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Romeo has to win NOW there is no tommorow for Mr. Crennel. He will start whichever QB he feels gives him the best chance to win.






Your premise for this statement is that RAC HAS to win this year.. I ain't buying that he is that disperate.. As for the the second part of your comment,,,

OF COURSE,,, why would he play anyone but the person that gives him the best chance to win....Geez! It's not new Mour


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Quinn is/will be the face of the Browns. I just hope we don't have to see his obnoxious sister all the time.




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Romeo has to win NOW there is no tommorow for Mr. Crennel.




Nah... Barring a complete 2006-like collapse this season, Romeo will be here at least through the 2008 season. The media makes much of this "hot seat" talk without really listening to what Lerner, Savage and Romeo have been talking about all along: this is a process that will take time to work through. It's a 5-year plan and, so far, I haven't seen or heard anything of substance to suggest Lerner and Savage are going to change course before they have a core group of players in place that they believe is capable of consistently contending. With this last draft, we're gaining on it. I believe, 2007 will be the year to get the latest additions to the core established and that 2008 will be Romeo's final exam.


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He will start whichever QB he feels gives him the best chance to win.




Isn't this simply common sense (regardless of whether or not Romeo is on the "hot seat")?? I'm thinking Frye will start 2007, but I would not be shocked at all if Quinn ended up actually winning the job in camp.


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I am beginning to question Savage's talent decisions. I have given him a pass on a lot of things.

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2005 - draft a 3rd round QB to eventually lead the franchise
2007 - give up 2008 #1 pick & 2007 #2 pick to draft a QB

2)
2005 Trade for a RB. Reuben Droughns produces a 1,200 yard season.
2006 Give RD a 4-year contract.
2006 Trade RD away for next to nothing.

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2006 Sign (LT) Kevin Shaffer to a 7-year 36 million dollar contract.
2007 Draft at #3 a LT.

From where I sit, the drafting of Quinn and Wright are acts of desperation. He is hoping throwing another rookie into the fire buys him another two years. For all of his talk when first hired about bringing in character guys... the pick of Wright is striking.






I think sticking with questionable players and not trying for improvement would be a far worse decision. People don't make the right decision all the time. The Shaffer pick up was recognized by most, including Savage, as an experiment.


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And to add to Chargers point about Shaffer, did you look at the contracts some very mediocre players got. I mean Derrick Dockery, Leonard Davis..etc all went 49+ mill.

In all honesty the Shaffer move really isn't that bad when you consider some similar talent-wise players got 40+ mill.


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Let's face it: Brady Quinn is just a rookie
http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/columnists/terry_pluto/17194388.htm

By Terry Pluto
After two days of watching Brady Quinn throw passes into the wind, with the wind, on target and way off target, here's what we know: He's a rookie quarterback.

Here's what else we know: The NFL is an unforgiving place for rookie quarterbacks.

Here's the good news: The Notre Dame star impressed the Browns by showing that some of the hype from Irish coach Charlie Weis is right. The kid is well-prepared for the pros.

``He's mentally sharp, he picks up things easily, the coaches enjoy him,'' Browns General Manager Phil Savage said. ``You can train him. He's a good student. He's in a unique situation, because he started for four years at Notre Dame and played the last two for a pro coach. That really helps.''

It doesn't make Quinn the opening-day starter.

Romeo Crennel said what most coaches do: The edge goes to Charlie Frye, the veteran with 18 starts. Derek Anderson is somewhere in the mix, having started three games in two NFL seasons. Then, there's Quinn.

How about bringing in a veteran quarterback?

``Right now, I don't see that happening,'' Savage said. ``I think it's time to move forward with the guys we have at quarterback.''

Savage mentioned that new offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski has an appreciation of Ken Dorsey, ``who was 35-1 for Chud when they were together at (the University of) Miami.'' Dorsey (10 career pro starts) is not going to start, but Savage said he does bring a veteran's knowledge and approach to the team.

Savage is far from endorsing Quinn as an opening-day starter, but he also won't rule it out.

``By the end of minicamp and heading into veterans camp, we at least want to be down to our top two,'' Savage said. ``If one emerges by veterans camp, then we'll go with him.''

As for Quinn?

``It's tough to start from Day One because of the speed of the game and everything else involved,'' Savage said. ``He doesn't move quite as well as Charlie (Frye), but he can move around in the pocket. He is fluid and polished. You can't expect him to start (Day One), but his background does give him a chance.''

Some history is in order. The following quarterbacks did not start a game as a rookie: Chad Pennington, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Daunte Culpepper, Brett Favre and Tom Brady.

Super Bowl quarterback Steve McNair started six games in his first two years. Donovan McNabb had six starts as a rookie; Michael Vick had two.

Among active quarterbacks, I found only two who started all 16 games as a rookie: Peyton Manning and David Carr. Truly mixed result.

Other recent rookies receiving significant starts: Tim Couch (14), Kerry Collins (13), Ben Roethlisberger (13), Vince Young (13), Joey Harrington (12), Matt Leinart (11) and Kyle Boller (nine).

Rushing rookies into action rarely seems to work. Is it because they usually are high-profile players on bad teams, as was the case with Couch, Harrington and Carr? That often means any quarterback would struggle playing behind a poor line, and often playing from behind because of a shaky defense.

It's the worst circumstances for a young quarterback.

Or are the guys just not good enough?

Roethlisberger started 13 times as a rookie for a Pittsburgh Steelers team that went 15-1. How would he have fared with the 2004 Browns instead of the 2004 Steelers?

You don't know.

In most cases, teams playing a rookie quarterback lose, and the quarterback is beaten up physically and mentally. His confidence is shaken, doubts rise among the fans and the organization.

A year ago, the Browns gave the job to Frye with the motto of ``preserving, protecting and promoting'' the kid from the University of Akron. That was not exactly a successful mission.

So what should the Browns do?

At least start the season with Frye and give Quinn time to watch and learn. That never hurts a rookie quarterback.

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So what the Browns do?

At least start the season with Frye and give Quinn time to watch and learn. That never hurts a rookie quarterback.




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This begs the question.. If BQ lights it up in camp and is clearly a better QB than CF.. do you sit BQ so he can "watch and learn" from an inferior QB?


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Crennel seems like somebody who props em up in a position regardless of performance as well. I hope ROMEO has a better year this year; he should play more ball and have less committee gameplanning. I say week 9.
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Lose with a rookie? I think if Frye can't show a better sense of O and receivers, a better sense of offense, then BQ should start unless it is close. Last year I felt Frye was neglected badly by coaches (or allowed bad habits to develop and persist) who let stuff go week after week. Seems like game films were a revelation; the basic stuff, pat the ball, play on your toes, throw it away. sprint the whole drop, get rid of it, drop on time/throw it on time, etc just got bad, then festered week after week. Seemed he was worse at end of season than he was during pre and early campaign. Do little things right; big things follow them around. Quinn needs to produce something. If Weis is wrong, we be hurtin

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Haven't been on in a bit but..... I hope he doesn't start till next year.

I'm seeing people talk about him starting sometime early? I hope not and I have to say that anyone posing that.... well I hate you at the moment.

Look at whats happened to rookie QB's that start TOO EARLY!! It's disgusting. Tim Couch anyone? Yes? Maybe? THINK!

David Carr, Joey Harrington, TIMOTHY COUCH!! TOO EARLY!! I hate to use caps, but I'm just displaying how important it is to allow a QB to develop.

Let him watch what Charlie does poorly or well and then let him start next year if he earns it. Maybe if the O-Line really starts to gel at some point and Brady is looking REAL good, but even then, it had better be a DIRE situation to put Brady in.

I just really worry about throwing Brady to the wolves too early. I know we have a better O-Line, I know he played in a Pro Style offense, started 4 years, and played under Charlie Weis, but I want him to also sit a year and learn.

JMHO, but I think it makes sense. You want to argue fine, I post every couple of months so I'll finish this argument in September, haha.


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