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Pit, my take on you...someone I have never met in real life, but we have PM'ed before about personal matters...is that you are a guy of good moral integrity and standards. So why would you come to the defense of someone who wouldn't just come out and say where they got the information from instead of acting like they know someone who knows someone? What's wrong with just being honest?

There could have been two positives with just being honest: a) let others know there is another board out there with information they might enjoy and b) give a plug to the OBR that might create more subscribers for that site. Instead it comes across as some mask of secrecy.

Actually in the rules of this board you can't talk about other boards or promote other sites.

And I'm not saying this has anything to do with Attacks points, but I do know people who currently, or in the past posted on this board who have or have had connections with players and inside the organization who couldn't reveal their sources yet wanted to share some of the things they knew and learned with posters on this board.

My point was a basic one. A lot of times Attack has provided some very good information. As such, I don't question where that information comes from. I prefer not to question his character because over the years and years of posting, I've found him to be very credible.

I don't see how questions of character on a message board do anything to further a football discussion.

I know all of this. If you just follow certain people on Twitter you know where he is getting his information.

For example, Lane Adkins (he is really bad at Twitter).

You and Rish are really remind me of this person who tries too hard to figure out if there's a ulterior motive..

I don't know who that person is. Does she pretend she has real information, announce it, then not say what it is so that people will then ask what it is?

Hey guys, I heard something about our team that may or may not happen. It involves a player on the team. I can't say what it is though, but you guys can guess!

Have you ever been described as stubborn?

Would you give it a rest. Sheesh!

He explained his reasoning. It makes sense, but you continue to make fun of him.

Let it go!

Don't sweat it Vers..I'll become the new Bill Cosby of the Dawgtalker forum...I get posters drunk with info teases from outside sites...then I pinch them!

Attack if you get good info you cant post of the forum then please feel free to pm it to me anytime. I have seems some great posts by you =)

On rare occasion. I prefer the term "strong willed individual" though. While it means pretty much the same thing, it has a much better ring to it.

No, I've just posted on Dawgtalkers since it was the official message board of the Browns back in 1999 and happen to know for a fact that Attack has been giving some very valuable information for years. As such, I have learned from experience not to question his motives. That experience is far more valuable to me than anything those who may not know this has to say.

If you heard it from your inside the lockerroom source, you are the new Coach B.

Whatever Pit. This situation is about as black and white as you can get.

But you go ahead and make sure to stand up for the old guard.

See, this is the problem with debate with "stubborn" or "strong willed" people. No matter what, they will see whatever side they commit themselves to early in the process. You're really no different than Vers. As I said before, you're just more polite about it.

Have fun with that.

It's about a long pattern of accountability in what one has posted over the years. It has nothing to do with old guard. There is something to be said for accountability over time. If that is something you don't understand, more power to you.

I explained it's against the rules to promote other boards and other sites. I explained that Attack has a record of posting some very good info.

If you expect me to join into some character assassination campaign, I wouldn't hold my breath. I don't use much inflammatory language towards other posters, but there will come a point that I can play that game too. You haven't quite reached that level yet but I can see how you're attempting to.

You certainly fit the example of one who chooses a side and then is unflinching.

The old guard? Pfffttt....you can't see how hypocritical that is?

And I am tired of you slamming me all the time when I haven't even addressed you.

You are trying to make Pit change his tone by comparing him w/me in a negative way.

How freaking loathsome is that? Guys like you, PDR, cfrs, Dj, and Memphis run around here telling people what to think, who to like, who to not like, etc. eotab asked where is ddub? He isn't posting because of posters like you guys.

You know........the old guard had heated arguments on here all the time. Hell, Pit and I argued all the time. But, we never acted like you guys do. We certainly did whine about which side to choose in an argument and make it an us against them mentality.

Argue each case on its merits and stop w/your bullying techniques.

A threat? Really? On a Browns message board?

I don't even know what to say anymore.

I will say this. Maybe one day the Browns will be good. And maybe one day we will get to meet. And I'll buy you a beer. And Vers too.

Take care guys. Go Browns!

More Mature,, Much better

Can I get a list of who is "old guard" and who isn't. Some of those calling out the "old guard" are posters that I would consider "old guard". It's so confusing.

What I think it comes down to is your track record. If you say something that sounds a little wacky but in the past your wacky statements turn out to be true 80% of the time then you get some leeway. If you say something wacky in one of your 1st 100 posts then it is hard to take you seriously. True or not, without that track record you don't get the benefit of the doubt.

I played "outside" Guard in 8th grade ( ran an unbalanced line)... 1970 in New Springfield so I guess i qualify too.

Well since I'm "Off the deep end" and so much like Vers, I thought you would expect that from me? At least that's the way you describe things to try to get a rise out of people.

The odd thing is, more often than not Vers and I don't agree. And even though we've went after each other pretty heavy on this bard we met and got along fine.

It's a lot easier to claim people are "off the deep end" and try to get a rise out of them on a message board than it is in person. So I'd say we would get along just fine.

I gave up football before middle school but I did play point guard on the HS basketball team.. is that enough?

Oh it's not me you have to convince! I think those of us who have been here for a long time simply know each other pretty well. It's not about "the old guard" as it is a familiarity with each other over a long course of time.

I mean I don't see things as rosy as you do and you don't see things as bad as I do. We understand that will be the case for the most part. We also expect that for the most part. It brings a sense of balance and different perspectives to the board. Not that one is better than the other or a strict right or wrong in certain cases.

And while we often disagree, I do like the diversity of opinions. So no, my style of posting and that of Vers are quite different, but I enjoy having Vers here too. I think we all add something of value to the board.

Even Rish.

I was too big for guard in an old wing T offense. Guess I'll just fade quietly into the corner with all the other tackles.

wing T... damn you are old...


jk ya know.

I ran the Wing T. We confused opponents on a weekly basis w/it. We even used a ZBS while running it. Some of our backs would run right by would-be tacklers because they were so confused on all the counters, traps, reverses, double hand-offs, etc.

And yeah, I am old.

Btw-----------what was this thread about? Oh yeah, we need to get a QB? How many years have we been saying that, y'all?

Mike Mayok is saying this is a very weak Qb class... so yeah, awesome. Sorry but I'd say I have more faith in Connor Shaw than Manziel and I don't know if Hoyer will be back.

I just hope we can pick someone who isn't going to be an off field issue and can do what is asked of him in hopefully what is a run first offense. That includes making the right reads,knowing the play book and can hit an open target long or short

Spot on.

I'm here nearly everyday. I just don't bother posting because there are a small crowd of posters who seem to wedge in making every thread about themselves in one way or another.

And then there are the personal attacks. It gets very annoying to see thread topics ruined as they're taken over by that crap.

The sad part of it is some of them don't even realize they do it because to them, that's part of what debating is. Then there's others who do know they do it because that's what they think debating is. Either way, it boils down to if one has nothing else to offer then one resorts to personal attacks in an effort to make ones self feel superior to those of whom one can't debate using logic and facts.

It's also a sure sign that one who does resort to personal attacks is showing that they feel like they're losing the debate so they reach into their bag of tricks pulling out an insult hoping to distract the topic, which is usually what happens as the one being attacked jumps away from the topic to defend himself. Then that becomes the new topic, as it has done here.

It's childish, playground crap and it both disrupts and waters down each and every otherwise good football discussion.

There's probably less than a dozen posters I chose to read anymore as I scroll past the nonsense.

That's pretty sad because you are truly one of the best posters who has ever graced this board. You and Clem have a lot in common.

You might not be pure football guys, but you both love to learn and have an intelligence and way w/words that make you a viable commodity to the board. I love how eloquent you both are.

I apologize for my part in all of this. I know that I am guilty of some of what you said. Believe me, bro.........you are more valuable to this board than I am!

I see a QB selection as one of the first three, unless a big FA/Trade move is made. The only QB's that would change my opinion would be Foles, Bradford and maybe Sanchez.

Need will trump supply at the QB position.

I coached for several years at the local HS.We ran the spread as our base,but the oline play was straight out of the wingT playbook.
We could line up 3-4 wide,then shift into a wingT or power I set and run the ball.Or stay spread and run Q counter,devasting play.
In my mind the wingT is the father of all modern O's,especially zone.I wish I had a dollar for every time I yelled "you don't block a man,you block a coarse."
I could talk for hours on this, but I doubt if anyone is interested,there's no agenda.

But that's the good stuff!

I'm too young to remember the Wing T. hahaha No I'm not. I'm older than dirt. But those things escaped me back then. (Just like a lot of X's and O's do now.)

I was always a "follow the ball" type of observer. I never realized it until Diam mentioned that trait some years ago and I thought, "That's what I do".

Since then I focus on the trenches until the play is well underway. I enjoy it more this way as I can better see the plays develop.

I know this is only what it is ,/... but I have coached youth football for 11 years now, the offense they run ( I am soley DC) is a double wing and they use a GOD blocking technique

G - Inside Gap ( 1st)
O - Over or ON - man in front (2nd)
D - Down - man to your inside has a man Over (3rd)