DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Climate in Berea

Hindsight is 20/20. Not 50/50. You sound like.......was it Cam Newton.........?

Might want to go back and edit out some of the non essentials there hesrison

This is Mary Kay's story, not LaCanfora's.

He just confirmed he'd heard similar things.

Yes, it's true, I supported Hoyer,, and the reason is simple, we were winning with him at the helm.

But, if you care to look, you'll find that at one point, I still supported Hoyer but felt it was in the best interest of the team to see what they have in Manziel. I reasoned that it couldn't be worse. I was wrong, Manziel was WAY worse than Hoyer..

Now we really have a dilemma.. Who's our QB going forward?

But back to the point, there is no proof that Haslam and Farmer forced anything.

And that was what I was referring too..

Yeo Hurd said tooo... he was quoting La Canfora so .. as usual nothing new being reported.

Now MVP will report it, then that anti cleveland guy ( whos name escapes me) will report it and then stink and stupid will report it and then mike and mike will regurgitate it againin the morning.... and this all proves what? Nothing, except all of the ESPN Bozo's will toe the company line and report the samething, each putting their own particulat spin on it ( that which makes their show "special", you know like Hurd will be indignant and MVP will be nonsensical or M&M trying to be funny) O

It's kine of like here ... ESPN says things enough it automatically becomes truth regardless of actual proof or not.

And Yeah, I really believe coaches are checking thier phones during a game, I remember one where manziel and shannanhan where texting, while the defense was on the field, about where they were going for dinner after the game.. I thnk it was the Jags game.

As one poster noted I will put credence on this when I Hear it from a direct source, not a reporter with a bone to pick.

I can understand being wary, but how is the organization's biggest cheerleader, who has more or less made a career of toeing the company line, suddenly 'a reporter with a bone to pick'?

Are you referring to MKC?

Cause LaCaforna has seemingly been against Cleveland since they fired his buddy Lombardi.. Which is who I believe they were referring to..

Yes, MKC wrote the article.

And spare me the 'LaCanfora hates Cleveland' and 'his buddy Lombardi' nonsense. Seemingly to who? Overly sensitive Browns fans with a complex that makes them think anyone who points out how inept our organization is 'hates' them? JLC is a decent reporter. He's no King or Schefter, but not exactly a slouch, either. And he's right far more than he's wrong with the Browns.

The real question people should be asking is 'who is LaCanfora's source?'. Because whoever it is clearly made it through the last house cleaning, and has been a pretty good well of information for the guy.

Personally I would agree with you but think that Haslam would keep Farmer

I think it's much easier to change out GMs.. and then find a GM that works with your HC..

Than change out HC, and have to change EVERYTHING system wise again..

Not looking good for Shanahan to be sticking around. Jay Glazer reporting he's been trying to get out..

Jay GlazerVerified account
‏@JayGlazer
"@sblamy12: @JayGlazer Jay what is the real info on Kyle S. and the Browns. Thanks">he's been trying to get out

Glazer: Twitter

The irony here.. is if Kyle goes to say Buffalo.. a team without and answer at QB.. Does that add another team that would be looking at Hoyer?

I could make a coherent argument either way, but Haslam did give a public promise to keep Pettine around. Maybe he did with Farmer as well, but I didn't see or hear it.

Pettine seems to be Michael surrounded by the rest of the Bluth family.

Jimmy Haslam as Lucille
Ray Farmer as Buster
Dowell Loggains starring as the Never Nude

Clemdawg,

You described how I felt last year. I'm a fan since 1950.
That's pre modell era. This team is in my blood and I haven't
lived in Cleveland since 1963 because I went in the Navy (now
disabled veteran). I've been back to Cleveland once in 2004 to
watch them beat up on the Bengals.

I have to put up with 2 steelers fans and one of them is an air
headed woman that can't sit still. Present ladies exempted.

I don't expect to see a live game ever again.

All I can say is READ MY SIGNATURE!

Clem, you are very articulate and your arguments are always logically organized. I admire your intelligence and ability to communicate. You truly have a gift for the arts, and yes, writing is an art.

Ultimately, it's your decision as to whether continue rooting on your team, but I hope that you stay. Lord knows, we need all the intelligent posters we can find around here. And I have no problem w/emotion and passion. As an Italian American, I know all about passion. Come to our house, and you will see a spirited group. One of us might be crying, another laughing, another yelling, another singing......and this is while we are eating. Live life. You clearly have the passion and w/passion, there are perhaps more ups and downs, but damn man, you are living.

What the hell am I rambling about? Not sure exactly. I'm just typing............I guess my point is that while I love your logical and rational posts--which you are the KING of--I also admire your passion. I can see how both aide you as a musician. I think you know what I am talking about. Logically understanding the importance of playing in unison and knowing your role, but adding the passion of making your instrument making sounds that inspire and move people.

So Clem, I think perhaps that maybe the passionate response is a short-term reaction to something unpleasant. The logical/rational part of your personality is in things for the long haul.

I think a well-rounded person needs both attributes to thrive in life. A passionate reactionary person who ignores long term investments and commitment will soon burn out and fade away, while a logical/calculating/rational person w/out inner passion is a cold fish who will never truly move people and never fully enjoy the joys of spontaneous adventures.

You are one of the lucky ones, Clem. You possess both qualities. It is my wish that you don't leave, bro. Go ahead and vent. Tear someone a new one. But, sustain what you have started and stay here for the long haul.

Mourg, you may be right about Shanny.......the situation....and the QBs. I always respect your opinion, but I think you are off on this one, bro.

Thanks, Vers.

That helps.



This 'groundhog day' crap has me a bit worn out at present. "If nothing ever changes, nothing ever changes" ...know what I mean?

I appreciate what you said about me... and you might be right. Perhaps some time removed from the craziness of these latest "reports" will help me adjust my outlook.

Since I posted my thoughts, I've read other Dawgs who are taking a more level-headed 'wait & see' approach... and I've started to consider their thoughts as well.

I just want to root for a team that seems to be heading in the right direction- and every time it starts to look even the slightest bit positive, something brand new pops up that's just as crazy as all the other times. Always something new, always something unforeseen... and always, always with the same results. It gets exhausting after awhile.

Maybe there was never such a thing as the "Paul Brown curse." Maybe 76 Groza sits on an ancient burial site, and the bad JuJu will continue until they move the facility.
That makes about as much sense as anything else I could come up with.

Thanks for taking the time with me.

Clem.

It's zero degree and dark, but it's going up to 15 today for a high

I don't really blame haslem that much for last years draft. I mean cmon here is a guy who has dreamed and dreamed of owning a NFL football team and the QB he likes is sliding into his lap. I can understand him being over excited his first draft.

Hopefully he learns from his mistake.

I don't think there is really any friction between pettine and farmer. They seem to have the same philosophy to me. Now Shanny has a rep of being an arrogant little crybaby so I could see some friction there.

I also don't think it mattered whether hoyer or manziel started against cinci. Hoyer was playing HORRIBLE! You can't blame anyone for wanting to bench him. That's on Hoyer not the coaches or front office.

I don't want to see shanny go to be honest but if he is truly being that negative an influence then maybe its time to let him go and promote one of the assistants so we can keep the same system.

Clem,

I echo Vers statements.... it would be bad for a poster as eloquent as you to leave... but I would undestand any fan who has had enough and bailed... I do know this though... Browns football gets in your blood and even if a fan bails in the short term ... they will be back when wounds heal and scar tissues are removed.

a semi-bright person once told me .. "if you keep doing what you're doing you keep getting what you're getting"...
I hope ( the common word for browns fans), Haslam , fans, media et al allow this new regime time to chnage what we have been doing... yeah i know this year ended on the same ole browns note we have heard for the last 15+ years... nonetheless when that note faded I still see signs of change, hopefully ( again) for the better.

We just cant keep doing what have ben doing and we need to allow the plant of change to grow, insead of ripping it out and planting different seeds.

I fail to see the shock/surprise that some posters are expressing. There was "talk" when he was hired that perhaps we would have his services for only a year or two. Although I believe he did an admirable job with the resources that he had, no one is irreplaceable...

j/c

As I read through this thread and try to read between the lines of the tweets and articles from those "in the know" I keep thinking one thing:

I believe most would agree that we were dysfunctional a year ago today. Steps were taken to correct that dysfunction. House was cleaned and a bunch of new people with new ideas and new direction were brought in...from the front office head to the kicker.

We were dysfunctional for a long time. Did we really think that in one year we would erase the dysfunction from the top of the front office through the kicker? I think we expected things to get better...I think things got better because they couldn't really get worse. But the work isn't done yet.

I have more faith in the Pettine/Farmar combo than any combo since the return...even through the boogers and the two uninspiring 1st Rd picks. I'm willing to take the comments with a grain of salt and see what these guys pull off in the next year. If a guy like Shanny leaves, I'll be upset for about an hour. Then I'll get over it and look to see what the Pettine/Farmar combo do about it.

An overweight person who has been so his entire life probably needs more than a year to change a lifestyle and lose weight and keep it off. An accounting nerd took more than a year to become a professional. A musician doesn't become great after one year of playing - or eloquent on a message board after one year of writing. A new teacher probably took more than a year to figure out how to connect to all types of students. I think you see the point - wrong or right.

I'll take the latest bit of "bad" news and the following issues as well...and keep an eye to what these guys do next.

FWIW...I slept great last night and I'm in a very good mood. Check with me tomorrow and see if I've got a new view.

That's a speculative opinion, not a fact.

This is a really long ramble that doesn't do anything to refute the simple truth I pointed out.

J/C...

Looks like both Dowell Loggains and Kyle Shananhan are out in Cleveland.

Follow

Alex MarvezVerified account
‏@alexmarvez
Source tells @NFLonFOX that @Browns are parting ways with OC Kyle Shanahan after 1 season. Announcement is imminent


Follow

Alex MarvezVerified account
‏@alexmarvez
.@Browns also parting ways with QB coach Dowell Loggains, source tells @NFLonFOX

Loggains Out

Shanahan Out

I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Loggains would be gone after Farmer's presser.

I don't think that I am all that worried about Loggains leaving ......but I do not like losing Shanahan. I especially do not like the idea of, once again changing offensive schemes. This OL looked so good running the ZBS ..... I sure hope we don't change that aspect anyway.

You're reaching the point I hit about three or four seasons ago. I've been preaching that mantra for awhile now.

Eventually, the roulette wheel has to stop spinning and land on something good for us. In the interim, I've focused on changing what I can change about the situation... which is my outlook and perspective on it. The key for us fans, I think, is to adopt a player's mentality... never too high, never too low.
Basically, if I just stop having any expectations of them at all, then I can't be disappointed when they (assuredly) fail yet again. I still root and cheer for them, but when the wheels come off as they always do, I can just smile and chuckle and say "well, that's just very Cleveland of them". Monday mornings are much more pleasant this way, for sure.

They didn't look that bad running a power scheme in '13.Adding Bitoni can only help.
There's enough talent in the oline that scheme is irrelevant,the rest of the position groups are a whole different ball game.
We weren't going to win more than 4-5 games next year anyway.So they'll be a new HC and all new schemes for the '16 season,this will give the O a jump start in changing.

No, quite the opposite, actually.

My premise was that your assertion that LaCanfora has no inside connections to be fact was untrue, and that it was merely speculative opinion.

Nothing you said refuted that. To refute something is to prove it to be wrong. What you did was just ramble. At no point did you prove that what you said was indeed a fact and not a speculative opinion.

j/c

To me, I think many are overreacting. If Shanhan took a head coaching job, him leaving would be a bad thing?

For argument sakes, lets assume there is friction between Shanhan and Pettine. Is it better keeping Shanahan?

Sky fell last year when Chud was fired, and Browns hired Pettine out of desperation. Yet, Browns had their best finish in several years. Maybe Browns get lucky here and land a good OC.

After I read the news two names come to mind Geep Chryst and Nathaniel Hackett.