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busted again. out for a year. let the door hit you in the ass

OK...one problem solved! Goodbye Josh Gordon! Thanks for playing!

Next to go: JJO! Take your circus with you...loser! Make it happen Farmer!

Things are looking up! Now, about drafting a WR...

I'd agree and I hope it hurts so bad. He'll probably pull a Blackmon and get busted with drugs again while serving the year ban! Haha, he's a loser. No hope to get it right, no faith to get it right and nothing of that nature exist anymore. He's a JOKE in my eyes and this seals it. Was on the edge of giving up on him and now this is done.

Farmer couldn't even get a 5th round pick for the kid. The entire situation regarding Josh and himself is just entirely pathetic.

Maybe we can trade with Jax for Blackmon...

When I got the notice on NFLMobile that this happened, I knew that the knee jerk reaction by some would be to CUT him.

DUMB. If he's suspended (which appears certain)then we don't have to pay him a nickel. It doesn't hurt to have him sit out. And if I understand this correct, we own him for next season and the one after that. At some point, he'll have a little trade value Maybe. It doesn't hurt to tie him up.

He can go sell cars. Maybe he'll grow up.

GM, you are right, 10 million dollar talent, 10 cent brain.

Marvelous. Every time I read something about the Browns.........it is negative.

He's had so many chances, if he was going to ever grow up.... by now he would have.

Not cutting him TOMORROW if this is true: DUMB. All we ever hear is how dysfunctional Berea is. That a new tone needs to be set. This is CLEARLY the time to set it and send a message to the lazy, don't give a crap attitudes that we are sure to have a few of on our current roster: Get your head out of your ass, get to work or get the hell out.

Yes, it really is that simple. Quit babysitting the brats. Let someone else waste their time. I thought we were trying to build a winning football team. You can't do it with these LOSERS. Good riddance.

Right - if he is suspended, this next year doesn't count towards his contract.

But, wouldn't it be nice to actually, you know, like...........have him play for the Browns at some point????

Waste of space. Man obviously has no respect for himself or the people who supported him. We'll see him on a 30 for 30 episode in five years.
His issues are bigger than football.

Decent point.

I am not sure Gordon exemplifies what Pettine meant when he said "Play like a Brown."

He played for us last season, can't really say I want a repeat of that one.

How about you look at the cap situations of other teams?
Arizona is more than $9 million over the cap. Larry Fitzgerald's cap hit is $14.4 million this year. He's a candidate for being a cap casualty.

Dez Bryant is a free agent in Dallas and they have about $7 million in cap space. They also have Doug Free and DeMarco Murray as free agents. They'll cut Brandon Carr to free up about $13 million so that they can re-sign two of these guys.

San Francisco is more than $2.5 million over the cap. Michael Crabtree is a FA this year and they can't afford to re-sign him without clearing up a good deal of cap space.

The Browns are in a good position to sign some cap casualties if they want.

New Orleans is a whopping $23 million over the cap! Marques Colston is set to make $9.7 million. Jimmy Graham is slated to make $11 million.

This free agent wide receiver class is pretty deep. I don't see Dez Bryant or Demaryius Thomas reaching the open market, but guys like Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, Randall Cobb, and Cecil Shorts should all be available. If we get one of those guys we would be pretty solid at wide receiver (not good, solid). Re-sign Cameron and we would have some legit receiving threats.

Man that is so sad. The least significant issue is that we lost a potential high-value asset as a WR who has shown he can put up top numbers...the larger and more important issue is that a young man will now reap what he has sown and his life as an NFL player may be over. I hope he somehow overcomes these obvious large challenges he is battling and can get back the life he really desires.

Always tragic when a life is potentially ruined - as well as those around him - by something like drugs and alcohol,,,

If you don't cut him, you're the joke, not him.

Strike, what? Nine?

j/c

somehow this would have made more sense if it had been weed.... it just seems so anticlimatic that he suspended a year for alcohol. Unbelievable. I had know idea it was on his banned list. We all could have seen this coming a mile a way- wasn't it rumored he was drunk when he missed that saturday walkthru before baltimore, and with the Aspen picture, it was like an invitation for the NFL to test him. Idiot

No, i do not do the knee jerk thing and cut him. Screw that idea. We own his rights and it does not cost us a thing. He can't go to Canada, its in the rules that if suspended by nfl you can't do it, it wasn't an option last fall, and its not an option now.

He'll never play another meaningful down for the browns, but if he can somehow stay clean for a year, maybe we can trade him for a keg and a bag of chips.

Cecil Shorts might be a guy we can get. His numbers have declined in the last couple of years, he has had some injuries, and Jax has a few young WRs.

He is probably more of a possession guy who runs good routes and has the flexibility to make tough catches.

Not sure if we could get any of those other guys.

What would be knee jerk about cutting a guy on his third suspension in three years?

Gordon is still an asset (not a very good one, but an asset nonetheless). It doesn't harm anyone to keep him. He doesn't get paid and if on the off chance he gets his poop together we still have him under contract.

I get that, but on the other hand........

Mourg mentioned earlier that it would be good to keep Gordon and let the rooks learn from him. Not so sure I agree w/that.

What message are we sending to our younger players if we keep a guy that has failed that many tests over the years?

Is that "playing like a Brown?"

Do we want to send the message that as long as you have talent, it really doesn't matter what you do?

We also have to factor in the Manziel and Gilbert picks. Two complete idiots from all accounts. Will keeping Gordon help them get themselves together or further enhance their position of entitlement?

Not sure I have the answers for that, but it is worth thinking about.

JC... I met this with a shrug today.

Apathy: How Cleveland fans avoid heart attacks.

I don't think Josh has mental issues, or an addiction like some surmise. I think it just comes down to the kid being a weak minded individual and I think the people he surrounds himself with take advantage of it. Looking at who he was associating with when he got arrested here in NC for his DWI, the guy who bailed him out Haydn 'Fats' Thomas has a history of manipulating local athletes. He's been connected to issues UNC basketball star P.J. Hairston had AND had connections with Greg Little when he was here. I'm pretty sure he had some contributions to the issues Little was having down here as well.

Just seems to me that he's the kind of person who is a follower type through and through, willing to be led around to the most fun. And it's cost him dearly.

The circumstances of how/why the test came about will be interesting, but ultimately won't matter.

Good luck to the kid.

When that picture of the guys partying in Aspen came out,I figured it sent a shockwave thru Berea.I had no idea it would be so huge,as someone within the org. had to know about Gordon's restrictions.
That picture tells me something else,Gordon is either very stupid or very arrogant.Either way he's not going to change.
This is when teams that are built on integrity cut him,and to hell with assets.
I hope the browns do,it might restore a small of the faith that I've lost long ago

j/c

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...s-one-year-ban/

You could be right that he is an innocent victim who simply follows bad people and they take advantage of him, but I have a hard time believing that.

I think Gordon is a guy who has a sense of entitlement because he has gotten away w/poor behavior his entire life.

I think he values partying more than he does his teammates.

I think he is mentally weak.

I think the excuses that people have made for him over the years has added to his problems. I tried telling people that in the many Gordon threads, but most people ridiculed me for it and said I hated him.

I always thought the kid needed to face the consequences for his actions and then for people to reach out and help him. No one wanted to hear it because it meant losing out on a huge 2014--2015 season for the Browns and Gordon.

How did that turn out?

Unfortunately, I think it is too late to correct this issue now. Greed and a lack of character has led us to this point.

It is what it is.

I guess we will see if Haslam's and Pettine's comments about guys like Gordon, Manziel, and Gilbert being at a crossroads were heart-felt or just meaningless words designed to appease the masses.

Indeed. And I would ask? Learn what from him? How NOT to run routes? How to half ass it? How to show up late for meetings, sleepwalk through walk throughs and make no effort to produce on Sundays? Meathead is the last guy I would want our receivers to emulate.

Not to split hairs, but having been around people who battled addictions, weak minded is often used as a nicer way of saying 'addicted' and defects blame from the real issue... when you consistently make choices that you know you should not make - fully knowing the consequences and you make them anyway (the question is really if you don't want to make that choice but you do anyway)- you begin to think about the possibility of addiction.

Another avenue is that people will tend to blame environment, people associations, pressure etc - pretty much everything except the individual.

IF Josh has addition problems, sugar coating them will not help him deal with it. IF he has a problem, then the best way for him to get better is to face them and overcome them - not sit in denial and blame everything else.

Just my .02 cents, worth .001 cents after adjusted for inflation

When they hired Kyle Shanahan. I really liked bringing him in. I knew one thing. We would run the ball much better than in 2013. And we did.

Time to step up or shut up. Gordon has had way too many opportunities. If Haslam is serious about his stance with this team, Gordon will be GONE tomorrow. If not, his words are empty and he sends a poor message to the other goon on this team.

I think it's ridiculous that he'd be suspended for a year over having a drink... However, I agree with vers that he's mentally weak... If they tell you that you can't have a drink or you'll be suspended for a year... Don't have a friggin drink! Not that hard...

Harsh my ass. He was suspended for the entire season last year. Rightly so. But through negotiation, he was allowed to come back after 10 games. He was told many many many times how the program worked. And that being in the program meant not doings drugs and not DRINKING. It was spelled out for him that doing any drugs OR drinking would earn him a suspension. Those are the RULES once you're dumb enough to get put in the substance abouse program. So the warning of "Hey Meathead, if you drink one beer or smoke one doobie and get caught, you're suspended for AT LEAST an entire season" wasn't enough for the brain dead idiot. He thought he was above that. So he went out partying with Johnny Hype, and now he's out for a season. Harsh? This is a guy that got a DUI while waiting for his suspension hearing. He spit in the FACE of the NFL, then got off with ten games, then came back to the Browns with a REALLY bad attitude, and half assed it the rest of the season. Harsh would be what I'd give him. Two year suspension, and a condition to return after the two years. Agree to a spanking(huge paddle with holes in it) at halftime on the 50 yard line in each of the 16 games his first season back. By the strongest bodybuilder I could find..... He wants to act like a kid, I'd embarrass him like one.

What do the browns gain by cutting him??? I can't think of one thing. Just hang onto his rights and see what happens.
Been pointed out already that Blackmon is still owned by the Jags, and that guy has tested positive many times since suspension.
It just doesn't cost a thing to hang onto him, why cut him. My wife said they should just hang onto him, thru his contract, assuming he ever makes it back, and just sit him on the bench and kill his career.... a little evil, but he screwed the browns, that's one way to screw him.

From your idea to Farmers ear.... PLEASE let us sign two or three of these guys. Hell, let us do a sign and trade with Dallas for Bryant! I don't care HOW we get an upgrade in the WR room, but we damned sure NEED an upgrade. Sign one and draft one, sign two and draft one, draft three, whatever.... But Farmer better get over his aversion to the position and get us some weapons that can SCORE.

They send a BIG message to the other idiots in the locker room. Like Gilbert. Like Johnny Hype. Like West. How the hell Farmer managed to draft three head cases in the first three rounds is beyond me. That takes careful planing.

Sending a message by cutting meathead is not a bad idea. We are swimming in idiots at the moment. Culling the heard might help. It sure wouldn't hurt....

What is the addiction?

Weed isn't really an addictive substance.

He was forced into rehab due to his DUI and it was determined he didn't have an alcohol addiction.

And we if take his own story that he failed one of his tests due to a mistaken codeine prescription because he was sick (), certainly he wasn't addicted to codeine from that.

I think he just doesn't care, and he's more concerned with partying and his own personal pleasures than he does his coaches, fans, teammates, or even future. Getting kicked off two college teams, and being suspended for games in 3 consecutive NFL seasons shows that. Getting a DUI shows that. Getting a ticket for driving 38 over shows that. He is just a selfish prick who doesn't care about others. Somebody feel free to try to convince me otherwise.

I will say though that a year suspension for testing positive for alcohol (the old policy had a .06 threshold, not sure if that was changed in the new policy) is pretty brutal. Dante Stallworth got that for DUI manslaughter. I just can't feel too bad for the guy, he knew the consequences for his actions and he has gotten so many more chances than just about anybody ever will for no other reason than his unusual physical ability.

If you got busted at work multiple times and your employer gave you ONE last chance, but the rule was you couldn't drink, would you think it ridiculous if you got in trouble for drinking?
Remember, this is a man that got a DUI while waiting for his suspension hearing. Alcohol has been involved in his past problems.