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Maybe, but that's not what he said in a presser. He said that the Manziel pick was his and Haslam had not made the decision.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/05/cleveland_browns_ray_farmer_sa.html

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/120977...-johnny-manziel

He can't use that as a defense if he's fired and it can be used as ammo by the owner if he makes that decision to fire Farmer.

What do expect him to say?

To be honest I hope Farmer and Pettine will be here at least 5-8 years. They are both young and learning as they go but I feel if they are allowed time to develop as a management team that they will do better and better.

It's not just players that get better with experience. Even if flip is not the answer eventually pettine will develop the BROWNS offensive system when we can infuse young talent at the OC spot to have long term growth.

When we can draft a QB and keep him in the same system for a 3-5 year period is when we can turn them into QBs with their full potential. I want to get rid of Manziel if he doesn't show anything because its impossible to draft his back up if they try to make a gimmick offense to fit him and he won't do his best unless you customize the offense to fit him.

I say you draft the best prototypical QB you can get a hold of like petty and then draft another QB later in the rounds who plays similar this year or next. You keep the plays for either one the same that way and if the backup has to come in he has a better chance to succeed too. JMHO.

How is Petty a prototypical QB? If this was a normal QB class he wouldn't go till like the 5th round.

I think that is exaggerating a bit to say 5th round.

He is a typical because he is tall, strong armed, and clearly a pocket passer. He is not bad at running it if not great. He is pretty good at making reads and knowing where he plans to go with the ball presnap. I don't claim to know anything more than that because that is all I have seen.

Still in a good draft I think he would be a 2nd to 3rd round pick. The thing is this draft and probably next year's too and maybe even a while after that will not be good QB drafts. I mean the world does not just keep spitting out star QB's just because the Browns want and need one. Petty can be an OK qb IMHO. At this point that is a big improvement.

Gotta work with what is available mate =)

Reaching for talent in a down year is one of the worst things a team can do. Last year was a semi-deep QB class. If Petty was in that class he would have been behind Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, Carr, and Garoppolo. Petty would be in the Mettenberger, Savage, and Murray, McCarron group. The only reason anyone wants him this year is because all of the other options suck.

Petty has never read a defense, been in a huddle taken snaps under center, or been in a pro style offense. He could be the third best QB in the class, but that is only because everyone else stinks. Petty is a work in progress at best.

Also, drafting on the projected talent in 2016 is also a horrible idea. Players come out of nowhere all the time (who would have thought Cam Newton would have been the first overall pick a year before he was drafted. No one).

If we draft a QB we better be drafting a guy who can play right away, because we are going to have some crappy veteran, Manziel, and that rookie on the roster. Odds are that he is going to play. There is only one QB that can play day one in an NFL offense both physically and mentally -- Jameis Winston. And we aren't getting him.

I have seen Petty reading defences and changing what he does to take advantage of it. He is a lot better than your giving him credit for. Yes this draft sucks for QB's beyond the first two picks. Its going to suck even worse next season. You can't wait 3-4 seasons to grab someone. You draft what you can and until you find a QB that sticks you have to keep trying, plain and simple.

Winston won't be anymore or less ready than Mariotta. They are both have to learn all new playbooks and then execute them. I have serious doubts about Winston being the kind of leader we need for a young football team. It's sad to see all that talent wasted on a guy too stupid to live like he needs to in order to succeed at the NFL level.

i want nothing to do with Headcase Winston who will probably spend half his career suspended for doing stupid things.

Except for being "third best Qb in the class" are you not also describing Mariotta?

You know that he went to Arizona and not Oregon, right?

I expect him to say that, as owner, Jimmy would have had some input if he wanted to give it.

Or, he could have said that neither Dowell Loggains nor a homeless guy had any influence on the decision.

As for Jimmy Haslam, we all know that he certainly doesn't shy away from giving his input if he feels that it's warranted.

I would like us to try and get by in 2015 with whatever we can get at qb be it with a fa signing or a lower rd draft choice. Then we can use the rest of fa and the draft to build the rest of the team. Maybe we can finally solve the run D problem,pass rushers and depth issues.

You know that Chip Kelly is the coach of the Eagles, right?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYards

Brandon Doughty mid rounds

I want nothing to do with Foles. I think he is a product of Kelly's system. I would be not give up much for him.


IIRC some were wondering if he could even run that offense. didn't he run a pro style in college?

Yes, and I also know that Chip Kelly didn't draft Nick Foles and is trying to get his QB in there.

Nick Foles did at Arizona, not some gimmicky college crap that Kelly runs.

What things do you like about him?

I think Foles would be perfect for the traditional WCO that we will be heading towards.

why would anyone not think Foles is way better than other trade/free agent options? He had one of the greatest seasons any quarterback has ever had two years ago, and he was okay until he got hurt last year. He's 6-5, has a strong arm. I would LOVE to have him. Anyone saying resign Hoer but they don't want Foles is out of their minds. Glennon is also far better than Hoyer. I don't understand how people can argue that he isn't. Someone said Glennon is so bad he could not even beat to McCown. That is silly. He three 19 TDs against 9 picks under Schiano, but Lovie Smith came in and insisted on bringing in his QB from Chicago. It was a total disaster. You can't take from that that McCown is better than Glennon.
I would trade our second No. 1 for Foles and anoint him. If we couldn't do that, I would trade a No. 2 for Glennon, but I think we could get Glennon much cheaper that that.

If we somehow leveraged Kelly's desire to get Marcus Mariota and ended up with Nick Foles on our roster, that would be huge! I'd love to go into camp with Foles, Hoyer (Manziel, Shaw and/or a rookie)! I'd call that a win.

if we don't resign hoyer, foles is the one i would try to deal for.
i wanted to try to get him when kelly was hired, but we never even inquired to my knowledge.

Right, Cold Dawg! Chip is scheming to get Mariota (who I'm not so big on). He'll need his first and another one, plus maybe next year's. We could give him the Bills pick, he gives us a Two and Foles or something. Then he has two ONEs and next year's one to trade. That could work…..

I think we could definitely win with him as our QB. As the starting QB the past two seasons, he is 14-4 with 40 TD, 12 INT.

When the Eagles went to the playoffs last year, he was 23-33 for 195 yds, 2 TD, no INTs in a 26-24 loss to New Orleans.

The one QB I was hoping we might look at in the mid rounds and now he's not available

"Doughty was granted a sixth-year of eligibility by the NCAA and returns to school as the nation's active career leader in touchdown passes (63) and passing yards (7,800), while ranking No. 2 in completion percentage (66.8) and No. 3 in total offense (7,637). Doughty holds nearly every major career record for passers in Hilltopper football history and enters 2015 just 766 yards off the career passing yardage mark. He broke 15 records for WKU, Conference USA and FBS play in 2014."

On the speculative end, of course:







https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer

I think it was documented last year that Farmer really liked Mariota. Seems like that is continuing into this year, too.

One of those guys was drafted in the top 2. (2 if you count both Mannings)

It's possible to find a franchise QB outside of the top 10, even 1st round of the draft.. That takes patience, and good coaching..

We know we don't have one of those..

Throwing draft picks at the "Top QB(s)" is not a solution.

"It's possible to find a franchise QB outside of the top 10, even 1st round of the draft."
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"Throwing draft picks at the "Top QB(s)" is not a solution."
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It all depends on the draft and who is in that draft.

Mariota in my opinion is worth the risk.

Winston from a skill set point of view has it all. He reminds of Big Ben in many ways.

Winston as far as his true character. I can not answer that. He would have to be vetted to the max. (unlike Manziel was).

Each year has it's own footprint.

A organization has to trust someone's judgement on a quarterback.

If I were Haslam I would hire a "consultant".

Meaning someone who has had success at evaluating quarterbacks. Bill Poilian, Bill Parcells, and Ron Wolf come to mind.

Have one of them tell you if one of those guys is worth the gamble.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but didn't he bring on Bill Parcels as a consultant?

It would be a good idea to bring in someone to help with a qb search. Lord knows the regimes we've had here over the years haven't done well. Let's hope they bring in someone who knows what they are doing.

And a little luck. Brady, started in his second hear and had a very good defense, Rodgers sat for a few years but walked into a very stable situation, Brees struggled some, got hurt, played well, then went to a very good situation with Sean Payton, Big Ben walked into one of the most stable orgs in the NFL and had a very good running game and defense...

Simple fact is that none of them achieved greatness on their own and there is more than one way to do it...

I'm not enamored with any of the second tier guys outside of the big 2 this year... I kind of like the Grayson kid out of Colorado State... but he doesn't do anything spectacular...

What has been widely reported is that they did pay someone 100k to do pretty much the same thing last year then ignored it.

Just my opinion from all that I've read, I don't think Mariota is the answer and not worth giving up our 2 #1's for him.

I would bring in a vet qb to compete with JM and whoever else we may have for 2015. I hate to say it but we may be in a better draft position in 2016 to get a top qb, if you know what I mean.

Good point. I can't believe the 25 QBs or whatever we have had since the Browns came back have all failed for lack of ability.
Our team now has the best personel except for QB that we have had.
Mariota does not do it for me. I can't put my finger on it but he seems kind of soft. Winston has all the talent but is a idiot. We already have plenty of them in Farmer, Gordon and J Football.
ESPN says the only teams people are talking about are NE, Seattle and Cleveland. You know why they are talking about us.
I don't know what we can do to fix our problem and they probably won't let us go back and draft Bridgewater or Grapalo ( the NE backuo ).

J/C ... Farmer reportedly really liked Mariota (sp) last year, and was prepared to make a move to get him before he decided to go back to school.

I doubt that he is any less interested in him this year.

Haven't Tim Tebow, Geno Smith, and Johnny Manziel taught farmer anything?!

Say no to college system QBs.