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I really want to like B.Petty. He has mobility, size and a cannon arm, but everything else is a mess imho, including his accuracy. Here you go DJ... Jeremy Fowler ‏@JFowlerESPN I’m told Browns scouting came away impressed with Baylor QB Bryce Petty after Sr Bowl interview Link
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I really want to like B.Petty. He has mobility, size and a cannon arm, but everything else is a mess imho, including his accuracy. Petty was my #1 QB coming into this year but he just really seemed to regress in most areas.
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I really want to like B.Petty. He has mobility, size and a cannon arm, but everything else is a mess imho, including his accuracy. Here you go DJ... Jeremy Fowler ‏@JFowlerESPN I’m told Browns scouting came away impressed with Baylor QB Bryce Petty after Sr Bowl interview Link Oh gosh. Grasping at straws.
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I mean being impressed at an interview is fine.
Petty seems like a great kid.
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I've read mixed reviews on Petty's practice today, but have yet to view it. I would like to hear your take if you get the chance.
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I've read mixed reviews on Petty's practice today, but have yet to view it. I would like to hear your take if you get the chance. I haven't seen his practice yet today. He was throwing at people's feet yesterday but that's understandable doing new things (dropping back, throwing to new receivers, etc) for the first day... but my main thing is why are we looking to potentially do something different than Manziel at QB by getting a guy who came from an offense with no playbook who threw to wide open, talented receivers and never took a snap out of shotgun, especially if we are hiring an OC who is going to run an offense similar to WCO? It's got more to do with Petty coming from a similar poor frame of reference for what he's going to be asked to do by investing a potential second day pick. I guess it comes down to... do you think the only thing holding Manziel back is attitude? Because Petty has nothing over Manziel in terms of resume and experience, or even skills. Why press the reset button with an equally blank slate?
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Because we're going to Trade Manziel and a 3rd to Philly for Nick Foles and a 4th.. Then Philly can trade up for Mariotta.. and We draft Petty as Foles' backup.. 
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I didn't see a lot of the Baylor games this year but I watched them demolish Kansas State and then beat Michigan State in the Cotton Bowl. I don't know for sure how accurate that Petty is or how many NFL type of throws he can make, but what I really liked about him was his quick release, his size, and from what I could tell he was able to read the field and not lock onto one single receiver the entire play. That trait is really important when it comes to playing in the NFL.
I'm off the Manziel bandwagon until he proves that anyone should be on it...
His off the field immaturity issues mixed with his poor play during his two games doesn't have me in any way shape or form optimistic that he'll turn things around and be good next season.
Honestly though I think this teams BEST play is to call up the Eagles and see what we can do to get Nick Foles. We have 10 draft picks, send them a 2nd round, 4th round and both 6th round picks. That gives them an extra four picks to package in a deal to move up for Mariota....
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If we trade for Nick Foles while helping Chip Kelly get Mariota (who he clearly thinks is the real deal), I'll barf. Pay the extra picks and just go get Mariota for ourselves.
Look at it this way: Chip Kelly had Foles on the roster in 2013. What did Chip do?
He went out and drafted Matt Barkley in the 4th. Then, he let Foles compete with Vick for the starting job... and Foles lost. Foles only got the job when Vick got hurt. He went out and threw for a 27:2 TD:INT ratio and a 120 QB rating combined with a Pro Bowl spot. What did Chip do?
He went and signed Mark Sanchez; there were whispers as early as training camp that Foles was going to regress and that Sanchez might be the better QB but 2013 got Foles the nod. Foles got hurt, Sanchez took over and outplayed Foles. Now what is Chip doing?
He's trying to replace Foles with Mariota. Chip has been trying to replace Foles ever since he got to Philly. I understand that Mariota is a better fit for his system but there's a reason Chip is trying to dump Foles and it's not because he's a stud. He's been overrated for a long time now.
I don't mind him as a stopgap solution necessarily but if we take on a stopgap while helping Chip get a franchise guy with way more upside, I'll be pretty livid.
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I agree with everything you said. Foles is above-average because he is in Kelly's system. Put him in a traditional NFL and he is screwed.
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I don't see the point in drafting a QB from this class either. Unless we are getting Winston it is pretty much pointless. I am just curious at what people are seeing with Petty. People don't really think he can come in and play right away, right?
The only options, to me, are stay with Manziel and bring in a veteran to compete (Bradford? Sanchez? Matt Moore? Mallett?), sign a veteran and name him the starter (I like to call this the "McCown"), or name Manziel the starter and support him 100%. Those are the only real options unless something unforeseen happens.
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I don't see the point in drafting a QB from this class either. Unless we are getting Winston it is pretty much pointless. I am just curious at what people are seeing with Petty. People don't really think he can come in and play right away, right?
The only options, to me, are stay with Manziel and bring in a veteran to compete (Bradford? Sanchez? Matt Moore? Mallett?), sign a veteran and name him the starter (I like to call this the "McCown"), or name Manziel the starter and support him 100%. Those are the only real options unless something unforeseen happens.
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The way I see it is that we are just screwed. I don't see any real talent coming out for years. This might be the last draft for a while with at least a decent first round QB and we have no nopes of getting them 8(
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I think Foles would actually benefit more by going to a more traditional offense. He is accurate and has a hell of an arm. Behind our O-line he would do very well.
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Starting to like what I see from watching over petty.
He seems to know where he is going to throw it before the snap. He hits receivers in stride a lot of the time. He is big and physical. His ball has good velocity and he has good throwing motion.
He does tend to hold the ball too long sometimes and will stare down his receivers a bit.
I think he warrants a mid to late 1st round rating. At the least a high 2nd. I would not mind spending a pick on him.
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Haslam wanted Chip Kelly bad. He did not want the Browns.
Kelly wants Mariota for many reasons. The prime reason is: he is an upgrade over Foles and Sanchez.
Foles a guy who has had some success playing in the NFL. As did Sanchez. Yet Kelly knows what Mariota brings to the table.
If Haslam is in tune to any thing? Maybe, just maybe he might figure that Kelly knows something and that there are very good reasons to go after Mariota.
Mariota is a true franchise prospect. Forget Oregon and their offense.
I don't care what college you come from. The NFL is a different game. The players are bigger, faster, stronger and there are grown men in the NFL.
All college players have a learning curve in the NFL.
No matter how much talent you have; you have to work hard. You have to be serious about your job.
After a couple years your college background is meaningless. What matters is how hard you work.
Mariota comes prepared for that fact. He is wired to work hard and he has the skills to succeed.
Maybe the Browns should figure that out since Otto Graham retired in 1955 and he is the only Browns quarterback to win multiple championships. That it takes a ten plus year solution at quarterback to give a team a legit shot at a title.
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the same guy who said weeden was gonna be great in the league. hmm...
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I'm not sure why Foles is getting such a negative reaction from so many. He's a young kid with a good arm and he's had a lot of success. Didn't he have the Eagles at 6-2 before he got hurt? The year before when he took over for Vick he went like 7-2 as the starter and helped get them into the playoffs. Sure that spread offense helps pad numbers but he's still be an above average quarterback. I guess I'm in the minority here but if we could get him for our 2nd round draft pick I would do it in a heart beat.
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Along with Holmgren on Weeden.
He also said he would not take Manziel before the third round.
Jaworski not only played the position but has studied and covered the position for over thirty years.
He has a lot more credibility than most who cover college and pro quarterbacks.
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This question is for anyone who has an opinion:
Mariota vs Petty
Why is Mariota a clear 1st rounder possibly number one overall and Petty is considered a 3rd/4th rounder, 2nd rounder at best?
From what I have seen: Similar size, similar arm strength, similar accuracy, both spread type offenses, both reportedly hard workers and good leaders.
What differences are there between the 2 to warrant such a difference in draft position?
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I know I have not read all the articles out there over the season. But on this POOR WORK ETHIC. The only one I remember to have read something on that accord was Johnny Manziel criticizing himself.
I don't remember once the coaches or players remarking about him not having a good work ethic. Of course a lot of articles editorializing off of JM's remarks about himself. Again not saying there hasn't been but I possibly have missed it a lot of inuendo by the media. Just asking if we got a definite report of this besides some speculations off of the comments JM made about himself.
jmh? Partying does not equal a work ethic. Johnny is about that hype not about the GAME. On top of that he couldn't stay healthy for more than TWO games in the NFL. He got hurt FAST. Something I predicted the day we drafted the smallest QB in the league. A tiny little guy that loves to RUN. Gee, I wonder why he got hurt? How could that possibly happen? While we desperately NEED to draft a real quarterback, I seriously doubt Farmer will do so. He'd have to admit he screwed the pooch last draft picking Johnny. Farmer doesn't strike me as a man that will admit a mistake. His ego is way too big. So watch for Johnny to be under center game one(if he survives the preseason) and for some other schmuck to be under center by game four while Johnny is injured again.....
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Along with Holmgren on Weeden.
He also said he would not take Manziel before the third round.
Jaworski not only played the position but has studied and covered the position for over thirty years.
He has a lot more credibility than most who cover college and pro quarterbacks.
I remeber watching Jaworski play. The "Polish Cannon". That guy had an ARM. Big time. I wouldn't mind finding a guy like that in the draft if one exists. Rams found him in the 2nd round.
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Along with Holmgren on Weeden.
He also said he would not take Manziel before the third round.
Jaworski not only played the position but has studied and covered the position for over thirty years.
He has a lot more credibility than most who cover college and pro quarterbacks.
I remeber watching Jaworski play. The "Polish Cannon". That guy had an ARM. Big time. I wouldn't mind finding a guy like that in the draft if one exists. Rams found him in the 2nd round. I think Jaws is a dick, but, I got to give him kudos on his knowledge, ( for the most part), you can tell he puts in his work. Your right he did have a canon, and actually pretty good touch as well.
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I love Jaws.. But.. Jaws, cycling through his annual quarterback rankings, watched every one of Weeden's throws from 2012 and came away impressed, going so far as to say the 29-year-old passer "will be a rock-solid NFL starter in Norv Turner's offense," per Evan Silva of Rotoworld. "For a rookie, Weeden showed uncommon poise and calm in the pocket," said Jaworski, who called Weeden's mechanics "consistently solid" and touted the quarterback's ability to "sit on his back foot and drive the ball with velocity." link Not a ringing endorsement.
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I love Jaws.. But.. Jaws, cycling through his annual quarterback rankings, watched every one of Weeden's throws from 2012 and came away impressed, going so far as to say the 29-year-old passer "will be a rock-solid NFL starter in Norv Turner's offense," per Evan Silva of Rotoworld. "For a rookie, Weeden showed uncommon poise and calm in the pocket," said Jaworski, who called Weeden's mechanics "consistently solid" and touted the quarterback's ability to "sit on his back foot and drive the ball with velocity." link Not a ringing endorsement. ok you got me on that one...  I would say that assessment might be just a bit off.  He did forget to mention the flip passes.
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My felling is the Petty will go before Hundley and will probably not make it deep into the second round. Too many teams with QB needs, and willing to tale a gamble in the second.
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This question is for anyone who has an opinion:
Mariota vs Petty
Why is Mariota a clear 1st rounder possibly number one overall and Petty is considered a 3rd/4th rounder, 2nd rounder at best?
From what I have seen: Similar size, similar arm strength, similar accuracy, both spread type offenses, both reportedly hard workers and good leaders.
What differences are there between the 2 to warrant such a difference in draft position? Petty is nowhere close to the athlete that Mariota is... Petty is OK but Mariota is special. I also don't think his accuracy is nearly as good as Mariota's and that can be attributed to lousy footwork. I just think Petty is farther away than Mariota with less upside so that's why you're seeing him back a few rounds.
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If Farmer doesn't ink a QB in free agency (or trade 3 first rounders to move up and get one) and JF is a bust in preseason, Farmer is HISTORY.
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I think Farmer will get a reprieve on Manziel because he probably wasn't the one who picked him.
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I think Farmer will get a reprieve on Manziel because he probably wasn't the one who picked him. I hope so. Like Millcreek Dawg said, if he doesn't fix the position this off-season, he's likely out of a job. What costs these guys all too often is that they make a mistake and are stuck with him for multiple years which eventually gets them fired. He needs to be allowed to do a FRESH evaluation of the position. If Johnny is the solution, then great. If he isn't and it's a free agent QB, he needs to be able to get his guy. If his guy is Mariota, he needs to be allowed to sell the farm for him. I just hope he's given a blank slate. If he's stuck with Johnny for reasons other than him giving us the best chance to win, he's doomed before we even get going.
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It needs to be explained to Haslam that there are no good options that will fix our QB position this off-season. Literally none.
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I would be happy if we ended up with any one of the three Chiefs' backups, in this order:
1) Aaron Murray
2) Tyler Bray
3) Chase Daniel
The Chiefs desperately need a WR. I'd try to get (Murray or Bray) + #18 for Gordon.
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I would be happy if we ended up with any one of the three Chiefs' backups, in this order:
1) Aaron Murray
2) Tyler Bray
3) Chase Daniel
The Chiefs desperately need a WR. I'd try to get (Murray or Bray) + #18 for Gordon. Tyler Bray just tore his ACL this past week. The Chiefs also signed Tyrelle Pryor. The fact that we are even talking about these three guys as options is depressing.
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I would be happy if we ended up with any one of the three Chiefs' backups, in this order:
1) Aaron Murray
2) Tyler Bray
3) Chase Daniel
The Chiefs desperately need a WR. I'd try to get (Murray or Bray) + #18 for Gordon. Tyler Bray just tore his ACL this past week. The Chiefs also signed Tyrelle Pryor. The fact that we are even talking about these three guys as options is depressing. lol didn't know that. Thanks. I redact my statement.
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It needs to be explained to Haslam that there are no good options that will fix our QB position this off-season. Literally none. Maybe not fix it fully this off-season but there are definitely upgrades to be had. Maybe there's someone in FA they like more than Manziel? Maybe Farmer really loves Mariota and wants to deal up for him? The last thing we can afford is going into next year with crap at QB just because there's no perfect solution.
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He looked petty good in the one game I saw him play this season. Talking technique and accuracy of course its college environment so so hard to evaluate...for the paid guys let alone us amateurs.
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The last thing we can afford is going into next year with crap at QB just because there's no perfect solution. Changing to someone else's crap because you don't like your current crap rarely makes sense. Stick with the crap you know. They all stink, but at least you know already what your crap can and can't do.
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I'd at least like to have some crap with upside.
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