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I agree 100 percent. He does need new friends 
Easier said then done. The kind of people we'd like him to hang with probably don't want to hang with him.
Birds of a feather flock together. His hanging with scumbag types is a pretty good indicator he is a scumbag type.
Generally you hang with people in your social circle.. he grew up with that and has continued it... he needs to realize he is in a new place in his life and walk away from the old... yea, I understand how hard that is, how much that makes you a sellout or disloyal, etc.. but if he wants a productive NFL career, that's what he has to do...
Just like a recovering alcoholic can't have bottles of booze lying around his house because of the temptation, Gordon can't hang with the same crew and expect to change.. It's virtually impossible..
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I wish Don Rogers had smoked weed instead of using cocaine. He'd still be alive, and we might have been to 2 SB's in the 80's.
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Chris Carter and Josh Gordon are in entirely different leagues of substance abuse.
Cocaine <> Weed
Josh Gordon is just not very smart. That's the difference.
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http://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ds.shtml
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Yup, because the government is something worth listening to 
only a fool, and law enforcement agencies, would believe that marijuana is worse than cocaine.
Frankly, and given the shady path street drugs make from source to customer, I am surprised that anyone would want to smoke, inject, eat, or do anything else with street drugs. A person really has no way of knowing what is in anything they buy. They could be buying a bag of pot mixed with grass cut from the front yard, and dog crap for all they know. It's not like the government is inspecting any of this for purity and safety.
Off topic, for sure, but I have to say that the drug users I know are some of the most informed and conscientious consumers you'll ever meet. Yard clippings? Get outta here.
I'm ready for camp to start so Gordon can be doing something productive. Idle hands are the Devil's playground. He's a young guy with buckets of cash, some questionable friends, and the willpower of a 22 year old millionaire.
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My point is that the drugs they but could have damn near anything in them. There was a guy who smuggled drugs by shoving them up his rear end. Now I don't care if they were hermetically sealed ... i still wouldn't touch them. 
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I agree 100 percent. He does need new friends
Easier said then done. The kind of people we'd like him to hang with probably don't want to hang with him.
Birds of a feather flock together. His hanging with scumbag types is a pretty good indicator he is a scumbag type.
This statement is not even remotely close to having any truth to it.
I'll just leave it at that.
He has to find himself, but the only way that happens is that he has to figure out that the path he is on is not the right one. Unfortunately, he currently like this path.
I agree he has to find himself, but I don't see how you say there is no truth in my comment. Maybe the use of the word scumbag clouded the issue. To clear thigs up, generally speaking, people who drink and take drugs hang out with others who do, not the people who don't. The people who are pretty clean with that stuff don't usually hang with folks who blow smoke.
People who like rap don't hang out at the country bar.
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This is a very interesting read from SI's Jared Mueller, who is a counselor licensed with the State of Ohio. He mentions other articles he has written about Gordon and they can be found/activated by clicking the link at the bottom of this article.
Understanding Josh Gordon
by Jared Mueller 2d ago
Josh Gordon was arrested in North Carolina yesterday and Cleveland Browns fans are understandably distraught, frustrated, angry, worried, concerned and whole host of other adjectives. Gordon had an amazing season that had Browns fans looking forward to having a dominate offensive player for the first time in many of their memories. Trying to look through rose colored glasses, a rare thing for Clevelanders, fans hoped that this breakout would also assist Gordon in overcoming his personal demons.
Yet we knew last year that Joe Banner and Mike Lombardi were looking to possibly deal Gordon last year. Fans would of been in a uproar had that deal gone down, reportedly the San Francisco 49ers were closest to making the deal. Even this off-season there were rumblings that the new regime wasn’t high on Gordon’s character, though everyone loves his on the field talent. Unfortunately due to the combination of the risk of a suspension, the fan backlash and the amazing season he put together last year Gordon was never going to bring back enough in draft picks or players to make a trade possible.
On the second day of the NFL Draft, and then yesterday again, fans were reminded of the difficulty of having Gordon on the Cleveland Browns. He is a tantalizing player with a troubled character. A player that lights up the field but also sees the lights of police cars far to often. A player that can take the top off the defense and cut the legs out from under the team all in the same weekend. Gordon is now untradeable but who could be the top receiver in the NFL for the next decade.
Fans on Twitter were obviously highly frustrated with the most recent arrest. Many want him cut. Many want the Browns to hire a babysitter for him like the Cowboys didDez Bryant (Side note: Gordon would have to accept that and once he is suspended the Browns cannot do so.) The one thing that is clear from fan reaction is that it is difficult to understand Gordon and his behaviors. Like any situation most people try to think what they would do if they were in his situation. The problem with that logic is that all of our experiences lead us to make all of our decisions and all of his experiences lead him to make his decisions. Placing our life experiences directly into his life to make decisions is unreasonable.
Any logical person can logically say that Gordon, with all of his future earning potential and responsibility to his teammates, should keep from any substances, from all his friends and change his lifestyle. For many of us with a 9 to 5 job we understand that we would make any number of sacrifices to play a game and make millions of dollars. Many of us have made those sacrifices for much tougher jobs, for far less pay.
Over at Factory of Sadness this writer has written 2 long pieces on Gordon in the past few months. Both articles are written from the perspective of my 9 to 5 job as a counselor licensed with the State of Ohio. It is important to note that none of what you are about to read is trying to make excuses for Gordon or make you feel bad for him. I repeat, no excuses. The goal is understanding for Gordon and some of his experiences, both with marijuana and his culture. Some of you have had similar experiences and made far better decisions then Gordon, and we applaud you. This is about Gordon.
Over at Factory of Sadness this writer has written 2 long pieces on Gordon in the past few months. Both articles are written from the perspective of my 9 to 5 job as a counselor licensed with the State of Ohio. It is important to note that none of what you are about to read is trying to make excuses for Gordon or make you feel bad for him. I repeat, no excuses. The goal is understanding for Gordon and some of his experiences, both with marijuana and his culture. Some of you have had similar experiences and made far better decisions then Gordon, and we applaud you. This is about Gordon.
First we addressed Marijuana use and concerns related to it:
Why the Concern: The effects aren’t great. The withdrawals are similar to a cold or bad night sleep. Many states have legalized the substance. What is the concern for Gordon, other NFL Players or the normal everyday citizen? As a counselor there are a few reasons to be concerned:
Motivation - A unmotivated Gordon is less likely to work hard on his craft, whether physically or mentally.
Social - Most substance users hang out primarily with people who also use the same substance they do. A non-diverse crowd can always be problematic. Especially when substances are involved.
Legality - Factually it is illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. Using something that is not allowed is concerning for an athlete who needs to be disciplined as well as the common man who could get in trouble. In states where marijuana is illegal often users limit their job choices to ones where they are not drug tested, often lower paying jobs.
Emotional Regulation - (Expounded on deeper in this article which opens in a new window)
Second we addressed the Culture that Gordon may be influenced by:
Long Term Planning
Most people in CoP (Culture of Poverty) never learn the skills of long term planning because they have to learn how to survive day to day. Those day to day skills beget decision making that limits the ability to make longer term plans. Cyclically planning ahead, even 24 to 48 hours ahead, is not beneficial for today and becomes an unused or unlearned skill. This plays out in how they spend their money (spending their bank account down to zero is normal), how they socialize (doing whatever comes up at any moment) and the type of employment/money making opportunities they take (make as much money now as possible).
Loyalty
In the CoP community is vital. Many of these communities learn how to lean on each other for help. When one family in the community is struggling others come around to help that family. It might not be with money but a couch to sleep on, a car to borrow, a little food here and there. In non-CoP communities they have the finances to deal with their own issues and problems. Often in CoP that dependence spawns loyalty on both sides. Gangs will often given young athletes a pass, and actually provide protection, instead of recruiting them. Those that actually make it out of the CoP then feel a sense of loyalty to take care of those who are still in, in the same way they saw them taking care of their family growing up. That loyalty creates situations where, especially those who hit it big like Gordon, make it a point to stay loyal, Blind Loyalty, to his people from when he grew up.
Pride/Image
Pride and image go together greatly in the CoP. Financial status, especially for men, tends to be an identifier. In the CoP, even if you don’t have the money, presenting well and putting off a good image, like you have money, is important. It isn’t surprising to see cars with really expensive systems but the bumper falling off. Children wearing the newest desire labels but crying because they are hungry. Buying expensive electronics or jewelry when the tax refund check comes in, instead of getting a new roof put on the house. All of these things are to present an image, to feel proud.
Remember there is not a goal of making excuses for Gordon here. Many people, generally about 25%, make it out of the CoP and are successful in their lives. Gordon has the opportunity to do so himself but needs the support, education and patience to make that happen. The Dr. Phil answer, someone who isn’t licensed and is not respected in the MH community, is to just stop making poor decisions. As a fan of the Browns and Gordon, I want it to be that easy. Sadly it is not.
I hope something here was beneficial to you today. I hope it sparks discussion not derision. I hope Gordon gets his act together, and is not suspended at all, before his career spirals away. I hope no matter what Gordon is successful.
Josh Gordon is not like you. Josh Gordon is not like me. That doesn’t make him better, that doesn’t make him worse. It makes him Josh Gordon. Yet just like you, who has overcome a variety of things to make it to where you are today, Gordon has a chance to do so as well. It is important as fans, as people, we stop putting our experiences and our expectations on other people. We should expect all people to make healthy, positive and lawful choices. When they don’t, as many don’t, the legal system has the responsibility of judging and holding them accountable. What you and I do is up to us.
The Browns on the other hand have a decision to make. Should they cut Gordon to make it clear they won’t allow poor choices? Gordon then could go on to sign anywhere if/when he is reinstated. Gordon could then go on to destroy the league at the receiver position, not on the Browns. Or the Browns can keep him around, since they won’t have to pay him during his suspension, look to help him while risking his behaviors getting worse and possibly reap the possible benefits on the other side. There is no wrong decision, but hopefully an informed decision.
Can you relate to Gordon? Do you understand Gordon better now? What do you think the Browns should do?
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Good post, mac. This is the part that stands out to me and explains much about why he is "risking his future" by doing these things. He just doesn't understand the concept of future like others. Quote:
Most people in CoP (Culture of Poverty) never learn the skills of long term planning because they have to learn how to survive day to day. Those day to day skills beget decision making that limits the ability to make longer term plans. Cyclically planning ahead, even 24 to 48 hours ahead, is not beneficial for today and becomes an unused or unlearned skill. This plays out in how they spend their money (spending their bank account down to zero is normal), how they socialize (doing whatever comes up at any moment) and the type of employment/money making opportunities they take (make as much money now as possible
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I agree 100 percent. He does need new friends
Easier said then done. The kind of people we'd like him to hang with probably don't want to hang with him.
Birds of a feather flock together. His hanging with scumbag types is a pretty good indicator he is a scumbag type.
This statement is not even remotely close to having any truth to it.
I'll just leave it at that.
He has to find himself, but the only way that happens is that he has to figure out that the path he is on is not the right one. Unfortunately, he currently like this path.
I agree he has to find himself, but I don't see how you say there is no truth in my comment. Maybe the use of the word scumbag clouded the issue. To clear thigs up, generally speaking, people who drink and take drugs hang out with others who do, not the people who don't. The people who are pretty clean with that stuff don't usually hang with folks who blow smoke.
People who like rap don't hang out at the country bar.
Yup, that was the cloudiness 
Lots of good people do drugs and hang with bad people. Not all of those are bad people... lots are just good people that have lost their way. (that sounds so over-simplified and goody-two-shoes, but it's truth).
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Chris Carter and Josh Gordon are in entirely different leagues of substance abuse.
Cocaine <> Weed
Josh Gordon is just not very smart. That's the difference.
Drug Schedules
Schedule I marijuana (cannabis),
Schedule II cocaine
http://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ds.shtml
weed is worse than cocaine.
Wait....are you being serious?
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Chris Carter and Josh Gordon are in entirely different leagues of substance abuse.
Cocaine <> Weed
Josh Gordon is just not very smart. That's the difference.
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Schedule I marijuana (cannabis),
Schedule II cocaine
http://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ds.shtml
weed is worse than cocaine.
Yup, because the government is something worth listening to
only a fool, and law enforcement agencies, would believe that marijuana is worse than cocaine.
Frankly, and given the shady path street drugs make from source to customer, I am surprised that anyone would want to smoke, inject, eat, or do anything else with street drugs. A person really has no way of knowing what is in anything they buy. They could be buying a bag of pot mixed with grass cut from the front yard, and dog crap for all they know. It's not like the government is inspecting any of this for purity and safety.
Off topic, for sure, but I have to say that the drug users I know are some of the most informed and conscientious consumers you'll ever meet. Yard clippings? Get outta here.
I'm ready for camp to start so Gordon can be doing something productive. Idle hands are the Devil's playground. He's a young guy with buckets of cash, some questionable friends, and the willpower of a 22 year old millionaire.
I can smell weed from 100 yards away, do you really think I wouldn't know Grass clippings from Marijuana? I quit smoking over 7 years ago and could smell it from across the street and be able to tell you if it's good or bad stuff.
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Chris Carter and Josh Gordon are in entirely different leagues of substance abuse.
Cocaine <> Weed
Josh Gordon is just not very smart. That's the difference.
Drug Schedules
Schedule I marijuana (cannabis),
Schedule II cocaine
http://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ds.shtml
weed is worse than cocaine.
Wait....are you being serious?
in black and white right in front of you. but even if they were the same it would not matter as far as josh.
look before josh was drafted he gave his word this kind of stuff was over. the browns made a big investment with a high draft pick, and 2 years of coaching. he should be forced into rehab because that's the best way the browns might get a return on there investment. if he wasn't talented then it would be just one more pothead on welfare. big deal right?
on a personal note. 7 years clean from your pot addiction? that's a real good start. get a "attaboy" from me. 
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There was a guy who smuggled drugs by shoving them up his rear end. Now I don't care if they were hermetically sealed ... i still wouldn't touch them.
You could just put the stuff on a shingle. 
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Are you serious with this?
Are you picturing a dark alley with steam coming up from the sewers? Dealer got a toothpick in his mouth? Trenchcoat? Tam hat, maybe?
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Thanks for sharing Mac, That really says allot about the Culture some people have to overcome. It's obvious JG struggles with breaking away from his. Thank goodness many of us have not had to experience.(some have, 25% per the article make it out) Much to play out, I'm expecting the worse and hoping for the best ( hey were Brown's fans)
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Are you serious with this?
Are you picturing a dark alley with steam coming up from the sewers? Dealer got a toothpick in his mouth? Trenchcoat? Tam hat, maybe?
I have a brother who works for the Sheriff's department. You would be amazed at what the analysis of some street level drugs come back showing. I don't remember him ever talking about anything with pot ...... but he has some real horror stories about some other street drugs.
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It's why the 'better' dance parties, especially in Europe, have testing stations for you to take your stuff and get it checked before ingesting. They know it's smarter to accept the fact those things are going to be around, and make it safe, rather than to haul off a young adult via ambulance later in the night.
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I spent 5 years teaching in an inner-city charter school which featured Arts education as one of its supporting legs.
For many of the newest schoolkids, the biggest challenge was adjusting to the new culture of the school. I remember one kid who started playing violin only after she enrolled at the school- she was behind all the upperclassmen and behind any kid her age with prior experience.
Tia was a natural... she made up ground like I'd never seen before. Kid was learning at a freakishly accelerated rate. When we held our year's end playing tests, she completely botched the piece. Dawgs- that performance sounded like she'd just been handed the violin for the first time that day- that's how tragic this playing was. She scratched through the piece, marched over to her violin case, and closed the violin inside without saying a word. Stiff. Robotic. Deadpan expression on her face.
I was completely floored. Like someone had just poleaxed me with a 2X4. I'd coached her for months, and heard her play this piece note-perfect weeks in advance of the test date.
At the end of class, I called her aside, and asked her "what's up?" She wouldn't look me in the eye- just blankly stared off out the window with that well-practiced expressionless face-set. Finally, I just laid it out for her:
"You know I'm gonna stay on this, and you know you're gonna tell me sooner or later- so let's skip the usual dance and talk. Why did you play like that today? Why did you tank your test?" It seemed like 5 minutes of dead silence, but I'm sure it was less than a minute. I saw the kid struggling with something... and then she just broke down. Sniffling, shoulders heaving... broke my heart to see this pint-sized little pixie in so much pain.
"I'm losing them."
"Who? Who's 'them'?"
"My friends."
"Tia- you have a ton of-"
"NO! Not these kids. My 'home friends.' I'm losing them. [more sniffling/head buried in hands] "We're not likin' the same things like we used to. We don't talk. Cammy called me 'booshie' the other day 'cause I wanted to turn the radio to the orchestra station. I was just tired of the same ol'- and I thought she might like it like me. She got all mad at me...." [more sobbing].
Damn.
Child took my old ass right back to Junior High. 35 years of life experience, higher education, professional success- frozen, right there in that classroom. I see myself in her, and realize that this stuff is just as raw for her now as it was for me then.
She had lunch period next, so I spent that time with her. (Cafeteria food is no better, 3 decades later- just sayin'). By the end of the next half-hour, I'd told her about my journey... and how my circle of friends has expanded because of my experiences. I told her about my childhood friends (my REAL childhood friends) who are still part of my life, even though our jobs/lives have taken us in different directions. And I also told her that the truest of friends will find ways to stay close, no matter what.
"This is part of growing up, Tia... and growing up is hard, 24/7. Why you think I look so old and beat-up?" [shared laugh]
Tia came in after school, and played the test piece down perfectly. She didn't say a word. Just walked over and closed her violin in the case. This time, with a slight smile.
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The culture issue is huge. Tia not only changed schools, she was being immersed in a totally different culture than the one surrounding her at home/on the block. Part of her could intuit that she was in a better place, heading in a better direction. Part of her felt like a traitor for not still being where she once was. It can make a person feel torn right down through the middle of his soul.
Tia graduated from TSA 5 years ago. She wound up in the 1st violin section of the local Youth Orchestra, playing alongside suburban kids who'd studied privately since the age of 6. When I last heard, she was heading off to college as an elementary education major... with her violin packed in the car.
If the factors outlined in mac's article are part of Josh Gordon's present situation, I can understand a bit better why he's not just 'flipped a switch,' and left his circle. When I stopped out of school, it was very easy to slip into the lives my old chums were living, even though I'd been away for more than 3 years. It took an extreme act of will on my part to extricate myself from that life, and pull the cello back out again. For 2 entire years of my early 20's, the instrument didn't see the light of day.
I'm glad that I spent that extra time with "Lemon Yellow" (my first nickname for her, because of the color of her sweater). And I'm glad that my own cultural crisis was resolved when I pulled the cello back out. Had I stayed at age 22, I'd have never had that talk with Tia.
I almost.... almost became Josh Gordon myself.
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Great story Clem and some serious insight.
My own youngest daughter was gifted as a child. All our friends and relatives marveled at her bright personality and her "beyond her age" intelligence even as a toddler. Her first three elementary teachers waxed on poetic about what a joy and breath of fresh air it was to have her in their respective classes. One of them told me she was a rare combination of maturity, intelligence and sparkling personality for a child her age. She predicted a bright future for her as we all did.
But when she got older and interested in boys she purposefully "dumbed-down" because she fit in better that way. I watched it happen and spoke to her about it when she was 13, but although she admitted it she felt it necessary at that stage of her life.
Unfortunately she stayed that way until it became who she is. She ran with the wrong crowds until she became just like them, school skipping, drug taking, binge drinking smart asses. As she grew into an adult she only became worse until at the age of 35 she is serving 3 years for cooking meth in her apartment from which she was being evicted.
I always thought that if she had been with me instead of with her mother, from the age of 12 when we were divorced, that things would have been different. But that would be giving myself a lot of credit I'm not sure I could have lived up to. I know I'd have set a better example as I did with my son whom I got custody of from the age of three. He's grown into a fine young man. But that's not to say that it would have been enough for her. Everyone has their own journey.
I only share this as another example of what a young person will do to "fit in" with their friends to the point of letting it drag them down even though they have all the tools to escape that culture they think they're stuck in.
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Chris Carter on ESPN right now.. thankfully he's such an awesome guy who is here for Gordon...
"If you were the Browns, what would you do?"
"Release him"
Carter has frequently said the best thing that ever happened to him was getting released by his first nfl team (the team is escaping me right now) because it got him to wake up and kick his drug habit
That was a heck of a long time ago.. Did they suspend players for drug abuse back then? I honestly don't remember.
If they did then his comments may be valid. If they didn't or at least as severely as they do now, then I think suspension serves the same purpose as cutting a guy. He looses his lively hood, his career is on hold, (and may never come back) so getting cut isn't nearly as severe as suspension.
You get cut, another team picks you up and you go right back to work. you may have to take a pay cut for a year but if you prove yourself worthy, you will get paid.
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I'm sure theres 31 other teams that'd love us to cut him too... especially whomever is 1st on the waiver wire...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Clem and ddubia - as always, remarkable posts. Thanks for sharing those stories as it gives some great insight.
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Chris Carter and Josh Gordon are in entirely different leagues of substance abuse.
Cocaine <> Weed
Josh Gordon is just not very smart. That's the difference.
Drug Schedules
Schedule I marijuana (cannabis),
Schedule II cocaine
http://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ds.shtml
weed is worse than cocaine.
Wait....are you being serious?
in black and white right in front of you. but even if they were the same it would not matter as far as josh.
look before josh was drafted he gave his word this kind of stuff was over. the browns made a big investment with a high draft pick, and 2 years of coaching. he should be forced into rehab because that's the best way the browns might get a return on there investment. if he wasn't talented then it would be just one more pothead on welfare. big deal right?
on a personal note. 7 years clean from your pot addiction? that's a real good start. get a "attaboy" from me.
You are being serious.....wow, absolutely ridiculous.
I was never a pot addict, because being addicted to pot does not exist. I could smoke everyday for the next 3 months and stop, the instant I wanted to. Pot addiction does not exist.
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I'd have to disagree with that one, BpG. One can be addicted to pot. It's just not a physical addiction.
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It's a mental dependency on having that "high" You don't feel as good when you're not high, so you get high. But then the more you get high, the more you need to smoke to GET high... Also known as how my younger siblings spend their lives..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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It's a mental dependency on having that "high"
You don't feel as good when you're not high, so you get high. But then the more you get high, the more you need to smoke to GET high...
Also known as how my younger siblings spend their lives..
I cant imagine a better high then being one of the best in the world playing a game in front of millions of people. Thousands of whom are screaming for your success while you play.
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I'm sure theres 31 other teams that'd love us to cut him too... especially whomever is 1st on the waiver wire...
It is much more damaging to Gordon to suspend him than it is to cut him. I agree, if we cut him if he's suspended, there will be a bunch of teams that will run to sign him as soon as they can.
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[quote I cant imagine a better high then being one of the best in the world playing a game in front of millions of people. Thousands of whom are screaming for your success while you play.
"Why woud anyone smoke grass when they can cut a lawn" .......... Hank Hill 
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I think the Browns have to let this all play out and see what they have in a year, then make the decision.
GO BROWNS!
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I think the Browns have to let this all play out and see what they have in a year, then make the decision.
I agree, it will cost them nothing to do just that so why the heck not.
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Cost nothing!?!?
It could cost Josh Gordon his LIFE!! Which will OBVIOUSLY go spinning out of control if he's not a free agent!
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Cost nothing!?!?
It could cost Josh Gordon his LIFE!! Which will OBVIOUSLY go spinning out of control if he's not a free agent!
WOW,, do I have to clear this up Really? IT COSTS THE BROWNS NOTHING.....
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Your sarcasm detector needs some adjusting
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Your sarcasm detector needs some adjusting
LOL,, I didn't read it as sarcasm.. Purple font would have helped a little....
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What's the point of being sarcastic if everyone knows I am being sarcastic? Overly sarcastic at that... 
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What's the point of being sarcastic if everyone knows I am being sarcastic?
Overly sarcastic at that...
That is the problem with being "That" guy.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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