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This is correct. He was prohibited from drinking alcohol under the terms of the CBA due to his guilty plea in his DUI case. No alcohol. Period. It is not like a drug test where there is an acceptable amount. This was a have none in your system, or fail, proposition.

Man, that would have been a sweet trade. I like Foles. Hope he becomes available this year, but I doubt he will.

Sorry Damanshot, Wasn't replying directly to you before just to all in general.

Dang calm down Arch or you'll blow a gasket. I understand all that. People are saying that he had 8 hours so all the alcohol should have been out of his system, I was just pointing out that that is not the case because nobody knows when he started drinking on the flight nor when he stopped plus he only had 4 hours to get to the testing site and I would imagine he didn't wait until the final minute to get tested because if something happened and he was late that would be considered a failed test. I'm not condoning what the guy did, he messed up, simple as that, just pointing out the flawed logic some are using.

I wonder what his BAC was when he was tested. That would be really interesting to know.

No Problemo

Not sure that matters.. Nobody said he was drunk. (not that I read anyway) Just that he had booze in his system.... Apparently that's the no no

You're wrong. pass/fail was .06. If he tested at .05, he would have passed.

The drug policies are up on NFLPA's site https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/m...icy_9-29-14.pdf

from the red zone............




NFLPA files grievance over Josh Gordon's Week 17 suspension
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2/17/2015 9:31:25 AM

The NFLPA has filed a non-injury grievance against the Cleveland Browns for wide receiver Josh Gordon's Week 17 suspension according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.

Gordon was suspended by the team for the final game of the season after missing the Saturday walkthrough. The suspension had far-reaching consequences for him, as it meant he only played five games during the 2014 season -- and therefore didn't accrue a year toward free agency. Of course that suspension is the least of the issues facing Gordon. He has already been suspended for at least the entire 2015 season after failing another test in the NFL substance abuse program.

I don't see how that appeal can win, considering that not showing up for work is what got him suspended.

Stranger things have happened so I suppose it's possible. But honestly, there isn't a way I see him winning this appeal either.

it's part of the process called blind squirell/nut.

Yeah, about zero chance of winning. That should be an easy decision for whoever is responsible for that decision.

Got news for ya. He'll never get it right. He's proven it. It's a fact.

He's still considered to be part of the Brown's. Anyone that still wants Gordon associated with the Brown's is not thinking about what is best for the team moving forward. I know many Brown's fans that don't want to see his name associated with the Browns anymore. And I see very few that do. The best we'll ever get out of Gordon is maybe a spattering of games in 2016 or only a 4th or 5th rd pick next year. Really? You want to have this POS hanging on to his Brown's lifeline for yet another suspension year. LOL Not me. It's freaking embarrassing to see the Brown's in this constant game with Gordon's BS. He needs to go elsewhere to work himself back into the NFL, if that's at all possible. He's had his chances here. He blew it. Good Bye.

I'm filing a grievance against him for being a jackass.

Likeliness to win... strong!

yea. put a pic and the link on the last page for eo. i guess with eo his logic and common sense tells him thats in the CBA for people who are allowed to drink.

No, you can't say he'll NEVER get it right. You assume so, and I agree but it CAN'T be said with any degree of authority that he will NEVER get it right.

We are talking about a human being here. One thing I know for sure, people do indeed change. Sometimes for the better and sometimes not.

There is plenty of time to cut him. We don't need a knee jerk reaction. Now is the time for cooler heads to prevail.

It hurts nothing, costs us nothing, doesn't send ANY message at all to keep him tied to a contract.

As far reaching as his pot smokng, or drank or speeding etc?

again he looks at it from the I am entittled slant... and the NFLPA plays right into it...

I used to be on his side..but he just dont get it... sad.. now I just feel pity for him.... smh (2)

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He was prohibited from ANY alcohol consumption. What's so difficult to understand?

like i said. that over/under in the CBA is for players that are allowed to drink.

We live in a society where the guilty have more rights than the innocent.

We agree on this!

Gordon's actions have proved to me he won't change.

One more time, it does hurt the Brown's. It's not what's good for the team. He's cost us too much already and he'll cost us more if he keep him on, mark my words.

If this is what "Play like a Brown" means to the FO then I'm done with Brown's. CYA

Bye.

+1

It would be beyond stupid to cut the guy right now.

I would certainly say that it would make no sense to do so right now. We would have no chance of getting anything for him, at all, ever. Just because he has been a moron so far, doesn't mean that he won;t emerge from this and appear to be cleaned up, which would allow us to recoup something, even if only a 6th or 7th round pick for him. He costs us nothing while he is on suspension. Why throw away a potential asset. Maybe he never returns from suspension, and in that event, he still costs us nothing. The only time we have to make a decision on Gordon is when he is reinstated by the NFL. Until then he is a name on the suspended list, and nothing more, He costs us nothing.

yea absolutely no reason to cut the guy. let him sit and watch for a full year with no promise of being allowed to play at the end of that year. He has been given chance after chance after chance.

I want to see what happens when he has to earn the chance to play in this league. Right now he is still blaming the browns and everyone else for what has happened with him. Maybe no football for atleast the next 18 months and he will come to his senses.

Yup. You don't make the decision on his status until you HAVE to make the decision on his status. In the interim, you monitor, evaluate, and plan.

Until then, he's a piece of property whose value could rebound depending upon his actions and attitude. When the time comes to decide, if he hasn't gotten his act together, then we can toss him aside - no harm, no foul, no sweat off our backs.

However, if he cleans his act up and turns things around, then he is either an asset to us to help us directly, or he is an asset that can be traded for someone else that will.

In short, there are three ways this shakes down in the long haul, and two of them benefit us simply by doing nothing and being patient, and the third doesn't hurt us at all.

Acting now, however, while it *may* not hurt us, it definitely stands no chance of helping us.

This story was in Wednesday's Plain Dealer newspaper and titled, "Almost taking responsibility for mistakes one of the catches with Josh Gordon."

I usually don't care for Bud Shaw's writing style, but I kinda liked this story.

Here it is, only with a new header online: 'Josh Gordon's grievance makes him look even less accountable than usual -- Bud Shaw'

http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2015/02/cleveland_browns_josh_gordon_r.html

By Bud Shaw, Northeast Ohio Media Group on February 17, 2015 at 3:40 PM, updated February 17, 2015 at 6:35 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- At the heart of the grievance filed on behalf of Josh Gordon is yet another suggestion that he's been wronged, this time by a team that has every reason to be weary of his immaturity and recklessness.

Gordon's suspension for the final game of 2014, if upheld, would delay his unrestricted free agency until after the 2017 season. The NFLPA will argue that could cost Gordon millions.

By that the union means millions more than he's already cost himself. If he's pursuing the grievance at the urging of the NFLPA, I wouldn't be surprised. But both parties do so at the risk of making him look even less accountable than he already appears.

(A cleveland.com report later Tuesday said Gordon's contention is he was never informed of previous instances of tardiness. If that's true, he might even have a case. No paper trail could mean no grounds for suspension. It's just so difficult to see him as the aggrieved party after yet another incident.)

The multiple violations of the drug policy? The subsequent indefinite suspension? Those have crippled his future power almost as much as a free agency he may never see. But he can't contest those, so he clings to only argument available to him.

That argument being that other Browns arrived late to team meetings and treatments and weren't suspended. That he didn't know his tardiness was an issue. That the Browns were looking for a reason to deliver a suspension smackdown.

It's obvious (to Gordon and the NFLPA if no one else) the Browns suspended him for the Baltimore game to keep him from accruing the necessary six games to qualify for restricted free agency after 2015, then unrestricted free agency after 2016.

If so, the Browns probably think it makes him more treadeable. Because it's pretty clear -- if it wasn't already before the grievance filing -- he's not going to play for the Browns again.

Gordon missed 10 games last season (a reduction), returned half the player he was in 2013 (when he missed the first two games while suspended), broke off routes, didn't fight for passes. Then didn't show up for the final walk-through of the season and was sent home from the airport when the team departed for Baltimore.

Johnny Manziel and Justin Gilbert spent a three-hour timeout in the locker room in Baltimore. Manziel was already on injured reserve. Gilbert was disciplined for being tardy to a Saturday night team meeting. Apparently that made it too late to officially suspend him.

Whatever the Browns' motivation for suspending Gordon, it's safe to say all Gordon had to do to hit those free agency benchmarks he's now fighting for is show up and walk around.

As Cris Carter pointed out about Manziel, who missed treatment on his hamstring and needed an in-person wake up call from team security on the same day Gordon missed the walk-through, all the rookie had to do was get out of bed and lie down again on a trainer's table.

Nothing much more than that was required of Gordon. If he were on time and stayed vertical, the Browns had no reason to suspend him.

At every step Gordon has almost taken responsibility for his actions. Almost.

When he failed a test for marijuana it was just a smidge over the limit. His bad, sort of. Same with his DUI.

The codeine was for a cold. He said he'd take responsibility. But really now how was he to know? The alcohol came after the Browns' season ended. He thought it was OK.

OK?

So now the Browns did him wrong again by suspending him, and he seeks restitution. If suspending him constitutes an ulterior motive for his employer, the payoff isn't so rich as to be obvious.

The final-game suspension gives them one more year of control over a player but it's a player who may never play for them again.

One more year of control could make it easier to trade him. But why would a trade partner give up anything substantial for Gordon given his history and the consequences of his next mistake?

And if there is a next mistake, rest assured he'll admit it was his fault. Kind of.



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I don't know if it would be stupid or not to cut him right now. I don't really care if they cut him or not. Chances are we will probably never get any more real production out of him. Even if they do he will probably leave as soon as he can. His attitude last season points in that direction.

Yep. And his "I didn't know" reply to every other thing he gets in trouble for wears thin after awhile, even if it might be the truth.

-Who does he think he is, Jimmy Haslam?

If Gordon actually said this (or something close to it), then that tells me all I need to know...

Gordon reminds me of the trouble makers/slackers/thugs in the schools. It's always the fault of someone else.

And for some crazy reason, these trouble makers/thugs/slackers are always supported and all the innocent people receive the blame.

One day...........maybe we take back our country.

I hate to see this young man headed for disaster in his life, maybe Johnny can avoid the same path with his choice ...