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Hey,, innocent until proven guilty.. What ever happened to that?
Anyway, if I were to guess, he's gonna get banned for some period of time. the rules aren't clear to me so I can't say with any certainty for how long. but I'm pretty confident he will get some punishment.
Not for nothing - but, ya think so?
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A friend of mine is a close relative to a former "Freak" NFL defensive lineman 
He has photos smoking up in Honolulu with half of the Pro-Bowlers, circa 2005 or so. Huge pot party with lots of "good guys" in the pictures, clearly burning up. I don't recall any of them ever failing a test.
We see players getting arrested for possession that have never failed a test. The NFL failure rate is like 1-2%, yet the 22-35 year old population typically smokes at about a 20% rate. The only thing random is the punishment!
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It has been rumored the delay is being caused by Josh Gordon choosing the rare Trial by Combat clause in his contract. 
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A friend of mine is a close relative to a former "Freak" NFL defensive lineman
He has photos smoking up in Honolulu with half of the Pro-Bowlers, circa 2005 or so. Huge pot party with lots of "good guys" in the pictures, clearly burning up. I don't recall any of them ever failing a test.
We see players getting arrested for possession that have never failed a test. The NFL failure rate is like 1-2%, yet the 22-35 year old population typically smokes at about a 20% rate. The only thing random is the punishment!
Sounds about right. Players who aren't in the substance abuse program get tested exactly once per year for recreational drugs and it's always around this time. Once they pass that, they are in the clear for the rest of the year.
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what I don't get is how did other guys who were part of the random screening continually beat it-- like Randy Moss and Ricky Williams. I don't recall either one of them being suspended. And Moss openly admitted to smoking it "every blue moon"..... same with Ricky.
It sucks Gordon did it, and it sucks that others have done it without consequence.
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what I don't get is how did other guys who were part of the random screening continually beat it-- like Randy Moss and Ricky Williams. I don't recall either one of them being suspended. And Moss openly admitted to smoking it "every blue moon"..... same with Ricky
Because it's laughably easy to beat tests under this system.
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Right. Gordon must be as dumb as a stump.
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what I don't get is how did other guys who were part of the random screening continually beat it-- like Randy Moss and Ricky Williams. I don't recall either one of them being suspended. And Moss openly admitted to smoking it "every blue moon"..... same with Ricky
Because it's laughably easy to beat tests under this system.
Exactly. Like one former player was quoted as saying, "The NFL drug policy isn't so much a drug test as it is an IQ test."
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Right. Gordon must be as dumb as a stump.
Being a Druid i find that statement offensive
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what I don't get is how did other guys who were part of the random screening continually beat it-- like Randy Moss and Ricky Williams. I don't recall either one of them being suspended. And Moss openly admitted to smoking it "every blue moon"..... same with Ricky.
It sucks Gordon did it, and it sucks that others have done it without consequence.
Ricky Williams failed a bunch of drug tests and was suspended for all of 06 and part of 07.
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what I don't get is how did other guys who were part of the random screening continually beat it-- like Randy Moss and Ricky Williams. I don't recall either one of them being suspended. And Moss openly admitted to smoking it "every blue moon"..... same with Ricky.
It sucks Gordon did it, and it sucks that others have done it without consequence.
Ricky Williams failed a bunch of drug tests and was suspended for all of 06 and part of 07.
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Being a Druid i find that statement offensive
Druid? That's like a garden gnome right? Or a tree huger? Or a RPG / Video Game Character? something along those lines... don't be offended, I'm just curious as to what a modern day druid really is, other than somebody that gets offended over dumb as a stump comments ? 
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so was it pot for sure? I still havent seen anything official..
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No one will know unless Gordon reveals it.
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so was it pot for sure? I still havent seen anything official..
No one will know unless Gordon reveals it.
My next comment isn't because a Browns player is in the crosshairs of a suspension.
If I were a player, I would be demanding the league keep to it's policy on secrecy. The only people that should know about this looming suspension are the league, the Browns and Josh (and his agent). One of those three spilled the beans and I doubt it was the Browns or Josh.
I would like to see a rule that if the league is responsible for the leak, the suspension is rejected or reduced. I know that would be impossible to prove, but if the policy is that we shouldn't know until the suspension and appeal are over, why do we always hear way before that?
Let's say the test was bogus because the lab screwed up, the fact this got out way before the appeal, it has ruined his reputation and possible endorsement deals. I'm not suggesting that's the case here, but the NFL should be a lot better at keeping this a secret until it's official.
The same BS happened with baseball and their anonymous test ~10 years back. A ton of names were released and nobody ever really asked how the names were tied to samples and how they got released. If I were in the players union, I would have been livid.
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I can't believe all of the excuses for Josh. How many chances can a guy get? how stupid do you have to be to ruin your, what was turning out to be very profitable career to get high? No one is to blame but Gordon.
Selfish, stupid, unbelievable.
While I am in agreement that Weed is legal in some states, it is not performance enhancing and it should be a legal drug. It's not, it's not legal in Ohio, it's not legal in the NFL and this guy knows this stuff, inside and out, probably more than any other player on our roster. If he were a 2nd string corner trying to make the roster everyone would want him cut.
He is likely to get a suspension and he deserves to be gone the entire year. Obviously I hope not, but if he weren't a high profile player, he would be done and would likely never get another shot.
What an idiot. 
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Is this an R Kelly joke?
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jc Jimmy Haslam says Browns sticking with troubled Josh Gordon Although star wide receiver Josh Gordon has failed another drug test and could be suspended depending on the results of his appeal, Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam envisions a long future ahead of Gordon with the AFC North franchise. "Josh is learning and growing and improving as a person,'' Haslam told fans during a a Pro Football Hall of Fame luncheon. "He's learning how to work hard. He's learning how to be a professional. Josh is a smart young man. All of us have made mistakes when we were that age. We're counting on Josh being a good football player for the Browns for a long time to come. "We spend a lot of time with all of our core players and Josh is obviously one of those. We have all spent a lot of time talking to Josh and I'm not going to comment on the situation but I'll say this, but I've been very pleased with his professional growth over the last year and the way he handles himself.''According to ESPN, Gordon tested positive for marijuana and is facing a year's suspension. Godon served a two-game suspension last season for testing positive for codeine, a banned substance. An appeal is expected. The Browns failed to draft a wide receiver despite knowing of Gordon's issues. Follow me on Twitter: @RavensInsider Aaron Wilson covers the Ravens for The Baltimore Sun http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Jimmy-Haslam-says-Browns-sticking-with-troubled-Josh-Gordon.html
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I think the Browns maybe should just trade him when they can.Want the guys talent here but,I'm inclined to think he is going to get busted again.
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Too late for that. He has almost no value.
It's an interesting topic to think about. Had we traded him early last year when his value was growing, we would have been KILLED in the media, maybe even harder than trading Trent. Who knows what we would have received and if he would have still been nailed this 3rd time for a violation.
Oddly enough, his value didn't get the highest, pun intended, until the end of the season. That would have been the time to trade him, knowing now about his failed test. But even then, I think GMs across the league might have been nervous about trading for a guy in Stage 3 of the SAProgram.
But now, goodness, good luck getting a 7th rounder. He's probably out all next year and has shown he can't follow the simple rule of not smoking pot to save his job.
I would say, there's a growing conspiracy theory across other message boards I frequent that the NFL will find a way to get Gordon on the field with Manziel this year because they want that combination playing. It's in the NFLs best interest to somehow lose the appeal on this pending suspension. I'm not saying I believe it, I'm just saying people are starting to groan about it.
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I would say, there's a growing conspiracy theory across other message boards I frequent that the NFL will find a way to get Gordon on the field with Manziel this year because they want that combination playing. It's in the NFLs best interest to somehow lose the appeal on this pending suspension. I'm not saying I believe it, I'm just saying people are starting to groan about it.
I mentioned this as soon as I read the article about the possible suspension.
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I would say, there's a growing conspiracy theory across other message boards I frequent that the NFL will find a way to get Gordon on the field with Manziel this year because they want that combination playing. It's in the NFLs best interest to somehow lose the appeal on this pending suspension. I'm not saying I believe it, I'm just saying people are starting to groan about it.
I mentioned this as soon as I read the article about the possible suspension.
How much would our luck have changed at that point?
From laughing stock, firing Chud, banner, lombardi. To no one wanting to coach here.....to having Gordon get off on a technicality, having Johnny Manziel, gilbert, buffalos first round pick and re-signing joe Haden?
That would be one amazing offseason.
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You guys really think the powers-that-be are going to miss an opportunity to kick Cleveland in the slats over a few Nielson ratings points? This is OIC we're talking about here. Of course he'll be out for the year, if not forever.
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You guys really think the powers-that-be are going to miss an opportunity to kick Cleveland in the slats over a few Nielson ratings points? This is OIC we're talking about here. Of course he'll be out for the year, if not forever.
I don't think it'll happen, but the buzz is growing amoung non-Browns fans.
And yes, the league is only as strong as their weakest link, or team. If the NFL can have a strong Browns team with an engaging QB next year, that moves the needle in a big way. The league is all about "moving the needle".
Come on, the first round of the draft had more viewers than two NBA playoff games and one NHL playoff game combined and that had a lot to do with Johnny Manziel. If he's on the field and playing well, that's a huge "get" for the NFL.
With all that being said, I'm NOT one of the people that believe it will happen (JG not or having a reduced suspension). Although I think it would be cool if it happened.
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Very untrue. the league has to have doormats and sadly we've been one for years... the league is about the top half and the big name teams that fall and how long it will take them to recover.. sadly we are not on of those big name teams any more.. sure I think the NFL would be better if the Browns were good but a lot of comedians would have to look for new material if the Browns were good.. I don't think the NFL cares one iota if the Jags or the Browns or the Bucs are ever good again.
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I would say, there's a growing conspiracy theory across other message boards I frequent that the NFL will find a way to get Gordon on the field with Manziel this year because they want that combination playing. It's in the NFLs best interest to somehow lose the appeal on this pending suspension. I'm not saying I believe it, I'm just saying people are starting to groan about it.
I mentioned this as soon as I read the article about the possible suspension.
that's an angle that I hadn't even thought of.. Good thought Punch.. Wouldn't surprise me at all..
Gordon and Manziel together in a game would prove to be a ratings bonanza.. The NFL likes that a bunch..
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dilution failures What is it...hopefully not spelling smack...lol 
Where they take a pee cup test and hydrate themselves so much so that the test is too watered down to be positive. For those taking a test in the NFL that marks a failed test just as if a Positive result comes up or a banned substance. We just went through this with Mettenberg???
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ok. someone was telling me about that. didn't know diluted . was a failed test . lmao.
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Too late for that. He has almost no value.
It's an interesting topic to think about. Had we traded him early last year when his value was growing, we would have been KILLED in the media, maybe even harder than trading Trent. Who knows what we would have received and if he would have still been nailed this 3rd time for a violation.
Oddly enough, his value didn't get the highest, pun intended, until the end of the season. That would have been the time to trade him, knowing now about his failed test. But even then, I think GMs across the league might have been nervous about trading for a guy in Stage 3 of the SAProgram.
But now, goodness, good luck getting a 7th rounder. He's probably out all next year and has shown he can't follow the simple rule of not smoking pot to save his job.
I would say, there's a growing conspiracy theory across other message boards I frequent that the NFL will find a way to get Gordon on the field with Manziel this year because they want that combination playing. It's in the NFLs best interest to somehow lose the appeal on this pending suspension. I'm not saying I believe it, I'm just saying people are starting to groan about it.
He has value.Some team would take him.Even if it's a 7th rounder,it's better than nothing.
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How is a 7th rounder any good?
Odds are, that player wouldn't work out or contribute at all.
Even if Gordon is suspended for half a year, every year, he still helps the team better than 99% of 7th roud picks.
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Odds are, that player wouldn't work out or contribute at all.
Even if Gordon is suspended for half a year, every year, he still helps the team better than 99% of 7th roud picks.
at best we get half a year this year from him. druing offseason he will get caught and be out forever. that's if he can stay clean for the 8 weeks and bye week lol.
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Odds are, that player wouldn't work out or contribute at all.
Even if Gordon is suspended for half a year, every year, he still helps the team better than 99% of 7th roud picks.
at best we get half a year this year from him. druing offseason he will get caught and be out forever. that's if he can stay clean for the 8 weeks and bye week lol.
Exactly my point. There's a decent chance he may never be clean enough to play again. Five failed drug tests tell that tale. A 7th rounder is going to play assuming you keep him in your roster.
Josh isn't out of chances in the NFL for sure. He'll keep getting chances, but they'll all be very low risk chances. I think teams in the NFL value a 7th round selection more than what you can rely on Josh for right now.
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Personally, I would like to see the Browns help this young man turn his life around. He obviously has some sort of problem.
Do they need a 24x7 watchdog on him like Dez Bryant has? Send him to some sort of rehab?
I just don't buy into giving up on him yet...not just because he is a special talent on the field but because getting him help is the right thing to do. This is obviously something he can't control on his own.
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Odds are, that player wouldn't work out or contribute at all.
Even if Gordon is suspended for half a year, every year, he still helps the team better than 99% of 7th roud picks.
While that's quite true, just look around and see how many people look to UDFA's as some kind of answer to problems that should have been addressed in the draft.
Never be surprised of how much or how little something is valued depending on the subject matter.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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