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What comes first the chicken or the egg?
Seems like we need a quarterback first.
Do you hire a OC and QB coach for Manziel? Or do you hire a OC with the idea that he can install an offense that can win in your division?
According Ray Farmer you don't need elite quarterback play. I wonder if Ray is watching the playoffs?
Pettine should make the hire and select a guy he can work with. Maybe they should hire a guy who first has to win two rounds of Russian roulette.
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I think we hold out for Manning. With his arm strength yesterday rivaling Conner Shaw it seems clear he should be looking into a new career direction. If he and Haslem are as tight as reported, why not? He's been running offenses for years.
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You dont need an elite QB but that doesnt mean you shouldnt stop looking for one. If you have the great qb it just makes things much easier.
I am actually excited just for the possibility to get Sanders in here. Might get my wish, keep our run scheme and add the Corryelle passing attack!!!!
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Chan Gailey?!?!? Really?!?!? This might be the most uninspired offensive coordinator search I have ever seen (so far).
We should just dig up Bill Walsh, hire him, and put his corpse on the sideline to call plays. That would be more effective than Chan freaking Gailey.
Charlie Weis, Chan Gailey, and Bill Callahan have been mentioned as possibilities for our offensive coordinator position. I hear Marv Levy is also available? Where is Sam Wyche these days?
My only hope is that we are waiting for the Falcons, Raiders, Bills, 49ers, Jets, and Bears to fill out their staff so that we can get one of their old guys because the names we are hearing are atrocious.
Marty Mornhinweg hasn't been good since he left Andy Reid and I would take him over all these guys. At least we would be running the same system as Shanahan so their wouldn't be a huge learning curve.
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Manning immediately becomes a president/head coach/#1 broadcaster candidate the day he retires. There is no reason for him to take an offensive coordinator position or offensive coordinator pay cut.
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You dont need an elite QB but that doesnt mean you shouldnt stop looking for one. If you have the great qb it just makes things much easier.
I am actually excited just for the possibility to get Sanders in here. Might get my wish, keep our run scheme and add the Corryelle passing attack!!!! Do we really want a downfield passing attack with Manziel as our QB? Also, Saunders is notorious for having a very big, very complicated playbook, is that something we want Manziel to have to deal with?
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Absolutely, he was the best deep ball passer in college last year. If he cant get it done we find someone to get it done, Mallett would be someone I would like to see in here as well to compete with Johnny. I like a strong run game, with a vertical passing attack and Sanders is the guy for that. Its a system I would like to see us run whether Johnny is QB or not.
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Just a heads up, it's SaUnders. Not Sanders.
I would rather not force Manziel to do something like learn Saunders playbook.
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Can guarantee you Saunders had Carr run a dummied down version of the play book. Saunders would have experience in it and work a 22 year old into the system along with everyone else and then add as we get that chapter.
I sort of like this combo of OC n QB coach.
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I would rather not force Manziel to do something like learn Saunders playbook. Seems to me if you're forced to dumb down your offense because of your QB's inability to learn it, you might need to be changing QB's. This is the NFL, winning is hard.
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Saunders wasn't even the Raiders offensive coordinator last year.
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Except that every Rookie QB runs a dummied down offense when they start.
A 22 year old with 6 quarters of experience and in a new system. That would not be any different.
An 8 year Veteran different story I would have to expect some dummy time for the rest of the team to catch up under the guidance of the veteran QB.
But I don't see the merit to the comments you made regarding (I think JM) He doesn't have the experience and it would be the first time the Entire team ran that offense. Why would he not dummy down the play book and then add as they learned???
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Sorry for the misspelling on Saunders, i am a horrible name speller. He is a good coach, great mind. Raiders scheme was fantastic and Carr did a great job of hitting the receivers but they all had a case of the dropsies.
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Mallett would be someone I would like to see in here as well to compete with Johnny. "
I would like to see Mallet here has well. It looks like he got his head straightened out while on the NE bench. If so, then I think that he has the talent to become a top 10 Qb.
I suspect that we are going to take some criticism for liking Mallet.
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Now that the entire Broncos coaching staff has been fired I would expect to see the retread Greg Knapp's name surface as a possibility for us.
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I have no way of knowing this, but I'm guessing that Shanahan's playbook was pretty dense and thick too. JM had that playbook since June when OTA's began, yes? When he played against Cinci 6 months later, Shanahan had to install some kind of cockamamie shell offense, "Shanahan Lite" lets call it, and Manziel showed nothing. Six months and that's what he was ready to run? Now we reportedly have interest in another OC with a complicated offense, but we're concerned whether its too much for JM? What the hell is this, beanbag? If he can't do it, then he clearly lacks the skillset to be a starting NFL QB. Maybe we should bring back Maurice Carthon.
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when are the Browns ever gonna get a OC whose best days are ahead of him?
the Browns either a OC who either
a) had no business being a OC i.e Carthon, Daboll
b)got the gig riding his fathers coattails i.e Shanahan
c) who's past resume defined as failure i.e Childress
yet no matter who the Browns hire,the kool aid drinkers/homers in these parts will tell
how intelligent of a hire it is.
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Cleveland Browns ask to interview Cowboys' Bill Callahan and Scott Linehan, per report Print Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media on January 12, 2015 at 11:20 PM, updated January 12, 2015 at 11:28 PM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns' search for former offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan's replacement heated up Monday as the Browns requested permission to interview Cowboys offensive coordinator/offensive line coach Bill Callahan, and passing game coordinator Scott Linehan, ESPN's Adam Schefter reported. Cleveland.com reported earlier Monday that Callahan likely would be on the Browns' radar because of his good relationship with coach Mike Pettine. The Browns are also interested in former Bills coach Chan Gailey for the coordinator vacancy, according to Alex Marvez of Fox Sports. Pettine and Callahan worked together from 2009-2011 with the New York Jets under Rex Ryan, when Pettine was defensive coordinator and Callahan was assistant head coach/offensive line coach. Pettine tried to interview Callahan for the offensive coordinator position last year, but Cowboys owner Jerry Jones blocked it. He then hired Linehan and gave him Callahan's playcalling duties for 2014. The Cowboys, who lost 26-21 to the Packers in the second round of the playoffs, finished seventh overall on offense and second in rushing. Callahan and Linehan both have head coaching experience in addition to coordinator expertise. Callahan went 15-17 as head coach of the Raiders in 2002-03, including 2-1 in postseason. Linehan went 11-25 as head coach of the Rams, including 0-4 in his final season in 2008 before getting fired. Linehan has also been offensive coordinator of the Dolphins, Vikings and Lions. The Jaguars are also interested in Callahan, and Ryan might be too now that he's head coach of the Bills. Callahan and Linehan join a number of other candidates to replace former Browns offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, who resigned last week. They include former Bills head coach Chan Gailey, Raiders quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo, and Raiders senior assistant Al Saunders, according to Marvez. The Browns were interested in former 49ers offensive coordinator Greg Roman, but he joined Ryan's staff in Buffalo. Gailey might also have a chance to work for former Browns assistant coach Todd Bowles if he gets the Falcons job. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/01/cleveland_browns_asked_to_inte.html
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A lot of posters are saying we have to learn a new system on O and they are right but this past year we had to learn a completely new system and we did well for the 1st 10 games or so. If we get a good OC who knows what he is doing and we improve our personnel I think we will be ok. One could hope.
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Chan Gailey may be the least inspiring name in pro football.
Yeah i threw up a little in my mouth when I read his name... ugh
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6 months when he was getting his 20% reps ya think it was the Shanny Lite program or the Game plan installed for Hoyer. I'll answer: the game plan installed for Hoyer. This Shanny Lite program was a Chapter in Shanny's playbook that he created for RG3. How do I know they did not practice that O...just too many off page in those looks. We had FB going one direction, RBs going another direction and the QB going another. We had WRs confused. blocking schemes erratic. The Offense was a complete mess not just the QB.
Shanny Lite was not a dummied down version of Hoyer's play book from Shanny. It was a New system of plays.
Another thing about Play books.
There is learning the play and knowing x's n o's of the play. Then there is running it LIVE and executing it. To execute it everyone has to know their first step their adjustments to blitzes to zone, to man to 6,7,8, more in the box. That is executing. These guys all of the O were running virtually a new O that had the vocabulary that they were use to. But the formations were different, blocking schematics different. Routes different. You might see some 6 month of studying and that was the result. I see everyone on that O looking like they were in Preseason Game # 1 running a new Offense. Everyone making mistakes. Against teams fighting for their playoff lives. It wasn't a dummied down playbook it was a brand new chapter of a playbook.
I didn't see JM running an Offense that we were running from Game #1. JM is not a dummy. He is hard on himself. In his immaturity being a back up for the first time in his career he didn't work overtime which was his mistake and a big error in judgement.
Now we will have a new O - New to the entire team. All will have to learn. Either we commit to JM or get viable competition for the starting QB position and see who learns it the best and can execute it. JM should have a head start diving into the new playbook months before draft time. He should be able to work with WRs on timing and RBs on the plays. Time to see what kind of leader he is. Not the immature kid he has shown. But if immaturity is the only stumbling block - he was humbled and he should be able to become a pro. He is coachable but he has to understand he is a Pro...its not limited to NCAA participation but a 24/7 obligation to his Team and their fans. He gets this we have a QB here. He doesn't, he will ride the bench and possibly wither away to Canadian football.
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How many teams are looking for new coaches this year - 5 or so?
How many temas will have their OC's raided for other teams, manybe anther 3 or 4.
And how many teams will just want to change their offensiove startegy even without a new HC?
Every year a lot of teams change their Offense and they survive... we can to.
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Eo, I will almost always defer to your X's-and-O's knowledge, but in this case I don't think either of us know what that mess against Cinci was. It seems counter-intuitive to me that Shanahan would go with a completely new offense in our biggest game of the year. A dumbed down version of the base offense seems much more likely - to me. But, as we've talked about before, we all bring our own perspectives (and prejudices) to these forums. In Manziel discussions, my point of view comes from a bewildered "what do all these people see in this guy that I don't see?". It seems like most Manziel supporters think that JM's immaturity is the only thing keeping him from fulfilling his promise. I think his immaturity only masks an underlying lack of an NFL skill set. I could be wrong - I hope I'm wrong - but I don't think I am. I don't think he can play.
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It seems counter-intuitive to me that Shanahan would go with a completely new offense in our biggest game of the year.
Hours from the game and since I've been remarking on WHY? Why? Because of exactly what you wrote. I think Shanny out smarted himself. As for what I saw...Well what I didn't see was Hoyer running a Pistol offense with no FB no 2n TE. I didn't see Hoyer running the Read option. No way in heck that was a dummied down version of Hoyers offense that he was running.
Then when Hoyer comes in during the Panther game. We go right away to a 3 TE offense with with motion to power and run a play action pass. Totally different offense bang zoom. Do I think Shanny did it on purpose...NO way he's an NFL Coach they don't do stuff like that! I do think he got too smart for himself and it back fired. Meanwhile the Bengals were watching all the college tape on JM and the Pistol spread offense he ran.
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j/c
do we have an interesting name on the list yet or is it still just a bunch of old OC's who run antiquated offenses?
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That's exactly what I am saying, others can do it why can't we? I'd also like to take a shot with Mallet. He does have the tools and he may come at a decent price. What have we got to lose?
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do we have an interesting name on the list yet or is it still just a bunch of old OC's who run antiquated offenses? No interesting names of yet.. What concerns me is we get the last man standing.. I really hope that's not the case. Would we be better to search at the collage level... Interesting names.. Philip Montgomery..Baylor Chad Morris..Clemson Scott Frost..Oregon Mike Norvell..Arizona State Lincoln Riley...East Carolina.. Kurt Roper.. Florida I wish Tom Herman wasn't going to HC at Houstan..
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How about Pat Shurmur? He would be perfect if we draft a kicker.
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Doesn't matter who we get. We're gonna suck. The team has to learn yet another offense from the ground up. No QB, FO issues and the appearance of yet another joke culture and we'll get some retread retiree who will mail it in.
We end next year 4-12 and the whole thing gets blown up again with Hassie starting his detonation presser by talking about the importance of continuity. We have to be the most consistant team in the league. We do the exact same thing EVERY year. Expecting something different would be the very definition of stupidity.
4-12 next year. No better than that. We blow and apperently, bucking the laws of logic and physics, we always will blow.
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j/c Trestman and DeFilippo are both scheduled this week to interview per Ian Rapport. Ian RapoportVerified account ‏@RapSheet Some offensive coordinator interviews are set for #Browns: Marc Trestman goes tomorrow. #Raiders QB coach John DeFilippo goes Friday. Tweet
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And here's another name to possibly add to the list. Jets OC Anthony Lynn. Adam SchefterVerified account ‏@AdamSchefter Cleveland requested permission for OC interview with Jets asst HC Anthony Lynn. Tweet
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Maybe they should ask for permission to interview Jason Garrett?
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And here's another name to possibly add to the list. Jets OC Anthony Lynn. Adam SchefterVerified account ‏@AdamSchefter Cleveland requested permission for OC interview with Jets asst HC Anthony Lynn. Tweet no thanks.
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Why Anthony Lynn. That was a dysfunctional group up there. It may not have been his fault, but he certainly didn't fix it. So why him?
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He most likely runs the style of owfense we want. Ball control, use the running game to set up play action..
He worked with Rex, who Pettine has worked with, so its a fit.
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...jc... Doesn't matter who we get. We're gonna suck. The team has to learn yet another offense from the ground up. No QB, FO issues and the appearance of yet another joke culture and we'll get some retread retiree who will mail it in.
We end next year 4-12 and the whole thing gets blown up again with Hassie starting his detonation presser by talking about the importance of continuity. We have to be the most consistant team in the league. We do the exact same thing EVERY year. Expecting something different would be the very definition of stupidity.
4-12 next year. No better than that. We blow and apperently, bucking the laws of logic and physics, we always will blow.
Haslam is willing to risk another year in an effort to prove that Jonnie is our franchise QB.
If the Browns only win 4 or 5 games next season, Pettine is likely gone and every veteran on the team will want out, knowing that their is no upside to staying in Cleveland as they start over, once again.
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Why? He and Pettine have a previous working relationship.
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He most likely runs the style of owfense we want. Ball control, use the running game to set up play action..
He worked with Rex, who Pettine has worked with, so its a fit. Ok but he didn't do it very well. And as for dealing with QB issues, he didn't do that very well either. What makes that bad is that we have a ton of QB question marks. Not sure this is the right guy.
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Maybe they should ask for permission to interview Jason Garrett? I know you are joking, but we did ask for permission to interview Scott Linehan and Bill Callahan. I would love Linehan, Callahan is about as bad as Chan Gailey.
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