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I believe it's all about one's opinions and perspective on the issue and I'm certainly not saying I'm right. My question concerning this situation is more of what went down to cause this situation in the first place.

I've seen one theory floated around that I just can't seem to buy into. That's the theory he planned on leaving anyway and so he left because he "hoped he'd land a better job". Now had he jumped ship and suddenly landed a HC gig or a OC position with a SB contending type team, then I may see that as plausible. But I don't see him simply jumping ship based on "hopes and dreams".

What I see as a logical answer is that he saw an environment built that prevented him from being successful. I believe a QB was forced on him he simply felt would be harmful to a winning environment and that would severely damage his reputation and career.

I believe he felt this FO was going to stick with JFF for at least next year and he felt that would be a suicidal move. Now I'm not so sure that it's Pettine or Farmer that wanted to draft Manziel or wish to stick with Manziel. I doubt it was their idea to change the uniforms either.

Could it be the man who said "It's all about marketing"?

My point is if the Browns think they'll get a better OC than Shanahan, they're wrong.

Honest question here Tab.....

Where are these great jobs that Shanahan and McDaniels stepped up to?

Now I could understand if they had some great offer waiting in the wings that gives them some huge upgrade. But that's not what I see at all.

Cleveland Browns interviewed Mike Martz, former Rams HC, for OC vacancy

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._social_feature

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Looking to enhance their passing game, the Browns have interviewed former Rams head coach Mike Martz for their offensive coordinator vacancy, a league source confirmed for Northeast Ohio Media Group.

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport first reported the interview.

Martz, 63, is best known for being the offensive coordinator of "The Greatest Show on Turf,'' -- the high-powered Rams offense that won the Super Bowl after the 1999 season under head coach Dick Vermeil. The Rams' top-ranked offense scored 526 points that season, fourth-most in NFL history.

Martz took over for Vermeil in 2000 and went on to post a 56-36 record in five seasons as the Rams head coach, including 3-4 in postseason. His club went 14-2 in 2001 and lost to New England in the Super Bowl.

Martz has been out of football since he resigned as offensive coordinator of the Bears after the 2011 season for what were believed to be philosophical differences with then head coach Lovie Smith.

Martz is the second former NFL head coach who's been out of football awhile to interview for the job. The other is Chan Gailey, who's been idle since being fired by the Bears in 2012.

Martz' passing offense was 28th in his first season as Bears' coordinator, and he clashed with temperamental quarterback Jay Cutler. But he helped the Bears to a 7-3 start in 2011 before injuries to Cutler and running back Matt Forte.

A member of Martz' 1999 offensive staff, current Raiders senior offensive assistant Al Saunders, will interview with Browns general manager Ray Farmer and coach Mike Pettine for the Browns coordinator position Tuesday at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala. They'll also talk to Jets assistant head coach/running backs coach Anthony Lynn for the job today.

The Browns have also interviewed Marc Trestman, Gailey, their tight ends coach Brian Angelichio, Raiders quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo and Bills assistant Jim Hostler. They had planned to interview Greg Roman (now with the Bills), Bill Callahan (now with the Redskins) and Scott Linehan (who remained in Dallas.

The Browns are also believed to have some interest in Packers offensive coordinator Tom Clements, but it remains to be seen if they will request permission from the Packers to interview him. Mike McCarthy currently calls the plays in Green Bay.

Isn't pass blocking our o-lines strength?

West coast...air coryell...similar philosophies.

We just need to stick to something that is similar to what we ran

During the draft Tab. I don't for one second believe that anyone who is a good talent evaluator would pass over Bridgewater for JFF. I don't buy into that being Farmers call. I don't buy into it being something that either Shanahan or Pettine promoted.

At first I didn't believe that. At first I saw the text to Haslam as more Farmer and Loggaines looking for permission from Haslam to move up to draft Manziel.

Later it came out that Loggaines wasn't even in the draft room. Now I don't believe my opinion is the only valid possibility. I don't have the market cornered on opinions or theories.

But JFF wasn't anything close to a possible franchise QB. By almost every measure he was a huge reach. To me we have one of to things to worry about.....

1. Either a meddling owner who is more concerned about making a splash and marketing than allowing the people he hired to do their jobs....

or.....

2. A GM who has an uncanny ability at failing miserably at evaluating the QB position.

Neither of those is a good thing.

JC,

Would it mean anything if the Browns were, again, last in hiring the OC after these other HC vacancies have been filled along with their coaching staffs? Would this indicate that the FO has developed a working environment that was not desirable? I'm just throwing this thought out there because I believe that outside of maybe the Raiders or Jags, we have the least desired FO to work for and the only cure for this team in bringing in sustainable talent is winning consistently.

I believe when you look at the turnover in the FO, HC's and OC's, we would very likely be a poor candidate for top talent in the coaching department.

The what now?

Many times teams interview coaches to see how they would handle a certain situation, but they have no intention of actually hiring the person.

I would guess they asked Martz what he would do with Manziel to compare his answer to other interviewees. I would be shocked if we hired Mike Martz. If we did I would take it as a clear sign that we are moving on from Manziel.

tbh just give us the OC for the Aggies. His resume is extremely short, but pretty darn impressive.

Ravens hired Trestman

Scratch him off the list.

If we hired Jake Spatival, I would be tempted to stop watching the Browns until everyone associated with that decision was fired.

Why? Because he is not as dreamy as Kliff Kingsbury?

Because he's a 29 year old with zero NFL experience whose resume of grooming QB's includes Brandon Weeden, Geno Smith and Johnny Manziel.

(To be fair to him, those guys performed well in college, which was his job).

Trestman going to the Ravens is interesting. Saunders, Martz, Defillipo topping my list.

And he's coached under three guys who are offensive wizards. How much impact did he really have?

I wouldn't be mad if we hired him because at least we would be thinking outside the box, but I don't see any scenario in which we would hire him.

So basically, any of the only guys left.

Farmer had a first round grade on Manziel.

Manziel's issues are upstairs.

Do any of you remember that "leaked" Patriots scouting report on Manziel? I reread it this morning. All of the bad stuff came to fruition. And most of the bad stuff had little to do with physical and mostly attitude. The thing that stuck out to me the most is Johnny is a con artist (eluded to in the report). He treats his coaches one way and everyone else another. In other words, he is great at telling people what they want to hear. That's exactly what he's done his entire first year here.

The other damning parts were his lack of work ethic and need for attention. Fast forward ... again, that's exactly what we got.

He was a hell of a gamer in college. I suspect teams that had him graded high were hoping that he was just being a college guy and that he would mature once reaching this level. I'm sure he sweet talked them as well. He is incredibly adept at handling the media and fans and I'm sure coaches. I'm sure he told them he would mature and put his college days behind him. I think Farmer bought it hook, line, and sinker.

You bring up some good points. I guess it's just a difference in our perspective. I'd rather have an unknown, but somewhat promising coach than a flameout. Many people, including you , have already made a small argument for what he has going for him (Working a lot with a little, being around offensive geniuses, etc., etc.) that I don't feel the need to type an argument during my procrastination period.

Granted, the move could also be completely horrible. It's one of those boom or busts moves, but I think that's what the Browns might need.

well, one thing I think we can say for sure, his worth ethic is not very good at all.

that can be fixed of course. he needs to apply himself and WORK. But it can be done.

Has a guy with absolutely zero NFL experience ever been given an OC job before?

j/c

Jags fill their OC role.

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Oh, I have no real expectation that he would ever be hired. This is more of me throwing it into the ether. Letting me to brag in a few years when he becomes successful

But to entertain this discussion, no. However, there have been few HC's who have became NFL HC's with no NFL experience. Why would the same logic not apply?

It's cool. He wouldn't have been an exciting hire....

Did any of them not end horribly?

Honestly asking...the only one I can think of is Spurrier.

Dirk Koetter

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Wait, we finally have a GM on board who has a vision and is willing to STICK TO IT and you are unhappy. Go figure! We need some vision and plan that can be built upon through free agency, the draft and trade. Stick to a plan build toward a plan and make it work.

This jumping around with no vision or plan for the future will not work.

Putting together a winner is similar to putting together a puzzle. If you switch to different puzzle pieces from a different puzzle half way through, they will not fit. Build the framework (edges) and fill in the missing pieces for a complete picture of a winner. Stay the course and start with a championship QB.

Chip Kelly

Jimmy Johnson.

Short list of those successful, Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer to extent, but that success was off Jimmy Johnson's team.

I didn't we just try that last April with the #22 pick in the draft?

No, that was bust or bust.

Not with a definite explanation point, but I have seen nothing that gives even the slightest indication otherwise.



And who knows how much further Manziel would have fallen had we not selected him.




So he was a confirmed project at best. I agree.




Which I said meant nothing when it happened and so far that has proven to be true.



Laugh all you wish. I laugh at some of your theories too. It's all good.



Sometimes your posts confuse me. Either you feel they made a mistake and should explore trying to draft Mariota like you said in another thread, or you believe he will be the answer and give him another year.

I take it you still haven't been keeping score?



I'd love to be wrong. But from maturity to production, he'll have to grow up and do a 180 to make that happen. I wish you luck with your prediction. So we shouldn't try to move up to get Mariota then?



I'm just playin' Tab so don't take offense Bud.

yea. like you will stand in line saying everyone was right and you were wrong?

I'm just sayin...

If we judged Bridgewater off of his first 8 quarters he wouldn't be anything to write home about either.