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An inability to be on the field is an inability to be on the field. The reason why doesn't matter.

In the end, Josh may have to do some time in the CFL once his ban/suspension is up, if the Browns opt to part ways with him.

Thxs, then im all for keeping him to screw him like he did with the team and us

Are those Canadian dollars and dimes or American?

I think that they changed that in the new drug policy, and the Browns were allowed to give him counselling and also he could work out at the Browns facilities during his suspension. Maybe it is different for a 1 year suspension, but I don't think it is.

just a play on words.....key word being stone(r)

If handed down, this wouldn't be a suspension but a banishment. In an official capacity, he wouldn't be a part of the league. He cannot do anything in any official capacity in any respect to the NFL.

End result is the same, yes. But comparing him to a woman beater seems a bit ridiculous…to me.

I see a lot of name calling about the guy just cause he likes to go out and have fun. Things we all did when we were young.

I get we’re all mad cause he’s an elite talent and played for the Browns and they’ve sucked forever, but let it go.

And his big dollar contract will be gone. Who is going to pay, and/or guarantee a big deal for him?

The Browns will probably go after a part of his signing bonus, since he screwed up off the football field so frequently. In fact, it would not surprise me one bit if he has such a clause in his contract.

Further, while Gordon had a $954K deal in place for this year, by being suspended for all but 5 games, he earned only (yeah, I know, "only") $298K. Now he had a guarantee of $360K or so for this year, so I don't know how that works with the suspensions taken into account.

If the Browns go after his pro-rated bonus because of his suspensions, he could wind up broke in a hurry.

Anyway, just to reiterate, what team is going to invest very much at all in him? He'll be lucky to get a little bit over a veteran minimum one year show me deal, when ...... or IF he is allowed to return to the NFL, which is no guarantee at this point. He will have to apply to the commissioner for reinstatement to the league when his suspension ends. Look at Blackmon down in Jacksonville. He has spent all but 4 games of the past 2 seasons on the suspended list. Maybe he'll return one day, but maybe not. Maybe he'll be the same player after almost 2 seasons out of the NFL, and maybe not. Same thing for Gordon. Teams cannot count on him as their #1 receiver. How can they? They really have to figure that he is about the same level as an UDFA, and maybe they get something out of him, but maybe not.

If the Browns go after part of his signing bonus, which seems like it would be within their rights, then he could be broke in a hurry. I have no idea how responsible Gordon is with his money, but given his general irresponsibility, I find it hard to believe that he has funded an IRA, and has investment accounts abounding. He very well could be broke, or close to it. What NFL players are going to want to hang out with him, knowing his history? He could well wind up being just another could have been ..... with immense talent, and no ability to say "No" to the things that have derailed his career. He has said, after every suspension and problem, that he has learned from his mistakes. Has he? Would you bet millions of dollars on him?

If Gordon does get reinstated next season for the 2016 season, someone will pay him good money. He's unusually talented, and has already lead the league in receiving yards despite missing two games. You're right that he wouldn't see much in the way of guarantees but he would surely get much, much more than the veteran minimum in a 'show me' deal.

Also given his way of life that has been reported in various articles... the porsche, tats, drugs, escorts, legal predicaments etc., I bet the guy is already broke and probably owes some people money. Just a guess though.

Good catch. You are right.

Knew this would happen. Not surprised at all. He's done here.

And now Josh will probably turn into a "Chris Carter" in a few years for some other NFL team.

j/c.....


Here's my take: the kid is an idiot. (and for whomever it was that complained about calling people 'of age' "kid", I challenge you to prove that he isn't a child with his behavior).


That said, in no way whatsoever do I cut him. Here's why:

• He's an RFA, still playing on his rookie contract, so he's dirt cheap.
• If he's suspended/banned, he still won't accrue a year in the league during the 2015 season, so come 2016 he will still be our RFA after that (a year of no money and no football)... at which time, perhaps his cranial-rectalisys has begun to correct itself.
• If he's suspended/banned, he costs us NOTHING. We don't pay him, and he doesn't take up a roster spot.
• If we do cut him, we are not potentially rewarding him by letting him walk to any other team (imagine if we rashly cut him right now, and then he isn't banned and he immediately signs with Dallas... we'd just have let a stud RFA walk with no compensation because we acted on emotion instead of business sense) for absolutely no compensation at all. A guy who, at a minimum, will command a 2nd round pick.
• The entire thing is still hearsay... can you imagine if perhaps the likes of Jerry Jones (or one of his people) floated this rumor out there to stir the pot?
• If he isn't suspended/banned, then it'll be because he hasn't done anything wrong. At which point, he deserves any/all support he would have gotten anyway - especially the chance to prove himself.
• It's win-win-win all around for us to hold onto him. There is absolutely zero benefit - at all - from cutting/releasing him. None.

Trade him to the Patriots for a few of their limp footballs.

Combined with a DWI bust.

He's quickly becoming Donte Stallworth Part 2.

I get it and I may be totally off base - and I don't believe anyone but Josh will one way or another determine if 'weak minded' or addiction or something else is the main cause of the choices he makes.

I use the possibility of addiction mainly due the fact of the risk vs reward...he had not one thing to gain - everything to lose - and still made the conscience decision to use...

Maybe I'm naive but it seems like weak-minded and being a follower does not seem to fit what one would consider NFL talent?

At the end of the day, I just hate seeing a life being ruined with so much potential - at any level. I must be getting soft in my old age...

Its obvious there are allot of opinions if Browns should keep or cut ties.
Understandably it makes sense to keep JG based on salary vs. talent
But at some point it is just not worth the headache or detrimental message to the team. I am of the opinion we are at that point.
There is no additional benefit for waiting with no guarantee till April 2016

He made his bed several times over. Its time to let go.
Good luck Josh, hope you get past the denial stage. The infractions are not terrible but your actions not stopping speaks volumes.
we have been talking about this guy for 3 years & look were we are.

It's time to let go.
JMHO

We owe him nothing and he takes up no spots. Don't cut him, that gives him an easy way out. I hope we trash his career and keep him until his contract expires.

As to the Rehab post - He can say what he wants to say for sure and who knows what the truth is? I don't so my posts are pure speculation based upon what I have seen others go through. A lot of his behaviors mirrors what I have seen, including his responses. Lord, i hope he is not addicted - wouldn't want that on anyone.

actually, I am trying to look at it from just a human perspective...a young man has issues, that much is certain. Whether addiction, 'weak minded', selfish,etc. you have a person who is imploding his life and his future, and again, that I would not wish on anyone.

First of all, JG has given a lot of evidence he will never stay clean long enough for anyone "to have him".

But to me the most important factor is in the message it sends to your players if you don't cut him.

I really do understand those who say keep his rights and don't cut him. But to me, that's looking at a single player over the team concept.

They've talked a good game so far about people having to be accountable and playing like a Brown. They wouldn't even commit to JG being here next season before this happened.

I believe if they don't cut him it will send a very negative message to the rest of the team. If they don't send the message that they're not going to tolerate such actions to be associated with the Browns, I believe it hurts the integrity of the team and its leadership.

To me that's a much bigger issue than simply a JG issue.

People kind of lose sight of the bigger picture here.

As has already been said, alcohol being legal is 100% irrelevant. His employer has told him on numerous occassions what he can and can't do if he wants to keep playing football. If he is unable to do what they ask of him he is free to quit and go drink and party all he wants. However, if he wants to play football in the NFL he needs to do what they tell him to do.

It's not a constitutional right to play football guys.

That he doesn't appear to have done anything to help himself tells you all you need to know about his current level of commitment to himself and his team.

From the outside looking in, he appears to have a SERIOUS substance abuse problem and needs to get some help. I hope that he manages to get that help so that he can get his life together and move forward.

Utnil then, the biggest question for fans is what are the Browns going to do?

For the third time in three years he has put the team into a chaotic situation in which they have to figure out what they are going to do until he either comes back or is replaced. This is totally unacceptable. It doesn't matter how talented he MIGHT be, If he can't EVER field his position he is completley useless to the organization.

IMO, it would be in the long term interest of the Browns and Josh Gordon if they released him. Maybe that would be the kick in the a$$ that he needs to get help.

You think people are upset because he 'likes to go out and have fun'?

Eo, if we keep him through the expulsion, does he count as a roster spot against us?

Eventually it is time to flush.

No.

Absolutely. Gordon can be replaced however the message is (nearly) irreversable.

I believe the message it send to the players is this:

If you don't obey the rules then you don't get that big fat weekly paycheck that is more than most people earn in a year for playing a game!

It also says that the Browns know what real value a player has and that the opinion of fans plays no role in their decisions.

Agreed.
It also says that not only won't you get paid, but you won't be set free so that you can chase a contract elsewhere. You're going to be held to your contract, or retire.

Consider that he was not a great college player. He caught a grand total of 43 passes in 22 college games at Baylor.

Yet, the Browns made him a second-round pick in the 2012 Supplemental Draft

His contract? It was $5.3 million over four years -- $3.7 million guaranteed.

He sat out the 2011 season because he was kicked out of Baylor and then transferred to Utah. He failed drug tests at both schools.

So Gordon didn't play in a single game in 2011, yet he was a second-round pick in 2012 and handed a $2.3 million signing bonus.

wish i was that unlucky!!!

He didn't end up there, he put himself there by hanging with "JM n Friends". This is an area of no sympathy from me, I had to separate myself from the party crowd in my mid-20's to avoid trouble.

When were those two years?

9th & 10th Grade?

Perhaps from the time he was born to two years of age, lol.

A few comments:

--Some thoughtful posts on here. Some idiotic ones.

--I despise this "he had one glass of wine" or "one beer" theory. What makes you think that? Did any of you see that picture. The guy was wasted that night. They all were.

--I don't know this for sure, but I doubt you get suspended for one glass of wine or one beer. There is probably a limit of what your blood alcohol level registers.

--Here is a comment by our leader, the trustworthy Jimmy Haslam:



So Jimmy, it's time to ante up. Was that a bunch of hot air to make you and the team sound good, or do you really mean it? I'll be watching closely to how your answer this one.

--People say we should keep him, but what message does that send to the younger players? I want an answer to that one.

--Do any of you proposing we keep him really think he will ever stay clean?

--It annoys me that people are blaming Manziel for this. I don't care for JM, but Josh makes his own decisions.

--Hey tab..........hanging out w/Manziel sure showed maturity. Relax man......it's a joke.

--Pastor said we should try to get him help. Nice. That sounds nice. Now, a question..........what about all the times we have tried to help this ingrate in the past? Are you saying we never tried to help him? We help him and he craps in our face.

--I do understand why so many of you don't want to let him go and play for another team. I really do.

--I don't understand those of you who want to keep him because of his what his talent can mean to us in the future.

--I'll say this one more time.........Josh Gordon is a punk!

I really think the problem with Josh is us; We as fans are too hard on him. We are putting too much pressure on him. That and playing here in Cleveland, a rabid football town, is stressing the poor guy out. We should be more understanding of Josh and a little less critical and you'll see he'll be fine.

Yes, we should be a "kinder, gentler Brown's nation."

Maybe we should get him a mood ring so we know how he feels.

ok now your just trying to give Vers an aneurism... no purple font and all

Is there such a thing as an altimeter ring? to see how high he is?