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He needs to go if this is true. He has done some good but if he wants to be a coach he should have gone into coaching instead of becoming a scout. I believe in separation of church and state and FO telling the coach who to play and what plays to run should be fired. Coaching and management has to have a close relationship not this.

It is very disappointing.

Us Browns fans had this coming...

We've had it too easy for TOO LONG!

Having him suspended for games isn't a big deal, hopefully we don't lose a pick in the top four rounds...

With that being said, this organization is an embarrassment.

What bothers me is people expect our players to learn the playbook but somehow it doesn't seem nearly as concerning that our GM doesn't know the rule book.

Actually, there is one person who doesn't feel this way -- me.

Teddy Teeny Tiny Hands is not a playoff caliber NFL quarterback in my opinion. IMO he never will be.

Picking him would have been the worst case scenario. Five years before we could have done anything about our mistake. Five years at least.

Not picking teeny tiny I don't want to go to Cleveland hands is the best thing Farmer's done so far.

One thing is for sure, it's going to suck big time for whenever Ray next speaks to the media. Instances like this is where I hope Mary Kay asks a lot of questions in her classic fashion which would irritate a man above and beyond haha.

This is really a sad situation though. This offseason is ugly as a mofo and it's barely just begun. Gordon axed for a year, JF entering rehab and then this?

Do I dare ask what is next?

I don't see Haslam forgivable at this point. He's stated how it's top priority to get a QB this year and then this. Now free agency is looming and Farmer is responsible. No FA QB is going to even consider the Brown's disfunction junction. And on top of that we may loose a draft pick. That's unforgivable. Won't be suprised if Farmer is shown the door. Won't really care either. 2015 is looking bleak.

Maybe he texted: "Why the devil are we using a QB who worked from the spread and making him run the read option????"

In terms of FA QB's, outside of Hoyer - there isn't much to write home about and even with Hoyer, it isn't that much to write. Mark Sanchez? But yes, I'd agree it likely has/could potentially steer other free agents in various positions from wanting to come here.

Thankfully we got Karlos and Whitner last offseason, heh...

hmmm. looks like vers was right the whole time about this front office?

Fire him. I'm sick of idiots

You know people don't want to hear that!

If the Browns lose a draft pick, any draft pick, Ray Farmer should be fired.

He knows the rules and if he violated them then he should pay the price with his job.

There can't be tolerance for this when the team has been in such turmoil because of front office dysfunction. Haslam can't let it slide if the team loses a draft pick.

This has the same stink as the flying J...............

If I were a betting man I would bet Farmer is JH's next fall guy..............

Its our luck that we get rid of a loser owner and replace him with another..............

JMHO

Lose a draft pick or picks? LOL Big freakin deal! This team has never been able to draft anyway so what difference does it make? They could take them all and this team would not be any worse off.

Cheating is cheating. Unexeptable to cheat. Farmer cheated.

LOL Sure bet. Easy money.

Can't believe this off season already...after 7-9 season and some hope for this year...now all this garbage...What a mess...sickening

Next GM up.

I say we start a speculation thread in Tailgate.

Dibs on Armonty Bryant arrest and Joe Thomas retires.

Well.... DQ punched out a pizza guy. Does that start the ball rolling?

read that JT said he might retire after next year. add that to mack might leave after next year. ugh...

I would have a hard time believing a healthy guy would walk away from $24something on his contract.

But you never know the motivations of a man.

I've as critical of guys on this team (Manziel and Gordon) as anyone but this just doesn't get me riled up. He used the electronic communication device. I can't even fathom why that's a rule when he could have used half a dozen other ways to communicate with the sidelines.

There are any number of reasons why the rule is in place.

One, off the top of my head, is that people upstairs or in a suite have access to radio and TV where they can view criticism of their performance, a highlight of what their opponent is doing, or any number of things that can give an unfair advantage.

If Collinsworth is on TV pointing out that Team X is gashing us by doing Y, what's to stop someone upstairs listening or watching from suddenly realizing that and texting 'Hey, guys, they're doing this'?

Because the rules say you CAN'T do it. Farmer had to know the rules but did it anyway. What's the difference between him and Josh Gordon? Also Farmer might just be taking the heat for Haslem.

I got a feeling Haslam is behind this. I liked Haslam at first, but time is wearing on me. I think the guy has his hands in too deep.

I see this and think this team will never change. Toay I was actually thinking if there was a team I could change to. Sadly, I love this team and will probably continue to be haertbroken by them until I die.

Hate to lose a pick but the rest I could care less about. Pretty sure he won't do it again.

A rule is a rule, but if your coach is getting useful realtime advice forwarded from Chris Collinsworth, a text probably isn't going to give you a realistic chance to win.

I almost changed the name because I knew Collinsworth cracks were coming, but in all seriousness, I stand by what I said.

I don't care how competent or capable a man is or isn't, others on the outside (regardless of qualification) can often see errors, patterns or trends they're making before they realize it themselves

The ability to have access to a knowledgeable or even keen in the moment spectator or commentator could certainly constitute an unfair advantage.

I don't need to hear I was right, but thanks guys for saying so.

What bothers me is that there are several posters on here who rip me time after time after time, whether it be Big Baby, Leon, Big Baby, TRich, The Big Show, Weeden, Shurmur, Gordon, etc........

I just wish y'all would stop it. You don't have to admit you were wrong or that I was right.

Just freaking stop the constant insults when I try to analyze a situation. Not asking you to ever agree w/me, but please quit acting like I making stuff up or that I am just a hater or that I have no clue what I am talking about.

It's not about being right or wrong, but I think perhaps that I have at least earned some respect instead of several posters belittling every-freaking-thing I say.

Maybe his text was just asking if the coaches wanted sausage or pepperoni on their postgame pizza?

To the issue at hand:

We can question the rule, but it is a rule. I personally don't see why the hell I have to drive at 55 MPH on some roads. They are not curvy or hilly. There isn't that much traffic. I think the speed limit should be 70. However, I know it is the law and I try to maintain the legal speed limit and if I don't..........I understand that I broke the law and will get punished.

I don't have to agree w/it.......I just have to deal w/it.

I hope people will stop ripping on Shanny now. He wasn't a rat. He wasn't a "me" person. He was a professional who was asked to deal w/unprofessional circumstances. He had enough balls to say "this is wrong." He stood up for what he believed in. He had principals.

He wasn't a quitter. He was a man who didn't allow others to crap all over him.

Now...........moving forward....what do we do? Man, I hate changing things again, but what have we seen from Farmer that is positive? He blew the first round. His comments about QBs are ignorant, at best. He is arrogant. He is stubborn. He is meddlesome. He was the King of one of the better draft classes in history and he blew it. He is embarrassing our franchise w/his breaking of the rules.

Let me ask you guys one question...............how different would this thread have been if it would have been Banner who had texted the OC?

Think about that for a bit before you respond.

Greco busted for prostitution

Speculation thread, could get interesting hahaha

so your hoping they suspend Farmer for the draft?

Kills two birds .. eh

That is not my take on it at all. He was the rat. This would have been all in house stuff if he didn't leak it to the media..... correct me if I'm wrong- But the news of the texting came when Shanny wanted out of his contract. News broke of Shanny looking around, he leaked this texting (I'm not saying it was right for Farmer to do), and he forced his way out. I can't help but wonder if he could have handled this differently, kept the texting in house, and quietly slipped away - but that is not the Shannahan's style. No, he is the rat. If he would have kept his mouth shut about it, this would not be public knowledge.