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How does one kill a stone?

No, he can't play in Canada. The CFL abides by NFL suspensions. Under CFL rules, players suspended by the NFL are banned from playing in the CFL.

I think the point being made is that while the addicted personality has a breaking point, so do those that are trying to help them.

At a certain point, those that try to help no longer think that their efforts are worth it.

The person that is 'seeking help' must want to help themselves first. It seems that Josh Gordon has no desire to help himself.

Furthermore, the Browns CAN'T do anything for him if he gets banished from the league. They cannot have any contact with him at all.

Costs us nothing to keep him. He can't be in Berea, he can't infect any other players with his attitude and we still own him. At some point, you can trade him, but for the moment, he's persona non grata.

LMAO....

JM and JG this is what you need to learn:
"Now... what do I have to do to put you in this car today?"

I think the message is more important than any potential that he's an asset.

Even if the Browns don't cut him, and he's not at the facility, it's still a cloud hanging over the team.

So far the Browns are all talk when it comes to culture change.

I don't agree, I think it doesn't hurt a thing to have him sit at home or at the Car Dealer selling cars. He's a meaningless pile of Do Do.

But, he may have value at some point. It costs you nothing to hang on to see if he ever turns the corner. If he doesn't, no harm no foul. If he does, I'd like to still see him gone. But see if you can get something/anything for him. If not, fine, cut him.

You know what happens if the Browns cut Gordon? He gets exactly what he wants. He waits a year. Gets back in and gets signed by the Cowboys. Where Jerry and the 'boys know how to hide drug use a little bit better than they do in NE Ohio. He goes on to have several Pro Bowl seasons. ESPN spends a couple of weeks saying how stupid we were to release him. We're still happy with an 8-8 season.

While you may disagree with that scenario just on principle alone I don't think you'd bet against it.

No, keep JG on the roster and make the bastard sweat through this with the rest of us.

lmao, I am done with this clown.

Honestly Mac, I don't really care whats good for Gordon. I only care about the Browns and what's best for the team.

I really don't expect Gordon to play for the Browns again. And that's fine with me. But if there is a remote chance that we could get something for him at some point and it costs us nothing to let him sit in his apartment or sell cars or whatever, That is the direction I'd take.

Let this damn fool sit and contemplate what he's throwing away. Although, if a ten game suspension didn't teach him anything, I'm not sure anything will get through that thick skull..

What a dope this kid is.

He doesn't count against the roster limit or cap. Even when he does again it's a super cheap contract still. Why cut the guy and give him the easy way out of Cleveland? Why let him get his head on right and then go somewhere like Baltimore so he can tear the league up?

I say we maintain control to his contract. If he keeps screwing up then so be it he doesn't count toward the roster. If he does come back then make him work for it. Make him 6th on the depth chart and make him play special teams. If he refuses he's killing his own career not hurting us any.

PastorMarc is correct, Gordon obviously needs help. However, the Browns are not a rehab facility or in the business of perpetual rehabilitation.

At this point, it should be about the Browns and not Gordon. How would any of you feel if you worked in an environment where employees came to work when they chose, consumed drugs and alcohol while they were regularly being tested for them, whiffed on their work and showed little respect for the business being conducted or the final product being made?

Simply stated, this sends a poor message to otherwise hard working dedicated employees that this type of "could care less" attitude is tolerated. Maybe, just maybe other employees may sneak some entitlement at some point as well. When this occurs, what do you really have? A dysfunctional business putting out a less than a superior product......oh, wait, that describes the Browns for the last decade.

If there is no interest in Gordon, cut him and let HIM get the help he may need. I do know one thing, Gordon has to want help for it to ever be successful. It cannot be shoved down one's throat. We are fighting a losing battle.

Yeah, I'm done venting as well..

What a waste of talent.....

Just clicking...

Heard this yesterday and consciously chose not to log on here to pound my head on the ground.

That being said, I'm not going to read all 39 pages, but I'm guessing I'm inline with most people.

Enough is enough. Million dollar talent with a ten cent head. Bye Josh. .

There's been some debate about whether the Browns should cut Gordon or not. IMO, you can't preach "accountability", "culture change", or "playing like a Brown" if you're going to give Gordon a pass here. You have to cut ties with him if you want the other players to pay any heed to what you say at all.

It doesn't cost anything for us to keep him so keep him. Let's see if he can straighten himself out. If not , cut him. We did better without him than with him so we will just add on maybe 2 wr in the draft and fa and we should be o.k.

Cutting him IS giving him a pass. After next season, he can go where they'll have him and I guarantee, someone will have him..

Keeping him on ice is about all they can do.

Keeping him this to see if he could straighten out was what we did this year. It didn;t work.

Positive culture and accountability is important in today's NFL. If we're trying to show that we are building a strong culture and reinforcing this "Browns" mentality, Josh GOrdon CANNOT be a part of it.

Ties need to be cut. Luckily, there's some good WRs coming out this year again....fingers crossed for Amari Cooper at 12.

I don;'t think people will be lining up Daman. The guy is, what, a three time loser within TWO years?

It's like a Lawrence Phillips all over again. Great talent, low character and dependability.

j/c:

THIS JUST IN: All mock drafts slate the Browns to take two WRs in first round.

Why make it easy for him? At least keep him until his contract obligations with us are finished. Maybe it will teach him some responsibility. It's just our luck we will cut him he'll go someplace else and become an all-pro.

j/c

Someone help me out. So, if he is definitely suspended for a year - he can and will be tested by the league during that suspension, is that right?

If that is right, who here thinks he'll be able to go a year, clean? Seriously - the guy was suspended for a year just, what, 9 months ago or so? (and got that reduced to 10 games).


So, if all of that is correct......what happens, league wise, if he's cut right now? Does he still have to test when he's not even in the nfl? If so, who thinks he'll be clean for a year? If he doesn't get tested, since he's not in the league - who thinks he's going to change his ways?

His value, today, as a player, is extremely minimal. Obviously, we can't trade him. More than likely he's going to basically be on his own for a year, right? Another positive test, and he's done? Gone from the nfl forever? Is that right?

What does keeping him accomplish? At this point, we want nothing to do with him...so why still call him a Brown? He's a black mark on the organization right now....time to erase him.

Josh can't go a year with a support unit around him without getting into trouble, there's no way he'll go a year without the support system and etc.

People making the same comments though. "See if he can get his stuff straight", we've been seeing if he could since college. He's been given all the opportunities, and this is the news he makes headlines for.

From what I remember Lawrence Phillips beat up women and assaulted people. I don’t see how you can compare the two.

I bet Heckert went out boozing with Gordon several times before the supplemental draft and that's when he fell in love with him. Probably hooked him up with some weed too.

How does keeping Gordon with his ban hurt the team? There is no contact. The smart thing to do would be to go through the motions of moving on without him next season and plan like he isn't a Brown. If he return's with his head out of his arse then we get a talented guy that isn't a RFA until 2017. At this point Gordon isn't hurting anybody but himself. Like other's have said, releasing Gordon would be more beneficial to him than the Browns. He'll just sign a decent contract somewhere else. JG will be back on the field at some point and the kid is just too talented to not make plays.

From what I remember about Brandon Browner's case, you can't be tested while you're not in the NFL. But I could be easily misremembering it.

Just curious,what will the team have pay him to keep him ,if you know

Nothing.