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When Braxton Miller got injured, many thought that was the Buckeyes year. J.T. Barrett stepped up and people forgot who Braxton Miller was. Then when J.T. Barrett got injured, people were saying (on this very message board) that their season was over. I might have been one of the few (maybe the only one) that wasn't concerned. I even wrote about it. Cardale Jones made people forget about J.T. Barrett. This might be the most telling thing of all. No matter who the QB was, Ohio State was good.
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I appreciate you trying to get back on topic, but none of this has anything to do with what you originally said.
You basically are saying Manziel should take all the blame for not winning a National Championship. Even though he was historically good and his defense was atrocious. That's what you're taking from it but it isn't what I said. What I'm saying is that I would rather have Cardale Jones over Johnny Manziel. In three games, Cardale Jones showed me more than Manziel ever has. Furthermore, (though you have since backpedaled) you gave Cardale Jones all the credit for Ohio State winning the National Championship. No I didn't. What I indicated was that Jones faced three quality defenses and led the Buckeyes to wins culminating in a National Championship. You're reading WAY more into what I wrote than what I actually did. That is a bigger accomplishment than anything Johnny Manziel did in college, including his Heisman trophy (which has about the same worth as a Nobel Peace Prize). No one knows anything about Cardale Jones other than he played very well for three games with an outstanding supporting cast. If J.T. Barrett doesn't get hurt no one knows his name. Okay, fine. Johnny Manziel didn't have an outstanding supporting cast? Luke Joekel, Mike Evans, Christine Michael, Damontre Moore, Jake Matthews. Several more can be added if you're talking about just college players. It's okay though, you go on believing that Johnny Manziel is all that and a bag of chips.
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It's okay though, you go on believing that Johnny Manziel is all that and a bag of chips. In college? Yes. NFL? No comment.
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When Braxton Miller got injured, many thought that was the Buckeyes year. J.T. Barrett stepped up and people forgot who Braxton Miller was. Then when J.T. Barrett got injured, people were saying (on this very message board) that their season was over. I might have been one of the few (maybe the only one) that wasn't concerned. I even wrote about it. Cardale Jones made people forget about J.T. Barrett. This might be the most telling thing of all. No matter who the QB was, Ohio State was good. I don't deny that, but even of the Ohio State QBs, Cardale Jones will probably be the best of them as an NFL QB. T.J. Barrett has opportunities, but he runs too much although he could be effective like Russell Wilson has been in Seattle. If you're building for the AFC North, Cardale Jones would be a better fit. Huge stature, QB smarts, cannon for an arm and he can truck over NTs when he tucks it and runs. 
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It's to early to give up on him. Let him get well and bring someone else in to compete with him.
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I know he was with the company but he was an owner of the Steelers and around there often.That is what I said. I thought it was a known fact that he was a Minority owner and not a Roony equal. I didn't know the obvious had to be clarified.EO, He was minority owner with the Steelers. Bought into them in 2008 and sold out 2012.
He had zero involvement with the Steelers operation. I said he was around there often. Hanging out observing...having conversations here n there with coaches and players. I hear reference to that when he bought the Browns.
I never said he was involved in any decision making process. Why do you guys take a word/sentence and then convert it to make me look stupid and you smart. ???
I am confused on the 08-sold out 2012 remark...yeah and???
Of course he had to sell out to be able to purchase the Browns.
My inference was that his mind was on NFL football a lot. It takes a lot of HOB KNOBBING to get in good with certain parties to make a purchase of an NFL team. His business dealing with Pilot was not 24/7 during that time.
Actually when the Crap hit the fan so to speak is when he said he would not be hanging out here much cause he was going to be 24/7 with the family business and see it through the mess they were in.
I'm saying my version is just as real as your version.
Its amazing how some people think their reading between the lines are fact and others some fantasy. 
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Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
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Truck stops count pennies on the profit of gum.
When profits of millions roll in all key figures know when and how.
Haslam's minority position for four years exposed him to professional football and got him a box seat at Steeler games. That is about it.
When you grow up in a business that your father started and you are expected to run: You know that business from the top down. Sports are a hobby.
Jimmy Haslam knew what was going down.
In the end I don't care. It has nothing to do with the Browns now. Haslam is not unlike a lot of guys who become billionaires.
Not really trying to call you out about what you believe.
It is minor in the scheme of things.
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Jimmy Haslam knew what was going down.
See I don't mind you having a different opinion than I do. But you state that not as opinion but as FACT.
When I see this as a proven fact I will be the first to say Bonefish and others were correct in THEIR OPINION.
But you expect me to say - Ok bone...my bad Halam definitely knew after all....hmmm after all.....errr after all....bonefish said so.
I don't think so. Am I right? I'm not stating anything as fact to be right. I'm stating this is not proven, possibly it could be this way. Until its proven I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I mean it doesn't change anything, either things will be proven or it won't be.
Me saying I'll wait to convict him - is not me coddling him, looking the other way, saying he was in the right. I will accept any decision by the LAW and NFL on this matter. Do I have a choice?
jmho if its ok
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He bought his way out and there will never be proof.
Like I said I don't care.
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Haslam needs a brain way before he needs a QB.
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Haslam needs a brain way before he needs a QB. New nickname for Haslam? Scarecrow?
Don't blame the clown for acting like a clown.
Ask yourself why you keep going to the circus.
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He can always ask the homeless man in such hard times   Oh don't be shocked if some surprise things develop after March 10th..
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In your opinion, what would those 'surprises' be?
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This is not the year to give up the house for a qb. The draft class is weak and so is the fa class. I would try to sign BH,Sanchez or Mallet. We don't know about JM but as of right now it doesn't look too good. You have Shaw as a 3rd qb. Next year we may be in a better position to land a good qb in the draft.
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Well in my opinion, one could be a trade..after March 10th..the other would be a trade during draft day.
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Who would we be trading or who would we be getting?
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Who would we be trading or who would we be getting?
I don't totally buy it myself right now..that'a why I said there could be a trade.
I do believe the Browns want Marriota ..and I want to see if that gains some steam also.
but I'll drop U a hint..it's a position of need.
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but I'll drop U a hint..it's a position of need. We're trading for Dwayne Bowe? Woot Woot!
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but I'll drop U a hint..it's a position of need. We're gonna get Shane Lechler?!?!
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This is not attention seeking at all. . .
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Well, it has to be QB, that and maybe WR is the only one I can see.
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Well, it has to be QB, that and maybe WR is the only one I can see. It's Lechler bro.
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Dawginit since Jan. 24, 2000 Member #180
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Is this code for I'm right? If so, I'm driving off a bridge on the way home from work. No Happy Hour for me.
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No..stop guessing..although they might try to upgrade numerous positions..but it's not so much who we're getting..it's who may be going if the right scenario develops.
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Tackles are tackles.
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No..stop guessing..although they might try to upgrade numerous positions..but it's not so much who we're getting..it's who may be going if the right scenario develops. Yeah, I've heard all the Johnny being shopped rumors too.
Tackles are tackles.
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OK obviously Attack Dawg is saying that Dallas is going to tag Dez Bryant and we are going to trade Johnny and Gordon for Bryant.
Obviously.
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Or we are going to trade for Shane Lechler. . .
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No..stop guessing..although they might try to upgrade numerous positions..but it's not so much who we're getting..it's who may be going if the right scenario develops. Yeah, I've heard all the Johnny being shopped rumors too.
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No..stop guessing..although they might try to upgrade numerous positions..but it's not so much who we're getting..it's who may be going if the right scenario develops. Yeah, I've heard all the Johnny being shopped rumors too.
Attack Dawg, I am ALWAYS on track.
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Have you said anything about Glennon and Mariotta?
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Please stop. Seriously.
If you actually had real information you would post it.
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Attack Dawg is the new Adam Schefter, only if Adam Schefter made up stuff and didn't actually say anything important.
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Glennon ain't going anywhere. They just cut McCown. They're not going to go into the new season with the same coaches and only something called "Seth Lobato" as the only QB that has any history with the offense.
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No..stop guessing..although they might try to upgrade numerous positions..but it's not so much who we're getting..it's who may be going if the right scenario develops. So we're trading Joe Thomas? 
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