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Bridgewater....ugh

That tweet was an "accident"? They showed him on his cell phone while on the field prior to the game! I've never seen that, even when players are inactive...

I really wish some site would post up the entire Haslam interview. Cleveland.com has a four minute clip of it, and I doubt an interview with the Boss would only be four minutes.

I think Jimmy is a NO-BS type of person, and his comments reflect that. Now, if the "kids" continue to be "kids", will his actions also reflect that? To be seen.

Brian Hoyer completed 55.3% of his passes this year, threw 12 TD's and 13 INT's and had a QB rating of 76.5 and he's been injured both seasons he's been here.... Yet I keep hearing how he should be our QB next year....

I have no desire to sign Locker. But the sad fact is he's got better stats than Hoyer. Not much better but slightly better. Shows that Hoyer isn't this great QB some feel he is...

If they're not much better, and Hoyer's are from a single season, in a new offense then he's likely going to play better than Locker next season just based on familiarity with the system.

No doubt. Bridgewater and Watkins. Both had pretty decent years. We got zilch from both of our first round picks. And we're supposed to get pumped up for the draft this year? I'm just wondering how bad they can screw up this time.....

Don't know.

When I was 22, staying up til 3:30 a.m. and making it to work the next morning was NO problem. When I was 28, it was no problem.

How late was John out........why couldn't he set his alarm and wake up?

Sadly for me, if I have something I have to be to in the morning, a late night for me is 10 pm now (If much drinking was involved).

Gordon? Apparently John and Josh were not together, but did see each other Friday night/Sat. morning.

Same deal with Josh: If your partying is interfering with your job, you might be a loser.

Gilbert? He apparently was late to the team meeting Sat. night. In Baltimore. You know, you fly to the city on the team's chartered plane, you get off the plane and on a bus to the hotel. You are typically give a couple of hours to go eat, etc. But you are expected back at the hotel at a certain time for position meetings and then a team meeting. (I could give details about what the Browns do for home games..times, etc).

Gilbert - how do you show up late?

well when on IR and late for treatment and partying on the friday wasnt anywhere close to having a party on the friday before the game which resulted in several players missing practice. Its not good but the blow up from it is a positive for his growth.

Really? He said, just 3 days prior to this whole incident, that he needs to grow up. And then he pulls that? 3 days later? (maybe 4 days later, depending on how you count the days)

Wow. you're really sold on Hoyer. Yeah, he'll be much better next year. He'll throw 40 TD's and 4 picks.... Because bad quarterbacks always improve in Cleavland. In the off season they will wave a magic wand and make his arm strength improve. lol

Hoyer is what he is. He's not going to magically become Tom Brady. If you want 55% completions and a sub 80 QB rating, then sign Hoyer to a LONG term deal and anoint him the future. Then sit back and enjoy the results....

Thank you, arch.

What you described is why I'm fine with giving Gilbert a pass, now that his punishment is over (held out of the game). From what we know, his seems separate from the Manziel/Gordon issue, and is just one of those, "really...?" situations. I can see this (and, to an effect, the season) being just a blip on the radar when looking back on his career. Not the same pattern of behavior as Gordon and Manziel.

You reply to anyone that even mentions the idea of brining Hoyer back with "Sign him to a BIG deal and make him the Future, blah blah"

Literally no one has said that..

If we are going to go with a FA Bridge Type QB.. Why wouldn't we chose the one that's been in the system for a year and knows everyone already?

Exactly! Johnny is fast becoming a bust. He's a serious distraction. I have no idea if he can play in the NFL(I have serious doubts) but I do know that his attitude is PISS POOR. Gilbert's attitude is PISS POOR. Meatheads attitude is beyond PISS POOR!
Add in West's attitude problems and our last draft was RIFE with head cases. 3 out of the top 4 have serious attitude problems. That's not good. Someone didn't do their job sniffing out problem players.

I have no problem with "problem players" as long as they play well.. It's sports.. Not the boyscouts..

But if you're ganna be an idiot, and be totally crap on the field.. All the potential in the world won't help you..

In the same breathe he said he needs to take things more serious, he said he wouldn't have changed anything he did or do anything differently earlier this year.

I'm convinced JF is just a talker. I'm not sure how anyone could take the kid seriously, especially when he starts talking about how he needs to grow up and etc.

Fine. Lets say we waste one more year with Hoyer. We tell the fans before the upcoming year: "Hoyer is the best we could do for you. He's just a bridge and we don't expect much but hey, come on down to the stadium anyway." Then try to find a rookie we can start the following year. So you can write THAT year off as a rookie QB's learning season. So we can't reasonably expect to make a REAL(not just a fluke)playoff run until three years from now. Maybe. If these idiots can eventually draft a good QB without attitude problems. Sounds great. REALLY looking forward to yet another year of Hoyer. Hope they can figure out an offense where he won't have to throw the ball more than 20 times a game and never over 20 yards.

Kirk Cousins knows the system. He's young and has at least SOME upside. He's a guy that might grow into something... He wants out of DC. So why not trade for a guy that also knows the system and can actually throw the ball over 20 yards?
Nick Foles might be on the block. I imagine there will be any number of QB's available to us in the draft. Pick one, get him out there and let him learn.... We have a lot better options than dragging Brian Hoyer out there for yet another season of mediocre at best QB play.

You have no problem with "problem players" creating distractions for the team and other teammates who are working their butts off?? I do! These type of problems just fester and spread in the locker room causing dissension among the ranks.

While I don't disagree with your ideas.. I did laugh when you suggest a guy like Cousins and then say..



There are no GREAT options out there.. I think most would agree with that..

Hopefully we just figure out what the best option is.. as long as when we do.. we stick with it..

Some of the greatest players in the NFL were terrible people.

If player A causes player B to suck because of lifestyles choices that player A has, then I question the mental toughness of player B. We all have coworkers that we hate, but it's a excuse to say they are why we struggle to perform our job. It's different if player A is physicaly fighting with player B or trying to get coaches to turn on player B.

Mnn

Maybe but what about "their team"? You are correct but having one great idiot does not make a team. My concern is with young impressionable players.

Sounds like JM is not sure if he even wants to play football or not.

Seriously?

I see zero difference. Each player is responsible for their own actions. If Manziel would have had a party it would not be his responsibility how others conducted themselves. If I go to a party it's up to me how much I drink or how late I stay, not the one giving the party.

Each one of these guys failed in the responsibility department. Where they did it or how they did it is not the issue to me. If Johnny had a party, it would only been his fault for his actions of being late. If others went there and had been late, that would have been their fault, not JFF's.

I think he's calling them weasel words because it's double talk. We won't tolerate this...so we're giving them another chance.
As for the knee-jerk reaction, yes sometimes it's a failing. However, a bigger failing is not righting the ship when it's clearly off course.
Iceberg ahead! Johnny is not a winning NFL QB.

Sounds like too much work for too little reward. Teaching Johnny a lesson the hard way is long overdue to the point that I think he's beyond learning anything.


Could not disagree more with the first part of that sentence, unless you mean they don't register on the chart due to how poor they are.

j/c:

I still don't get all this support for Gilbert. He has been blasted by his teammates and coaches WAY more than Manziel has, yet people excuse his transgressions.

How the hell can you be late for a meeting in freaking Baltimore, right after you say you are going to be successful in the league.

Heck, Tabor said he wasn't ready to be a returner. Seriously? I returned both kicks and punts. Hated punt returns, but that is besides the point. It isn't actually rocket science. You catch the ball and try to get from point A to point B as quickly as possible. Dancers fail more often than succeed. The key is to put moves on while going full speed.

It's not like route running. It is not like reading a defense. It is not like making sight adjustments or hot reads. It is not about understanding zone coverages. It is not about recognizing tendencies. It is not about reading the route trees.

It's about catching the ball, not fumbling, and getting the ball upfield.

And he isn't ready for that?

The guy has punk written all over his forehead. You guys are defending him because you liked the pick, but he is making more money than Manziel, was drafted higher, and had a better opportunity to contribute, yet he seems like a sullen, bitter, punk who feels he is entitled to a job and should not be questioned.

Seriously.............he said that he would rather sleep in than study like Williams has. He is a dirt bag.

I'd love to hear a reasonable suggestion for an option that will be better than Hoyer in his second year in the system. So far you've only thrown out people that are just as mediocre or "may" be on the trading block.

I'll also just throw out here that with mediocre QB play, or a mediocre kicker, or mediocre play on a handful of plays by our WR's we're a playoff team. Mediocre is not bad when you're building for the future and that's assuming that Hoyer's ceiling is merely "mediocre". I think his ceiling is actually "competent", but that's just my admittedly biased take on things. LOL

Spirit, I don't think anyone is sold on Hoyer. It's just that our other two QBs are bad and the FA market sucks. Additionally, this year's collegiate QBs are awful.

Hoyer at least looked functional and won some games. I don't think anyone is saying he is the future, but going into the season w/a guy like Locker, Johnny, and Shaw would be career suicide for the coaching staff and front office.

Donte Whitner: Manziel's intangibles similar to Rodgers

""He's a pretty smart, savvy guy," Whitner said of Manziel, via Cleveland.com. "I think he has all the intangibles and everybody looks at Aaron Rodgers as being just a dropback quarterback, but he's dangerous because he can use his feet to manipulate things and get open and buy a little time and then he's making a lot of big plays. Johnny has all of those intangibles. It's just going out there and doing it and learning it."

Now I can find an equal number of scouting reports tnat support his intangibles as question them. Watching the games in college showed passionate speeches to his teammates and we all saw them rally around him.

What can't be questioned is how he's screwed this thing up. People want to knee-jerk this thing because we all naturally respond to what we've seen lately. What we've seen lately is a self-professed jackass, and he's been that in spades. However, just a year ago in college he was a leader on the field whose teammates rallied around him.

It's not a great idea to take what he's been lately as proof that he never was something else.

I'm not sitting here stating he's going to be a great QB, but there's plenty of evidence that he's had loads of intangibles. That's why he was rated as a high QB in the 2014 draft.

If we're going to believe the words of his teammates that Manziel has been a dope, then we also have to believe his teammates when they say...he has intangibles.

Good post for a goof ball.

You act as if he suddenly turned into a self absorbed jackass

Hello, McFly?

He was like that IN College, ON draft day, RIGHT AFTER the draft....hell, there's even a commercial about it. In the famous words of Coach Green "he is who we thought he was".

There's no now and later between the College and NFL Manziel. He even admitted himself by conceeding that he didnt take the job serious enough.

What were his "College" intangibles? Some rah rah pep talk in the huddle? It sure wasn't about any playbook. He obviously thought that's enough, but the actual problem with Manziel IS that he actually IS STILL the same he was in College. He didnt change, no matter how you're trying to spin it that way to apologize for pimping him

It's like an earworm that won't go away, isn't it?

I wasn't aware there was a requirement on this board to bash all players equally.

I WOULD send Manziel packing. ZERO upside (both in and out of the locker room).

I WOULD trade Gordon for what I could get for him. ONE mistake from being completely done.

I WOULD put Gilbert in the kicking game and move him to nickel in the hopes that the veterans can get him going in the right direction.