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Am I lost?
Is this a JF thread or a Browns futile attempt to land the last OC in football thread?

Well, the two may be far more related than some think.

Musgrave

Olson

Trestman

Only browns fans could look at this list and be worried the "best candidates" are taken.

LMAO

If we had hired any of these three most would have crapped their pants trying to get to their computer to bitch about it.

some of you just wallow in misery

more related or directly related?

I believe the fact we've been through an OC every year for what, four years now? Instability at HC, GM and every other coaching position known to mankind may play a big part of it too.

So between that and being strapped with Manziel, I'd say those are the two biggest factors in having trouble finding a top candidate.

i will tell you what i think. i think if Kyle Shanahan thought johnny chuckles was a good nfl QB he would have rode him to a HC job somewhere.

After the last few months or so, this is the conclusion I have come to as well.

Misery is the comfort spot for Browns fans. They know nothing else. Latch onto anything that will allow you to stay in that miserable state.

j/c

Gentlemen, our problems may be solved. Marty Mornhinweg to the rescue, possibly.

Hopefully, Pettine wouldn't allow him to make decisions immediately following the coin toss.

Jeremy Fowler
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Browns expected to interview former Jets/Eagles coordinator Marty Mornhinweg this week at the Senior Bowl, per source

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It's always good to know which people are clueless trolls.

Pettine worked with Mornhinweg in New York (the Jets).

I am hoping to see Gase on the interview list at some point. Kind of shocking that he is still out there.

Suicidal is about right. The Browns planning to stick with JJO (if that is indeed what they plan to do) is a one way ticket to nowhere. This guy will bury himself and the Browns from a PR standpoint unless he improves DRAMATICALLY over this past season. The jersey and ticket sales opportunity has sailed for Haslam. If JJO produces a season that sees the Browns win LESS than 7 games AND Haslam decides to fire Pettine and Farmer then everyone will know that Haslam knows NOTHING about the NFL game. Even worse, his words will mean NOTHING. Sadly, it will mean he learned NOTHING from his time being associated with Pittsburgh.

I don't see anything positive from JJO being installed as the starting QB for the Browns next season. But it won't surprise me if it happens. Good luck with that. LOL

I don't know about that, steve.

Teddy had a qb rating of 90.3 in his first game and a rating of 114.1 in his second game.


In games 3 and 4, he threw for over 300 yards in each game and Minnesota's offensive talent is amongst the very worst in the entire NFL.

I have the ticket, and I'm telling you........the guy was by far the class of the rookie qbs.

As long as he has nothing to do with coin tosses in overtime, why not?

Yeah, you guys are so right. Things are looking great for the Browns. Let's see:

--our two first round picks look like busts.

--we had two first round picks from two years ago bust and are not even w/the team.

--we haven't had a winning record since when....?

--our OC wanted out because our FO is so dysfunctional.

--our most talented player keeps getting suspended, misses meetings, and doesn't know the routes.

--we go through coaches like water.

--our owner is a crook.

--we have finished in last place how many times the last 10 years?

--our GM is clueless and had almost no experience w/drafting players until this year. Gee, I wonder why his first draft was such a disaster?

Want me to continue?

Or, are we just making things up and everything is perfect in Cleveland. What's that phrase you guys like to trot out while mocking those who see issues w/the team? Oh yeah............."we're finally on the right track." Never heard that one before. LOL

And you know what...........I have no issue w/you guys being positive even if there is not much be positive about, but when you dismiss valid statements out of hand by saying stupid stuff like Brown's fans just like to wallow in misery.......well.....I gotta take exception to such foolishness.

We don't like it at all. And your lame attempt to belittle people who offer an realistic evaluation of the team doesn't change things. The Browns are who we thought they were.

And they still are.

This is the first candidate that I can actually support. He isn't as good as Shanny, but he is a pretty sharp mind and has had some success.

Pettine left the Jets after the 2012 season. Mornhinweg didn't come to the Jets until 2013 season when Pettine was in Buffalo.

Update on Gase:

Ian RapoportVerified account
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Former #Broncos OC Adam Gase is flying to Chicago to interview for #Bears OC tomorrow, source said. Could move very quickly.

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Lane Adkins is reporting the Browns are close to signing John DeFilippo to the staff. Doesn't specify as QB coach or OC.


LA - theOBR
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@TheOBR http://cle.scout.com has learned the Browns are closing in on adding Oakland Raiders QB coach John DeFilippo to their staff.

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And here's another name to the Possible Browns OC list...


Ian RapoportVerified account
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The #Browns interviewed #Rams QB coach Frank Cignetti for their vacant OC job today, source said.


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Little more on Cignetti before he was hired by the Rams.

Just Who Exactly Is Frank Cignetti, Besides Possibly The Rams; New QB Coach?



The St. Louis Rams reportedly hired a quarterbacks coach on Tuesday, choosing Rutgers' offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti. After a tough sophomore season for Sam Bradford, following his Offensive Rookie of the Year debut the season before, it's easily the most watched assistant coaching position on Jeff Fisher's staff.

Reaction so far is best described as "huh?" given that Cignetti was pretty far off the radar as far as the public knew.

Two other names had been mentioned recently as candidates for the Rams quarterbacks coaching job. Alex Van Pelt, the Buccaneers former QB coach, and Bart Andrus, the quarterbacks coach who worked with Fisher early in the careers of Steve McNair and Vince Young.

If in fact, Marvez' report is correct, then Cignetti must have some pretty solid recommendations to beat out two guys with established NFL bona fides, especially one that worked directly with Fisher's two most high profile quarterbacks from his Tennessee days.

Rutgers fans think fairly well of Cignetti. I turned to On The Banks, SB Nation's Scarlet Knights community, for more insight.

From a discussion about who should be their next head coach:

Frank Cignetti - Current Rutgers offensive coordinator is well-liked, which will at least warrant an interview in the name of continuity. Paul Zeise claimed that he had a chance at the Pitt job last year, but lost out due to the perception that he is a bit too ambitious and quick to interview for new jobs. Still, Cignetti proved to be a miracle worker at Rutgers in 2011; think about it like this. If Greg Schiano never hired Cignetti, he'd be closer to out of a job at Rutgers today than the head guy in charge down in Tampa. The best reason to hire Cignetti? Pitt doesn't seem to have a clue what they are doing, and they didn't want him, so clearly there must be some upside here.

From a Nov. 2011 assessmentof the coaching staff (Cignetti wasn't working with elite QB talent during his stint at Rutgers):

Frank Cignetti - this was pretty much night and day from 2010 and the unending nightmare of Kirk Ciarrocca's tenure. Is Cignetti a perfect play caller? Of course not, but he is a genuine, qualified DI offensive coordinator, who stemmed the bleeding and made Rutgers relevant again. Now the challenge will to build on this year, and bring to light a truly dynamic attack next season. More of his personnel will be in place, with the players having another year to learn his scheme, but Cigs will have to make everything work absent the performance of Mohamed Sanu. It's on Cignetti's shoulders to develop one of Gary Nova or Chas Dodd into a credible starter. Let's hope a suitor with deep pockets doesn't come calling, or that Cignetti is tired of moving around for a while.

Another thing that's clear is Cignetti runs a conservative, ball-control offense, or at least he did at Rutgers. He's not running the offense in St. Louis, but he working for an offensive coordinator who is on the record as stating a preference for the running game and making the play action a big part of the offensive game plan.

At Rutgers, Cignetti worked with the quarterbacks, but he also ran the entire offense, something else to consider when looking at his track record there.

Yeah, you guys are right. We're just "wallowing" in misery. Things are sunny and bright. Not having an Oc in place is fine. We don't need one. Just let Pettine run the offense. He's such a GREAT coach he can do all things. His defense was so perfect last year he can forget about it and just run the offense....

I read they interviewed Mike Martz today. He would be perfect for this team and fan base. Shotgun every down. Throw 40+ times evrery game. Greatest show on turf right here in Cleveland. All we'd need is Hoyer back under center and we're SAVED! *snicker*

hell i am starting to wonder why they havent called me in for an interview, damn sure interviewing everyone else lol.

This is what we did last year as well. We hired Loggains to the staff and if we didn't get the offensive coordinator we wanted he was to become the guy.

I think the misery is bought on by fans who simply what to feel sorry for themselves.

Fans listen to the media tell them it is a cluster F because Browns hiring a new OC after one year. Tell me this, why is it different in Baltimore when they hired 4 in four years?

Cam Cameron
Jim Caldwell
Gary Kubiak
Marc Trestman

There's a difference between losing a guy that gets hired to a head coaching gig, and driving an OC out of town through stupidity and interference.

Feel sorry for myself? Hell no. I LOVE how the Browns have played since the return. It's been PERFECT. I wouldn't change ONE THING. Seeing the team I love get bitch slapped by every team in the league for 15 years has been joyous. You seem to really enjoy it. Losing all the time makes you feel warm and fuzzy, right? Why would I want to deprive you of that feeling of SUCK you enjoy so fondly? Here's hoping and praying that the Browns continue the Factory of Sadness for another 100 years. Enjoy!

Cam Cameron...I guess he walked on his own in mid season for that head coach position. Then Ravens hired three fired HCs who did well with their former team.

If I'm not mistaken, we went through this whole song and dance last year. Pettine was a joke and Shanahan is idiot! Oh wait, everyone wasn't slicing wrists after the hire.

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot

#browns canceled their interview today with #raiders sr. Offensive asst Al Saunders, per league source. No reason given, not rescheduled link

he was the guy i wanted but makes it interesting that they would cancel. Did they find their guy in Martz or DeFillipo?

Explain why the media isn't attacking Denver harder than the Browns? After all they were in the PLAYOFFS two years in a row. Talk about loosing continuity ownership there looks much smarter. Heaven for bid Browns lost an offensive coordinator.

Still sounds like fans are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I just saw that too. I thought maybe Cignetti. He fits the bill of out-of-box thinking. Fisher hired him out of no where a couple years ago.

Sounds like DeFilippo is on the staff for sure.

Because Denver agreeing to part ways with a coach people on this board don't care about..

Versus..

Cleveland agreeing to part ways with a coach people on this board think is great...

If we had "mutually parted ways" with Jim O'Neil no one would even bat an eye.. But let a coach (that didn't want to be here) go that people like? Wel that's just silly.. Might as well fire everyone!

j/c

I'm kind of surprised we haven't hired anyone yet. It has made me wonder if we're looking at one of the playoff teams guys. I could only come up with 2 guys - Clyde Christensen from Indy (but we can interview him now and no rumors I've seen yet) or Tom Cable (he's also assistant HC, so I'm not sure we could get him). There's always Brian Daboll (yes, I'm kidding)

j/c

Cross Marty Mornhinweg off the list per Nate Ulrich of the ABJ.

Nate Ulrich
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#Browns won't interview Marty Mornhinweg for OC job, a source said. ESPN.com reported he was expected to interview for gig.
12:52am - 21 Jan 15

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They have their guy then. With defillipo talking contract with them, looks like he is most likely our new OC. Hope we can add a vet coach to go with him, Saunders or Martz if he is indeed the guy.

It sounds like we got our guy, we just don't know who it is yet.

The guys we've interviewed for the offensive coordinator position (who haven't taken other jobs) are:

John DeFilippo
Mike Martz
Brian Angelichio
Frank Cignetti
Jim Hostler
Anthony Lynn

Names that have been linked to us, but have not interviewed (to our knowledge):

Charlie Weis
Tom Clements
Matt Cavanaugh

Canceled interviews:

Al Saunders
Marty Mornhinweg

Guys we were interested in that took other jobs:

Greg Roman
Bill Callahan
Marc Trestman
Scott Linehan
Chan Gailey

I think we will know who our guy is before the end of tomorrow.

I don't see us hiring Saunders without an interview and I don't see Martz coming back to the league to be a QB coach.

My prediction is DeFilippo as our offensive coordinator and Frank Cignetti as our QB coach.

Browns GM Ray Farmer responds lamely to Kyle Shanahan exodus

Are you kidding me?: Some weird stuff came out of the mouth of Browns General Manager Ray Farmer at the Senior Bowl workouts in Mobile, AL, on Tuesday.

Specifically on the issue of the resignation of offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, Farmer demonstrated a lack of accountability and leadership.

Shanahan was given a release from his contract with two years remaining after he unloaded to owner Jimmy Haslam on January 8. Amid the reported grievances that Shanahan spilled on Haslam were interference from the front office and allegations of inappropriate texting during games from team employees.

The NFL is investigating a report by Cleveland.com that texts from a high-level Browns’ personnel executive to an employee on the Browns’ sideline during games violated league rules.

Farmer’s response to these allegations, as reported by Tom Reed of Northeast Ohio Media Group and Zac Jackson of Fox Sports Ohio, was lame.

"In every (building) I've been in, with the Atlanta Falcons, the Kansas City Chiefs and the Cleveland Browns -- the teams I've been associated with -- there's always been a natural friction between front office and the coaches.

“That's just how it is. Sometimes the personnel guys want Player A and the coaches want Player B. The teams that are really, really good, they work through those things. Sometimes, you have to have the hard conversations. Sometimes you look guys in the eye and you argue and you yell, but you're trying to get it right. You're trying to come up with the right answers."

Really?

These disagreements were not the ones over roster spots that naturally spring up over the course of a season. Coaches don’t ask out of their contracts and forfeit their salaries as a result of those typical tugs of war.

Further, Farmer’s past places of employ are not the best examples of how championship teams should be built. Farmer broke in as a scout with the Atlanta Falcons in 2002. In Farmer’s four seasons in Atlanta, the Falcons were 33-30-1 and had a 2-2 record in the postseason. He moved on to Kansas City in 2006 as director of pro personnel. In Farmer’s seven seasons with the Chiefs, the team had a record of 38-74 with two losses in wild-card playoff games.

So if “natural friction” between front office and the coaches was commonplace in those places, it probably should not be emulated.

Further, the point of jettisoning former CEO Joe Banner and GM Mike Lombardi was to eradicate dysfunction and get the front office and the coaching staff on the same page. Obviously, that mission was not accomplished.

The disagreements about personnel, according to sources, included use of defensive players early in the season and pressure to play rookie quarterback Johnny Manziel throughout the year.

"The whole Shanahan thing is what it is,” the news organizations quoted Farmer as saying. “At the end of the day we believe (Mike) Pettine, the coaching staff, is going to find a better guy that's going to move us in a direction we want to go."

The search goes on: Farmer’s last statement strains credulity.

Pettine’s search for a successor to Shanahan has been wide, which is fine, but a bit bizarre.

Three candidates linked to the Browns have been out of the NFL for four years (Charlie Weis), three years (Mike Martz) and two years (Chan Gailey).

Gailey reportedly agreed to join the New York Jets on Tuesday. Thus, he follows Greg Roman (Bills), Bill Callahan (Redskins) and Marc Trestman (Ravens) as prospective Browns candidates to sign elsewhere.

Reports are that Pettine, while in Mobile, will interview Anthony Lynn, former assistant head coach/running backs coach of the Jets; John DeFilippo, Raiders QB coach, whom Pettine interviewed a year ago; and Marty Mornhinweg, former Jets offensive coordinator.

Pettine also has reportedly interviewed former Buffalo assistant Mike Hostler, Rams QB coach Frank Cignetti and Browns tight ends coach Brian Angelichio.

Meanwhile, two former Browns head coach candidates with offensive backgrounds have not been on the long list of coordinator candidates. They are Doug Marrone, the former Buffalo head coach who joined the Jacksonville Jaguars on Tuesday; and Adam Gase, the former Denver coordinator who is interviewing with other teams.

Reconsidering the flow chart: When Haslam fired Banner and Lombardi in February of 2014, he said he did it to “streamline” the organization. As CEO, Banner was the immediate supervisor to whom football and business operations reported.

Haslam’s reorganization resulted in a flow chart that called for Pettine, Farmer and President Alec Scheiner to report directly to Haslam.

That might work if Haslam maintained office hours all the time in Browns headquarters. But Haslam spent approximately one work day a week in the team’s headquarters. He also attended every game at home and on the road. The bulk of Haslam’s work week was devoted to his Pilot Flying J company based in Knoxville, TN.

It’s possible under Haslam’s reorganization that he might not have been aware of the extent of the friction between Farmer, the coaching staff and Scheiner until Shanahan’s exit meeting. But that’s hard to believe.

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=41711

Tony Grossi strikes again.
I don't know what the word "credulity" means,but,"it is what it is" might just be the most stated phrase in the football world.Like the F word it has many meanings.
Re reading this article,there's so much crap that I've lost interest and quite frankly it really doesn't deserve the time or energy to comment.

cfrs, hiring Cignetti would be a lateral move since he is the QB coach on the Rams. Frank did some good things in St. Louis. When Bradford went down, he made that offense respectable with two backup QBs Shaun Hill and Austin Davis. Davis, third string, started several games.

Only thing I question about Cignetti is why Fisher is not considering for his OC.