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Did Parcell's interview of Bridgewater have an impact on the Brown's thinking? I don't know, just saying...

Farmer gets a pass on JJO because Haslam needed him for PR work. Sell tickets, jerseys, buzz, etc. His plan worked. Unfortunately, JJO is nothing more than a party boy (with an apparent problem now that he is in rehab) with a clipboard.

Hopefully, Farmer doesn't panic and waste a 1st on a QB. Hoyer, Shaw and an undetermined veteran FA should be enough. As for JJO, well, that negative circus needs to be shut down and shipped out of town. Enough.

Does he get a pass on Gilbert, too?

Pffttt...........

I think the previous regime was told to study Manziel by Haslam.

I think Lombardi spearheaded that task.

I think Lombardi and Banner were against taking Manziel, mostly because of his personal issues, which strangely, were in New England's scouting report.......a team that Lombardi got hired by after he was hired.

I think one of the reasons Banner and Lombardi were fired was because Haslam did not like their evaluation of Manziel.

I think Famer and Haslam disagreed w/the scouting department and the coaching staff in regards to Bridgewater vs. Manziel.

I think that Shanny had a real disconnect w/the FO when they drafted Manziel.

I think Pettine understands how hard it is to get a HC job and is trying to patch the mess created by Farmer and Pettine together. God bless him! And give him the strength!

Wasn't that Patriot scouting report deemed a fake at the time of its release?

(The answer is yes.)

I think Haslam went rogue on the Manziel pick.

LOL.............so how many of my "I think" comments are bogus?

I have no clue. We will never know what happened with Haslam/Banner/Lombardi.

Okay..........

I like to read. Heck, I am a teacher and even though I am teaching Math and Science right now........I preach the art of critical reading.

I also have a separate degree in English. Points of study were Creative Writing and Literary Fiction. I like to read w/a critical eye.

I don't think the points I made are too far away from reality.

We don't know what reality is, so it is hard to say how far away they are. I have a hard time believing Haslam fired Banner and Lombardi over Manziel.

That isn't what I said. I am pretty sure that I said that was one of the reasons.........

If I did not say that, I apologize. I don't think it was the only reason, as "The Three Stooges" thing was huge. I simply think it was one of the reasons.

Biggest reason they were fired is because they embarrassed Haslam during the interview of Ken Whisenhunt. The leaking that chud would be fired during the final game was bad but the Whisenhunt situation appeared to be the final straw.

BR: "Browns Considering Trade Up for QB, Mariota Top Choice"
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http://bleacherreport.com/cleveland-browns
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If the Browns land Mariota I will have to find a way to go to every game.

I will pull out all my Browns gear and wear it every day.

I will walk around with my Cleveland Browns helmet signed by Jim Brown on my head at WalMart.

I will watch every pre-season game and be glued to the tube. On opening day of the season I will need medication.

If Johnny College Football is good enough to beat him out then I will cheer for him.

All I want is a legit player at quarterback. I hope Manziel gets his life in order and is good enough to play in the NFL. It can only help.

But I really believe in Mariota. He will need time. As is the case for almost every quarterback coming into the NFL.

However, once he gets settled in the sky is limit.

Will it happen in the first year probably not but there will be indicators.

As each start goes by he will improve.

If he fails then I am wrong. But it will be worth the thrill to have some hope.

I'm sure they are considering a trade up.

I'm sure they're also considering a trade down.

I'm also sure they're considering staying put at 12 and 19.

I'm pretty sure they're considering a host of options.

Isn't Jason Cole the guy who had the error filled report on Brian Hoyer several months ago? Something tells me he is making crap up.

I like Mariota. I think, given the perfect situation, he can become a very good quarterback. I don't think we can provide that situation. I also think he is too big of a risk to give up multiple first round picks to obtain.

If we somehow got Mariota, I would hope that John DeFillipo would immediately fly to the University of Oregon and talk to Mark Helfrich about things we have to incorporate in our offense.

Mariota can start his first year, but only if he is running the exact offense he ran at Oregon. If he is forced into a pro style offense and starts right away he will fail. He needs to sit one year at least. We have no one our roster that should start over him.

How did I miss this gem?

Perhaps because you don't read critically and are just hatefully critical?

If we TRADE UP for Mariotta, I might just quit following this team. I am already disgusted w/their incompetence and poor decisions. Trading up for a guy who can't read coverages would simply verify how freaking ignorant Farmer and Haslam really are.

Put mariotta in last years class and he would be the 6th or 7th QB in my opinion.

I think he would have been the first QB taken last year. He was clearly better than Bortles, Manziel, Carr, and Garroppolo. Bridgewater, with hindsight, should probably have been rated higher, but Mariota probably would have went before him.

Logan Thomas was the 6th QB taken in last year's draft followed by Tom Savage.

You are underrating Mariota.

I'm still glad the Texans got stuck with Savage. So dumb to not only take Clowney number one, but to let Minnesota trade ahead of them for a stinking 4th round pick and take Bridgewater. Are you kidding me. obviously they couldn't take Carr, lol. they deserved to get stuck with that old Nicolas cage stunt double.

It blows my mind that both Savage and Logan Thomas were taken where they were. Both had horrible college tape, but killed the workouts. I guess they were pure upside picks.

Thomas couldn't start over Ryan freaking Lindley. And Savage looked as lost as a QB can look in his limited playing time.

The Cardinals and Texans might have liked to have Aaron Murray, A.J. McCarron, or Zach Mettenberger over those guys when they were making a playoff push.

I had Carr, manziel, Garoppolo, Bridgewater, Metlenberger and Bortles as my top 6 in that order as Bridgewater slid due to proday and Metlenberger due to physical but I have a higher grade on all of those than I do on Mariotta. I think he is similar to Bortles but i thought Bortles had more upside.

The big issue i have with marriota is accuracy. I think he can be a great QB but he becomes really stiff as a thrower and that is troubling to me. I liked Cam even though he had accuracy issues because he just looked natural throwing the ball and accuracy will almost always improve for a natural thrower but guys that look stiff have more trouble. I would let him sit for a year maybe 2 and just let him focus on being a passer.

I agree that Mariota is not a finished product and I understand why you have him ranked that way. He would have been the first QB taken last year on upside alone.

(Side note: It turns out that Mettenberger had major character issues on top of his injury which is why he plummeted in the draft.)

If we traded up, it better be for Winston, and only after we signed 2 WRs and a pass rusher in FA...

I honestly think Winston could come in and win right away, but I predict we may shy away from him due to having just already dealt with an immature QB.

Trading up for Mariotta would be a disaster IMO.

After the fiasco with Manziel and Gordon, I would almost bet good money that we don't touch a guy like Winston, who himself also comes with significant risks, based on his behavior in college. (and I am a guy who said, in Winston's 1st season, that he was a future 1st draft pick)

If the Browns had not had such a mess with Manziel and Gordon, then maybe they try to trade up, at high expense, and take Winston ..... but I just don't see it happening with those 2 shadows hanging over the franchise.

If we are going to trade up would just trade up to #2 and take whoever the Bucs don't take.

Mariota and Winston...pass. Stick to YOUR board...take BPA...hopefully we land a WR, pass rusher and C/OT. That would be a solid draft addressing some critical needs.

Elite QB? Not in this draft.

We aren't the blind squirrel. We are the squirrel that is flat in the middle of the road.

No, it's just that I have a hard time buying the notion that a guy who isn't very well spoken and struggles to defend basic thesis arguments is a critical thinker with multiple degrees.

Critical thinkers don't let their emotions launch them into seething anger, nor do they tend to make baseless, heat-of-the-moment statements they have to run away and hide from because there's no defense of them.

"And boom goes the dynamite."

'We've got to get a new owner' in 2015

Sorry Jimmy, your CEO screwed the pooch and lost what little chance you had at getting that FA QB. And wait until you loose a draft pick. Might as well draft just OL to protect the 3 QBs we'll eventually field in 2015.

No offense, but Mariotta can't read coverages. He isn't even close to a couple of those qbs. He's more similar to Manziel than anyone.

Right. But based on upside alone Mariota would have been the first pick taken.

He was spoken of as being the top pick last year until he decided to go back to school.

Hell, at this time last year both Bridgewater and Manziel were talked about as the first pick. Never know. Mariota may end up available when we pick at 19. (not advocating we draft him)

How much of that was Farmer and how much was Haslam meddling? At this point I'm fed up from the top down. Haslam needs to hire decent people, which I think he has done, then he needs to get the hell out of the way, which he apparently has not done.

When he bought the Browns it was a big deal that Haslam was visiting with Kraft and others about what it takes to build a successful organization.... is this what they told him to do? Exercise veto power over good trade opportunities, go with your uneducated gut on draft picks?