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Browns suspend WR Josh Gordon for undisclosed team violation
Dec 27, 2014 -- 2:28pm

By Tony Grossi

The rapid unraveling another Browns season continued on Saturday as the team announced the suspension of receiver Josh Gordon for violating team rules.

The team attributed the announcement to General Manager Ray Farmer, but it did not include any quotes or reason for the suspension.

It quickly surfaced that Gordon was absent from the team’s Saturday morning walk-through prior to departing for Baltimore for Sunday’s finale against the Ravens.

Some reports on Twitter and the Internet said that quarterback Johnny Manziel also missed the walk-through. But since Manziel is on injured reserve, it was not immediately known if he was required to attend.

The suspension was important to Gordon because it ended his season with only five games active. That left him one short of accruing the season towards free agency. He missed the first 10 games because of a league suspension for his fifth violation of the NFL drug policy.

By failing to reach the six-game threshold in 2014, Gordon may not be eligible for unrestricted free agency after his current contract runs out after the 2015 season.

That could be another team’s future headache now.

Gordon has had an attitude problem since returning Nov. 17 from his 10-game suspension. He has lollygagged in games and has increasingly declined to be made available to media.

In his five games since his reinstatement, Gordon has 24 receptions for 303 yards and no touchdowns.

The Browns nearly traded Gordon prior to the 2013 league deadline, but they refrained from giving him up for less than a first-round draft pick. National reports have said that owner Jimmy Haslam blocked a trade to San Francisco. A source said that deal would have brought the Browns a starting-caliber player and a second-round draft choice.

Now it appears doubtful that Gordon will return to the club in 2015.

The Browns filled Gordon’s roster spot by promoting receiver Phil Bates from their practice squad.

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him and jff out parting all night lol

Increase our FA/Draft need list to include a #1 WR

I'm not sure how any player seems to think it's okay to miss a walk thru before a game.

SMH

That's a valid opinion.. as is the question I posed about motives for suspending him at this time.

Also, if you would have quoted my post entirely, you would see that I'm very much in agreement that it's time to see what we can get in a trade.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/12/27/7454771/josh-gordon-suspended-browns

Ray Farmer is still a genius, even if this was the obvious move.

Looks like it's back to selling cars

Hey Pit, I might not have been very far off LOL

How many second chances can you give a guy... Wow.... I would not be sad to see him traded...

wonder what he and johnny were up too?

is that Hoyer's extension he is rolling up there? lol

time to cut strings and get what we can for him....Jets are desperate maybe a 1st or 2nd might be had???

HOme computer a mess. Won't post much from home...
FA or 2-4 in the draft or both...time for him to go!

This latest incident is troubling, not only because of what it says about Gordon, but also the organization. Although there has been nothing in the media, I can't help sensing there is a certain dysfunction between some of the younger players and the coaching staff. Incidents such as JM saying he didn't take preparation seriously and often acting like a college kid off the field, Gilbert looking lost and acting like he doesn't want to play in the NFL, Hoyer acting sullen and uncommunicative after he was benched and now the latest with Gordon. Maybe these things happen with other teams also, but I only get this kind of news from ESPN headlines and I swear the Browns are there about every week lately with some new issue.

The way I see it Pettine and the Browns need to take serious action during the off season to get the message to the younger players that football is a business and nothing less than 100% effort and loyalty to the organization will be tolerated. How the Browns will do that is a question, but the move(s) needs to be dramatic enough that players sit up and listen. Possibilities include trading Manzel, cutting Gilbert and the more likely trading Gordon and letting Hoyer go. The latter two are probably done deals anyway, although I don't see Gordon having much trade value. I just believe there needs to be more emphasis on creating a professional organization top to bottom.

We've been a historically cheap franchise. We rarely spend money and are rarely in cap trouble. If we suspended Gordon to keep his contract a year longer, free agents won't come here.

I can't read who wrote posts....This organization has not been cheap. That I think is BS whoever you are...lol

J/C
I think it would be a bigger punishment to make him play the last game!

Gordon has been a joke all season whether he was suspended or played.

Nah he is now 2 years away from free agency instead of 1. That was major punishment.

Not surprised at all,the dude just can't keep it together. This team has a ton of dysfunctional issues to deal with,and I'm not sure what's going on,but things have taken a 180 since that INDY game. Back to square one for the Browns again.....again.

The NFLPA would be in court immediately if that happened. (and yeah, I saw the rumor from the Ravens' "insider")

Further, the Browns would be absolutely idiotic to do that. That would be messing with a player's money, and that would have such a huge impact on the perception players have of the team all around the league. (It's no wonder that the Ravens "insider" is spreading the rumor)

Gordon has barely contributed to the offense since he returned so who cares if we don't have him tomorrow? His attitude and body language speak volumes. He wants to be that stud receiver yet, when he could have helped the team at the most important time (Colts game) he showed little effort. Later that night I saw Kearse of the Seahawks make a diving effort to make a catch. When was the last time Gordon did that for us? In fact, I saw more effort from Joe Haden on the play that he hurt his shoulder on than I have seen from Gordon.

Wouldn't that contract situation make him valuable trade bait?

sure will. to any team that wants a pot head and do not care if he shows up on or off the field.........

<sigh>

So much talent, up in a puff of smoke.

I've had that listed as a top need since they announced Meats suspension last May. Even if he kept his nose clean this year we CAN'T count on him. Ever. And when he becomes a free agent are we really willing to give him a big deal? Hopefully not. So finding a replacement has been a need since before this season started. in fact Farmer passing on taking one last draft had me wondering if he knew that or not.... Indeed, a #1 WR in FA and or the draft has to be a priority. And if we continue running a 3-4(man, I wish we'd go 4-3) then linebacking is right there at the top as well.

Meathead is just that, dead from the neck up. This latest suspension for screwing up cost him a year's FA. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, getting all healed up and then taking a shotgun to the same foot for good measure. Meat is a brainless child and from all indications he is incapable of learning from his mistakes. I have to believe his IQ is in the double digit area. 85? Maybe?

My favorite Johnny Johnson quote: "hit me in the head with a hammer the next time I draft a dumb guy".

I was a Heckert supporter but when it comes to Meathead, Heckert should get out the hammer. Peace

Meathead isn't a "bad" guy. He's an idiot. A brainless twit. He has athletic talent but the void between his ears precludes him from ever being great. Being a "bad" guy would mean he's evil or mean spirited in some way. I see no indication of that. He's not a Haynesworth. He's just very very VERY dumb. I'd wager his IQ is in the double digits.



Meathead: Dead from the neck up

Part of the problem is that Gordon has had people making excuses for him for years. Look at his last suspension. Nine out of every ten posts blamed everyone but Josh for being suspended.

There were gems like these:

Ray Rice gets 2 games for punching a woman and Josh gets a year for taking one toke off of a joint.

and

Goodell should be fired.

Gordon is a punk. Many of you helped contribute to his sense of entitlement.

I don't know what the street value of pot is but at the rate he is going it's gonna be a million dollar habit.

That speaks volumes.

I'm not sure that Josh knows that I exist nor do I think he cares, and I'm reasonably sure that he's never read this board not to mention having read anything that I ever posted. Josh's apparent sense of entitlement should have nothing to do with me. I fail to see that I contribute to any millionaires sense of entitlement or any sense of anything whatsoever.

And before you post what I thinks going to be your comeback, yes, I get it that our society places a higher value on the local HS QB than they do the best science teacher at the same HS.

There are plenty of humble guys playing g pro sports. Josh's problems are the responsibility of one person. Josh.

ahhhh- i still think Gordon got hosed on the one test positive, one test below the threshold thing..... but that horse has been beat to death and is water under the bridge.

BUT, this latest attitude i do not like seeing from a player. I think if he was going to show his true colors and mail it in, i'd rather he do it this way then suck it up on Sunday. Just speculating, but i bet he got ripped for showing up late to fridays practice, then he decided to 'show them' and not show up for the walk thru. That is classless and kodos to the browns for setting a high standard. Pettine has held players to a standard this year, its actually refreshing to see. If you lack effort in practice, you just might not play on Sunday. He did it to West (twice) and Gilbert the year... SO this treatment is consistent with everything the Browns have done. For Gordon to even think of appealing this is actually quite lame.

This move cost him unrestricted free agency after next season. Good job Farmer!!! Gordon has noone to blame but himself.

I would be willing to trade him, but not give him away in a trade. I would want at least a second rounder, and if i couldn't get it i'd roll the dice that his head eventually gets screwed on straight. Like someone else mentioned -Gordon to the raiders to move up in the first, maybe that makes sense if a stud receiver could be had...

j\c

all I keep hearing is how it hurts Gordon. piss on the stupid pot head. more a wasted 2nd round pick again. oh but wait....... he went to the probowle. lmao.

Young talented team and you just cant allow Gordon to ruin it. The last few weeks there has been a lot of rumors of him halfassing it in practice, making no improvement in learning the offense and having to be pulled because he didnt know where to line up.

get what you can, use him to trade up cause it is hard for a gm to sell it as giving up a day 1 or even day 2 pick for him but u can get that kind of value by using him to trade up or maybe put him in a trade for someone else.

Marijuana Use>Beating another human being (for no good reason) is a logical fallacy. This is known as a false equivalency. But, we've all beaten that dead horse enough.
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As humans we all make mistakes. It's obvious the organization believe(d) in the individual. This latest action shows what is valued in our FO.

The tragic part here is an individual completely squandering away a golden opportunity. I find all of this sad, honestly.

I just hope none of us here take revel in Gordon's continued misguidance. This topic title suggests otherwise.I'm sure such a title belongs in the smack shack.

Cleveland Browns had to suspend Josh Gordon, whose actions led to it -- Terry Pluto

By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer
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on December 27, 2014 at 7:09 PM
BALTIMORE, Maryland -- Josh Gordon and his supporters will probably find a way to portray the Browns receiver as a victim.
Yes, he missed the morning walk-through before the team flight to Baltimore for Sunday's game with the Ravens, but did the Browns really need to suspend him?
Gordon's camp will argue that the receiver was suspended to prevent him from coming a year closer to unrestricted free agency. He needed to play six games this season in order to become a free agent after the 2015 season.
Now, it will be after 2016 -- unless Gordon's agent (Drew Rosenhaus) appeals and wins. Somehow, they will try to blame the team for what has happened to the former Pro Bowl receiver.
But all Gordon had to do was show up for the Saturday morning practice, and this would not be an issue.
All Gordon had to do was be on time for meetings, but he had been late at least a few times for practices and film sessions since returning from his 10-game suspension on November 23.
All Gordon had to do was the basics -- be on time, do you job. Then there would have been no suspension.
So I don't want to hear any of the excuses, no explanations. Any problems that Gordon is facing right now have been caused by Josh Gordon.
THE RUMBLINGS
More than a week ago, I heard there were problems with Gordon. I wrote this in mySunday notes of December 21:
"Not much is being said about it, but one of the players that has frustrated the coaches is Josh Gordon. He continues to struggle with understanding the offense. He has played in four games, so there was reason to hope for more progress after his 10-game suspension.
"Gordon ran some wrong routes for Brian Hoyer that led to at least two interceptions. It's hard to judge Gordon's body language. Even when he's playing well, he seems to be almost jogging. He can appear disinterested.
"With Gordon, you simply have to look at the results. He had eight catches for 120 yards in his first game back, a 26-24 victory in Atlanta. In the last three games, Gordon has 12 catches for 138 yards. He has yet to catch a touchdown pass this season..."
The Browns were surprised by Gordon's struggles to learn the plays and his general lack of enthusiasm for playing. They were counting on him to be a major spark for their offense. Gordon is such a gifted athlete. If anyone can come back after missing 10 games and play well, it's Gordon.
It also was in his self interest to produce. If he impressed the new front office and coaching staff, perhaps they would have been ready to work on some type of contract extension.
Gordon clearly wants out, and the Browns should accommodate him. Let another team worry about him passing drug tests, being on time and learning the play book.
Instead, he floated. He caught only nine passes for 108 total yards in the last three games. He has lined up in the wrong spots, and continued to run the wrong patterns.
Maybe he wanted out of Cleveland. Maybe he believed that looking disinterested would help his agent engineer a trade. Maybe he was still mad about the 10-game suspension. Maybe he believes this team with it's usual quarterback questions and emphasis on running the ball is the wrong place for him.
But after all his drug suspensions and other problems, Gordon should be thankful that he's in the NFL. Rather than make the most out of the last six games by being attentive at practices and productive in games -- he was almost asking to be suspended.
Now that it has happened, he only has himself to blame.
THE TOUGH APPROACH
Some fans have wondered what's going on with the Browns. Veterans Karlos Dansby and Donte Whitner publicly criticized rookie Justin Gilbert for his poor practice habits.
Rookie Johnny Manziel was fined for being late for a practice, and his work ethic also has been questioned. He also showed little on the field, which is why earlier in the week, I wrote a column questioning his future as an NFL quarterback.
During the season, Coach Mike Pettine has mentioned how rookie running backs Isaiah Crowell and Terrance West both had playing time cut because they did a lousy job in practice.
You can say that the coaches aren't controlling the players.
I say that this front office and coaching staff is refusing to tolerate some of the behavior that was accepted in the past. Last season, the front office wanted the coaching staff to cut Greg Little because of attitude and performance issues. The coaches refused.
General Manager Ray Farmer and Pettine have adopted the "play like a Brown" motto as a way of saying, "This is how we will now do business."
It's not about playing like the Browns who are always 4-12 and 5-11. It's about being a professional and acting like players do on winning teams.
Some people will say the Browns should just cut Gordon. I wouldn't do that.
But I would trade him, even if he brings back very little in return. There always is a team willing to take a chance on a player with talent, even if he needs a moving van to carry all the baggage that he brings along.
Gordon clearly wants out, and the Browns should accommodate him. Let another team worry about him passing drug tests, being on time and learning the play book.

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Someone will give up a mid rund for him... Too much talent