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Gotta say, the pick of Manziel is already paying dividends... no way two of the top 10 receivers in the FBS would have signed with us as UDFA without him.
I think the Gordon issue caught their attention as well.
Conner Shaw is not very pretty, but he was a good college QB, and a tough competitor. Silly TD:int ratio.
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Gotta say, the pick of Manziel is already paying dividends... no way two of the top 10 receivers in the FBS would have signed with us as UDFA without him.
I think the Gordon issue caught their attention as well.
Conner Shaw is not very pretty, but he was a good college QB, and a tough competitor. Silly TD:int ratio.
I definitely agree that the Manziel pick has attracted some of these UDFA WR's and can continue to attract established NFL veterans that are seeking a trade or are salary cap casualties in the coming weeks/months.
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Isaiah Crowell just showed up.
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What does everyone see in this guy? I taught at Alabama State before moving to Miami and he was a major head case.
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Crowell is a cancer.
If he screws up one time he is done. He makes no money and there is nothing invested in him.
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What does everyone see in this guy? I taught at Alabama State before moving to Miami and he was a major head case.
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Crowell is a cancer.
No i meant tell me why you think he is. Or what you observed or read about him. Did you know him personally? I ask these Q's not in a challenging way, but to get more info on him. I had never heard of him. Did you see him play while you were there? Did you teach him?
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I can't speak about knowing him, I wasn't the guy who said he worked at ASU, but Crowell was kicked off of Georgia's team after getting a few weapon charges.
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1877268/isaiah-crowellSTRENGTHS: Crowell is a dynamic athlete with the explosive feet and shifty moves to quickly change directions and redirect his momentum to keep defenders off balance. He has a lean frame for the position, but is tougher and more physical than he looks, never afraid to lower his pads and get his nose dirty. By keeping his legs churning, Crowell is able to slip through tackles and break free. Once in the open field, he can out-run defenders to the end zone. He wasn't used much in the passing game, but he has shown soft hands as a pass-catcher and displays accurate awareness in pass protection. WEAKNESSES: Crowell has some durability concerns, but his character and off-field decision-making are the big questions with his draft stock and something that will be thoroughly investigated by NFL teams.
Crowell failed a drug test while at Georgia and was charged with two felony counts of possession of a firearm. Further, he hasn't shown ideal toughness, struggling to play through relatively minor leg injuries throughout his collegiate career.COMPARES TO: Bryce Brown, Buffalo Bills - In terms of style, Crowell might be a mix of Brown and his flashier, more talented teammate LeSean McCoy but the off-field concerns that caused the clearly gifted Brown to slip to the seventh round of the 2012 draft warrants this comparison. -Dane Brugler, Rob Rang PLAYER OVERVIEW A native of Columbus, Georgia, Crowell stayed home and became a Georgia Bulldog, earning SEC Freshman of the Year honors with 850 yards and five scores in 2011. However he was arrested in the summer of 2012 for multiple felony weapon charges, which were later dropped, and dismissed from the program.Instead of sitting out a year and transferring to a different FBS program, Crowell enrolled at FCS-level Alabama State and was the Southwestern Athletic Conference Newcomer of the Year in 2012 with 842 rushing yards and 15 scores as a sophomore. In 12 games this past season, he rushed for 1,121 yards on 170 carries and 15 touchdowns, averaging 6.6 yards per rush. From a purely talent standpoint, Crowell may just be the best runner in the 2014 draft. Questions about his toughness and dependability, however, make him very much a gamble that some teams simply won't be willing to take.
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Looks like a nice haul of talent. No doubt a couple of guys who can add some competition at the WR position.
Maybe that will provide some calm for a few people.
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Does anyone know what Buffalo gave up for Bryce Brown?
I've talked about trading for him a few times, dude is a great athlete but has fumbilitis and is a headcase.
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I've talked about trading for him a few times, dude is a great athlete but has fumbilitis and is a headcase.
They traded whatever they get from San Francisco for Stevie Johnson -- essentially they traded Stevie Johnson for him.
That's a bit high in my opinion - I would have sent out about a 6th. I do really like Bryce Brown - and he's not a headcase at all in the traditional sense. Just likely deals with depression, and left a team in college because of it. Not a guy who is going to get caught on a drug test, or with a gun or anything.
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Gotta say, the pick of Manziel is already paying dividends... no way two of the top 10 receivers in the FBS would have signed with us as UDFA without him.
I think the Gordon issue caught their attention as well.
Conner Shaw is not very pretty, but he was a good college QB, and a tough competitor. Silly TD:int ratio.
And he's got wheels. He's another mobile QB.
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Browns should target some of the other big names still there.
Probably the guy I'd be most excited about is Purifoy - another guy who is much better in man than zone (which is what we're going for) - could be a great nickle CB.
Sounds like Christian Jones already went to the Bears, which is too bad - that's a guy who I think fits our scheme well.
Should look into Brandon Coleman as well - i think he's a great talent, if you think of him more as a slot TE than a WR.
Antonio Richardson too - not a great scheme fit for us, but he can make an NFL roster.
I think teams should gobble up the "used to be a first or second round talent and then fell for X reason" - when you look at the history of these guys, they do very well in the NFL (Burfict, Herzlich, Bryce Brown (or was he a late 7th?) are the first that come to mind.
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JC Looking at the fact the FO isn't making much of a dent in the UDFA WR's other than a couple of, under 6', possession types. It Looks like the team is setting things up for a pure short yardage, ground and pound, bloody your nose, clock eating type of game and not so much the flash pass and touchdown every 2 minutes type of game. Beefed up secondary and beefed up OL/running game with bruisers along with short yardage possession receivers. Man this looks like an old school team of young players. Could be scary mean and nasty under Shanahan and O'Neil. I guess only time will tell. Go Browns  
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker7TH RND 224TH PICK OVERALL TRADE DETAILS: The Bills trade pick No. 224 and a 2015 fourth-round pick to the Eagles in exchange for RB Bryce Brown and pick No. 237. I missed that Buffalo gave up the 185th pick for Mike Williams from Tampa Bay. Man they were active yesterday.
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Going from the craptastic backfield we had last year to Tate, West, and Crowell is a major upgrade. Obviously.
With Bitonio to help solidify the line this backfield could become a strength of the team. Seems crazy to even say that out loud but its a real possibility.
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2014 Cleveland Browns Undrafted Free Agents MAY 10TH, 2014 This is where you can find all of the Cleveland Browns’ undrafted free agent signings. Please take note that the signings are all rumored and have not been confirmed by the Browns yet. Quarterback Connor Shaw- South Carolina Corey Robinson- Troy Running Back Isaiah Crowell- Alabama State Fullback Ray Agnew- Southern Illinois University Wide Receiver Willie Snead IV- Ball State Kenny Shaw- Florida State Chandler Jones- San Jose State Gerald Ford- Valdosta State Taylor Gabriel- Abilene Christian Jonathan Krause- Vanderbilt Tight End Blake Jackson- Oklahoma State Zane Fakes, Tight End, Ball State Offensive Line Anthony Dima- University of Massachusetts Michael Philipp- Oregon State Defensive Line Calvin Barnett- Oklahoma State Jacobbi McDaniel- Florida State Antonio Gillespie- Troy Outside Linebacker Christo Lisika- South Nazarene Alex Bazzie- Marshall Inside Linebacker Carlo Calabrese- Notre Dame Greg Blair- Cincinnati Cornerback Robert Nelson- Arizona State K’Waun Williams- Pittsburgh Safety Jacques Washington- Iowa State Nickoe Whitley- Mississippi State Jason Hendricks- Pittsburgh http://www.draftbrowns.com/2014/05/2014-cleveland-browns-undrafted-free-agents/
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Post above is the same as from pblack in the pure football forum. I just thought it made more sense to move it here.
Anyone have thoughts on Krause from Vandy? 4.34 40 6'1''. Supposedly a solid return guy and special teams player.
@Ytown: Browns and Williams are solid adds. I think a 4th for Brown is getting pretty high in price for a running back, but I sincerely think Brown is one of the better running backs in the league when he isn't fumbling.
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Going from the craptastic backfield we had last year to Tate, West, and Crowell is a major upgrade. Obviously.
With Bitonio to help solidify the line this backfield could become a strength of the team. Seems crazy to even say that out loud but its a real possibility.
It's very difficult to accurately predict if a team actually got better with their draft picks and offseason moves until they take the field on Sundays.
With that being said - add in Kyle Shanahan's zone blocking scheme, the Ben Tate signing, some FA offensive line additions, and the drafting of a very talented Guard in Joel Bitonio and the underrated RB Terrance West - I'd say that the Browns running game going from one of the biggest weakness to a major strength on this team may very likely come to fruition.
I really like these two guys and think they both project very well into the NFL. These two players alone add a 'power run' element to our offense. When you watch Bitonio on film he can really push the line and clear out defenders in a hurry. He has really strong hands and punishes defenders. He is over 300 lbs. and ran a 4.97 40 yard dash and had the quickest time in the cone drills of any lineman which projects very into Kyle Shanahan's zone blocking scheme where he will be doing a lot of lateral running and blocking. He's also very versatile and can play anywhere on the line if needed to; but I see him being plugged in at Guard and starting from Day One.
Terrance West is a thumper who put up silly numbers and transformed Towson's entire program. When your an FCS guy going into the draft, you really have to have had dominated the competition and West did just that. He can run very well between the tackles and he runs with attitude, purpose, and good vision. Finishes runs all the way through and pounds defenders. Mike Mayock compared his running style to Carlos Hyde, others compare him to Alfred Morris, but I personally see a lot of Maurice Jones-Drew in him as well due to his stout frame, ability to bounce off of defenders or run straight through them, and difficulty in defenders bringing him down. He can also catch the ball out of the backfield and can play on any down so he's not just 3rd down type of back. Pettine talked about him having the chance to be very valuable to the team and stated that he'll continue to feed the hot hand be it West, Tate, or whomever.
I personally like the fact that West has a family to feed and admire how hard he worked at the college level to get to where he is now. He worked relentlessly on and off the field at Towson and I think he has a chip on his shoulder because he was overlooked by DIV I schools. Farmer knew that a lot of teams were very high on him - specifically West's hometown Baltimore Ravens, as he would of projected very well as a capable back to fill Ray Rice's shoes should his off the field problems continue.
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I also like how they've addressed this. They're building a team and they're taking pieces to make it happen. Whether their plan succeeds is yet to be determined but at least they have a coherent plan and it can bee seen taking shape.
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NFL is reporting that Browns signed Connor Shaw, Isaiah Crowell (RB), Willie Snead (WR), Chandler Jones (WR). nfl.com top-undrafted-free-agents-following-2014-nfl-draft Only the Shaw signing intrigues me. Great pick up, but lots of question marks. Sounds like a cross between Jeff Garcia and Kosar. Concern is injuries and lack of throwing power (which could be an issue on the constant out routes).
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OK,, this is beginning to make sense now.. We have signed: Young and Thigpen We drafted: Manziel We signed as UDFA: Connor Shaw Corey Robinson And we already had: Hoyer Tanney 7 QB's Receivers: We already had a slew of them (6 of them right? Not counting Gordon) Now we went out and signed as UDFA: Willie Snead IV- Ball State Kenny Shaw- Florida State Chandler Jones- San Jose State Gerald Ford- Valdosta State Taylor Gabriel- Abilene Christian Jonathan Krause- Vanderbilt So hows this for positive thinking, They are leaving no stone unturned to find our backup QB's and a "Diamond in the rough" Receiver. Ha,, come on,, who's with me, who wants to take the high road  In all seriousness,, Lots of arms for lots of receivers. It makes sense. I don't remember a time while I've been a Browns fan that we had 7 QB's in for a look see. Oh, and I didn't even count TE's LOL Farmer said in his presser yesterday when asked about Gordon and why he didn't go get a Receiver in the draft (paraphrasing) he said that look at Seattle. Only receiver that was drafted was Golden Tate and he missed most of the year. Food for thought I suppose...
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I don't think Tori Gurley, Josh Cooper, or Travis Benjamin are going to give anyone any slack, or give up their playing time easily.
I don't think Tori Gurley, Josh Cooper, or Travis Benjamin are going to give anyone any slack, or give up their playing time easily.
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I'm just looking at your list of WRs there ...
Take away Gordon, do we have the worst WR corp in the league? I can't think of a worse one ... maybe Jacksonville or Oakland (but they have James Jones now, who I wish we would have targeted)
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Yes, we currently have worst WR corps in league.
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I've been ignoring the Rb pick out of Towsen for the last 48 hours, but reading that, I have a question for the board.
Is T. West from Towsen better than Chris Ogbonnaya? And Can he fill the same role, can he be the "Fullback" that's only a fullback by name, mostly another tailback?
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Is T. West from Towsen better than Chris Ogbonnaya? And Can he fill the same role, can he be the "Fullback" that's only a fullback by name, mostly another tailback?
West is a better back than Ogby, yes. I'm not qualified to say that he can fill a RB/FB role ... and quite honestly, after last year, I might say screw that experiment anyways.
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+1 Jacksonville has Shorts Lee and Robinson...Raiders have Jones Moore and Streeter...all better than Little Burelson and Hawkins...plus I'm willing to wonder out of Burleson Benjamin and Hawkins...at least one of them will get injured during the season
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I'm shocked that both AC Leonard and Colt Lyerla are both free agents. With today's offense now focusing so much on tight end, you would think someone would bring either of those two in.
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Who got my man ( TE ) Crockett ? .. I wanted him ; and saw him as a fifth maybe fourth round pick !
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Only the Shaw signing intrigues me. Great pick up, but lots of question marks. Sounds like a cross between Jeff Garcia and Kosar. Concern is injuries and lack of throwing power (which could be an issue on the constant out routes).
Crowell has a lot of talent, but has character issues. Connor Shaw is great insurance policy for Manziel if we run zone read.
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No denying the Crowell has had some issues in the past. Still hasn't convinced everyone that he is willing to work hard and do the little things to succeed. But the talent is tremendous. He has home run ability. Getting him as a UDFA gives him a chance to show how bad he wants an NFL career. If he doesn't pan out we haven't lost much. If he seizes this opportunity the Browns' can have one of the most talented backfields in the entire league. It's worth a shot.
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You're shocked that a cokehead felon who publicly declared the parents of Sandy Hook victims to be liars covering a government conspiracy didn't get picked up?
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I don't agree with that....or, if we do, it is still good enough..
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I wouldn't either.
How much did he change things? We just signed a guy who got charged with a few felonies.
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How much did he change things? We just signed a guy who got charged with a few felonies.
There's a difference between charges and convictions, and I'm not saying Hernandez is going to stop teams from ever picking up a shady character. But a lot of them will and should think twice.
If I'm an NFL GM, guys with weapons convictions or a history with Schedule II narcotics are off of my board, period.
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Just so everyone is caught up, all three of Crowell's weapons charges are from a single event where he complied with an officer's request to search his car when the officer said he smelled marijuana. He found no marijuana but found a gun with an altered serial number.
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