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy... same thing
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Just so you know, he was specifically *not* caught taking anything and that witchunt was completely false. I think the $$ sign is goofy too, but allegedly it started by other players as 'sprinkling the magic', not 'rubbing the money'.
He does have attitude and fame, you'll have to take that, but you wont care once he's on the field. He made nfl bound defenders look like complete fools his entire career. He is a football giant and will probably be an nfl legend, even playing in that division of tough weather and defenses.
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Well, he needs to beat out the current starter, first. Let's see how that goes before we get too far ahead of ourselves....
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I feel like Al Pachino watching him run with the ball..
"Its not a loaf of bread!"
I also hate that all they show is highlights of him running the ball.
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Unfortunately, If the Browns offense sputters in early season, everyone will be clamoring for Manziel...and I think he needs at least a year of coaching and maturing (physically and mentally). The money sign was dumb while he was walking across the stage. His team mates certainly didn't like such a selfish display and what was he signaling..."I lost $10M being signed at 22?"
That said I'm okay with the pick because the hype is awesome for Cleveland football.
Give him a clipboard and a year. Get him the most concussion proof helmet available. Go ahead and replace all his knee ligaments with kevlar. Opponents DE's and linebackers are going to be gunning for him. Safeties will be baiting him.
I hope Hoyer has such a great year, Manziel only plays the role of the closer in games out of reach.
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We were calling him "Brady Football", "Johnny Quinn", and "Colt Manziel" at the draft day party, and laughing a bunch at the camera work as he got passed over and dropped. And then The Pick. I still say I have some problems with what I have seen of him. But i will root for him when he gets in and want to seew some preseason for sure. Welcome aboard, JM. Welcome to Cleveland, and good luck. While munching a bunch of crow, I remind meself of being careful what you wish for . .. .   
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The money sign was dumb while he was walking across the stage. His team mates certainly didn't like such a selfish display and what was he signaling..."I lost $10M being signed at 22?"
There is a video clip of him answering a question and explaining that hand gesture on NFL.com and it has nothing to do with money...
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Just to be clear, on this mornings presser, MKC asked JM about the sign he gave. Manziel said it was initially a sort of hand shake he and one of his teammates came up with that was initially between just the two of them on the field. It just started getting noticed and he started bringing to the fans during the last year. It doesn't really mean anything.
Of course that could just be the PR prep statement he was given to ward off any follow up questions.
JM seems to realize his position at the moment and is not showing, at least to me, to be a prima donna type. Everyone on the news channels and in the sports articles stated his teammates liked and respected him. I liked how he dismissed the QB competition as what it is, him and Hoyer being teammates vying for the same starting position. He is and will be his teammate and will learn from and respect him for that. Nothing but class there in my opinion. He is growing on me as I really didn't want him. However, I am going to give him props when he does well and critic him when he does something dumb same as anyone else at that position.
Good luck to both him and Hoyer. May the best QB "EARN" the starting spot.
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very true, but let me give you guys something to be excited about, both objective and subjective. Obviously I am a fan, so take the subjective for what it is, but you can't argue much with numbers.
1. As one who has seen both players, in person, against the same defenses, Manziel is better, right now, at everything, than RG3 was when he came to the NFL. There is a funny story about TAMU's scout team under Manziel, getting the defense ready to play RG3 during RG's heisman campaign; Manziel was just tearing them up both running and passing during the week. The DC was screaming at guys and pulling his hair; ' if you morons cant stop this true fish scout team QB, what the hell is Baylor's Heisman campaign QB going to do to you saturday!?'
After the first few series stomping RG3 into the turf, those boys came back laughing, saying RG3 ain't got squat on that little white boy on the scout team! They beat BU soundly that day.
2. You can go check out CFBSTATS.com to confirm, but this guy is IMO the greatest college QB of all time, hampered somewhat by a poor choice of offensive coordinator in 2013 (who was demoted at the end of the year). Certainly, he DRAMATICALLY outperformed Cam Newton and Tebow, and has none of the obvious skillset deficiencies that Tebow's game had.
Do yourself a favor and go back and watch the last half of his 2012 year. The '13 season is fine and all, but his coordinator really gacked the schemes and playcalls.
Manziel, in his last 2 games against top ranked opponents, (No. 10 Oklahoma and No. 1 Alabama)...
1,078 total yards
751 yards passing
327 yards rushing
9 TDs
3 INT's (2 of which hit his WR's in the hands)
Most total yards ever in Cotton Bowl
Most total yards ever against Alabama
Johnny averaged 8.06 yards per play.
In his first year for A&M, Manziel's 5,116 total yards were the most ever gained by a player in a single season in SEC history.
Manziel's 393.5 yards per game average is also a conference record.
He compiled the first, second and tenth biggest SEC games in terms of total yardage -- ever - all in his first season.
His 1,410 rushing yards rank 19th all time on the single-season list for the league, and his 3,706 yards passing was the eight-best year the SEC has ever seen. Keep in mind that those SEC teams he was facing were LOADED with soon to be NFL defenders. They get bigger in the NFL, but they don't get much faster with age.
The REALLY incredible thing with Manziel is his game under pressure.
His conversion rate on third down was more than TWICE as good as the Heisman season third down conversion rates of Tebow, Newton, and Griffin.
His conversion rate on 3rd down and 7 or more yards to go was more than TWICE as good as any other offense in the entire history of college ball for which stats exist on the internet.... that goes back to 1959.
NCAA records & notes
FBS Freshman record: rushing yards by a quarterback, season (1,343)
FBS Freshman record: total offense, season (5,116)
Most games with 300+ passing yards and 100+ rushing yards, career (3)
FBS record: First Freshman (and 5th player ever) in FBS history with 3,000 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards, season
FBS record: Rushing yards by a Quarterback in a Bowl Game (229 yards)
SEC records & notes
Most yards total offense in a game (576, breaking Archie Manning's 1969 record)
The first 3 spots on the SEC total offense in a game
Most yards total offense, season (5,116, breaking Cam Newton's 2010 record in two fewer games)
Most yards total offense, game average (383.3)
Highest yards per play average (50 plays minimum), game (10.71)
First SEC quarterback to pass for 3,000 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in one season
Hang on, this is going to be fun, and you have a lot of new Browns fans.
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The only thing I will think is how bad this draft went.
We could have had watkins at #1 WR, fuller at CB, and jimmy garappolo as our QB.
Yes, we got a good CB, and a first for next year but who is going to score our points?
Fuller will be just as good a CB.
Jimmy will be Tom Brady's replacement and we could have had him here. Bill said he was the best QB in the draft and by God he went and got him.
Instead be got Manziel who will be a broken boy toy in 3 years from now. No #1 WR. Only 1 mediocre HB.
WHO IS GOING TO SCORE THE POINTS?!!! YOU CAN'T WIN IF YOU CAN'T FUGGING SCORE!!!
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I will remember last night as the one night I got to be genuinely excited about the Browns' future since before they got their asses kicked opening week against the Steelers in 1999.
The league didn't know about Gordon's suspension before the draft yesterday? Really?
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The league clearly knew. They informed Gordon in April.
They're not allowed to discuss or comment on such matters.
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The league clearly knew. They informed Gordon in April.
They're not allowed to discuss or comment on such matters.
I don't mean in public. I mean to the Browns.
The Browns knew about this well before yesterday.
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We aren't reaching for a WR and some of these guys are freaking out about it. I don't care if Gordon is suspended or not........still take that trade last night regardless. As a matter of fact, with the exception of maybe Lee over Bitonio (and I love JB) there isn't a pick in the first 3 I would change.
You don't change your plan because a kid is an idiot. He wasn't Farmer's mistake he was Heckerts.........pick a stud WR next year and move on. No need to change the plan.
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Again, for Browns fans, Day One of the draft is not like Christmas Day, with lots of fun presents to open and use the next year(s). It's like New Year's Eve: euphoria, hope, joy, giddy intoxication; but then New Year's Day comes, and the headaches, hangovers, and disappointment. New QB, no receivers to throw to. <sigh> I'm gettin' too old for this ...
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Mort reports that Burleson broke his arm at Browns mini camp  You can't make this stuff up, Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl 2m Jeez: @mortreport just said Nate Burleson broke his arm during the recent minicamp for the #Browns.
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