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I don't know, but I sure would like to see it someday- if only to satisfy my 15-year-old curiosity.

We would be in a much better position in terms of QB than we are now with Manziel, and we wouldn't have had to move up to acquire him - it just would have worked out better for us in many ways, even if Teddy ends up not making it a NFL starter, but at least he showed some ability, something to have hope off. Manziel has showed reason to NOT have hope.

I was on record of never wanting Manziel and I even was prepared for the team to move up to get Teddy. When Teddy kept falling, I was even getting more excited until they did what they did...

It would be unthinkable! Want to write rave reviews about how well our starter played, and reviewing a solid performance. Tired of all the past QB crap, competitions, controversy, and I told you so.'s. Winning some this past season reminded me how much more fun football is with an offense that doesn't rely solely on FGs.

Hope we lock some stuff down tight early with these new and (I feel) improved offensive coaches.

I think it is needful to have a better TC for this season coming. I agree. But I would be curious to hear who the "crowded" might include. Wish away.

I also think to improve that we will need to be less crowded as well.

Good post. I just don't get all these posters hating on Teddy. I wonder if any of them even watched the guy play last year?

The guy played all season outdoors. In freaking Minnesota! He played outdoors in Green Bay and Chicago.

His detractors said he could never play in cold weather, yet he set rookie records. His arm strength was NEVER a problem in the cold and windy stadiums.

Man, people just make crap up to suit their beliefs.

I will say that Teddy threw more picks than I thought he would, but he was always under heavy pressure. Minni's OL sucks at pass blocking. He didn't have Peterson. His WRs were far below average.

How in the hell can people say he didn't prove himself?

I think this is just Grossi's opinion, but....:



https://twitter.com/ESPNCleveland

But the way this is worded makes it seem like he might know something but has been told to not quote 'sources'....JMO.

Yeah I mean, I'm not going to say yet he's a pro, soon to be HOF'er - but he's played better than a lot of rookie quaterbacks of that class (some would argue that he played better than all - I really didn't pay an awful lot attention to the others like Bortles and etc to agree or disagree, honestly.)

I could say I'd likely, as in 80-90% chance of likeliness - be coming into this offseason feeling better at our QB situation having factored in taking Teddy instead of Johnny. Whether you love or hated JF or loved or hated Bridgewater, I'd bet you'd all be saying the same. And yes, Teddy didn't really have a great supporting cast there in Viking land. Especially in terms of a protecting o-line. And again, yes he threw a little more INT's than I would've predicted, but for facts mentioned by you already Vers, it cannot be a total discredit to him.



I thought I picked up genuine interest from when the front office and staff were asked about Brian in bringing him back. Likely a Grossi thing, or perhaps a Hoyer wanting too much money thing - or perhaps a reality they just aren't interested in Hoyer's services as the front office and staff all made it "seem". You know, with the "balls in his court" and "he has the leverage" stuff they all were saying.

If we offered both of our first round picked for Bridgewater, the Vikings would say no.

I think you are right and that says all that needs to be said.

That is an excellent point.

Terry's Talkin' about how Cleveland Browns GM Ray Farmer has to take a different approach to the draft -- Terry Pluto

THINKING ABOUT BRIAN HOYER

I received a tip from Bob Rose on Twitter about Brian Hoyer's success in the AFC North.

In five starts, he's 3-2 with five touchdowns, no interceptions and completing 64 percent of his passes.

He is 2-0 vs. the Bengals, 1-1 vs. Pittsburgh and 0-1 vs. Baltimore.

In those five games, the Browns scored 31-27-24-21-17 points. His defeats were 30-27 at Pittsburgh and 23-21 at home to Baltimore.

Hoyer fell apart in his final four starts, throwing eight interceptions compared to one touchdown. For the most part, he looked very bad in those games.

But another team could look at the free-agent quarterback and see reasons for his decline -- from the Alex Mack injury to Miles Austin (his favorite receiver) being hurt in Game 11, to the disaster that was Josh Gordon once he became eligible to play.

And the Manziel circus in the media and elsewhere didn't help. Hoyer also was coming off significant knee surgery.

I mention this because the Browns have said they are looking at free agent quarterback Josh McCown, who is 36. With Tampa Bay, McCown had a 70.5 rating and threw 14 interceptions compared to 11 touchdowns.

Hoyer was at 12 touchdowns compared to 13 interceptions, a 76.5 rating last season.

Why McCown over Hoyer? Maybe it's all a "smokescreen," as Farmer mentioned when explaining why he gives out so little information about anything. Certainly the Browns have not expressed much enthusiasm for Hoyer.

Maybe they can find someone better, but it won't be easy in this free-agent market or draft. Perhaps they can work a trade. But they really do need to think again about Hoyer.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2015/02/terrys_talkin_about_how_clevel.html

Why would the Browns offer 2 first round draft picks for a player that averaged 7 yards per attempt. We had that last year with Brian Hoyer and quite a few fans want to run him out of town.

If we offer our two first round picks for Bridgewater, Haslam should be forced to sell the team.

what would everyone talk about if we didn't have first rounders to screw up?

Seriously?

He has been investigate for fraud. No big deal.

He has fired numerous people. No big deal.

It has been said he has interfered w/the draft and coaching decisions. No big deal.

He might want to trade our two first round picks for Mariotta. No big deal.

But, trading for a qb who looked decent in a terrible situation is cause for him to sell the team????

LOL............you guys are priceless.

Yeah, Minnesota wouldn't trade Bridgewater for two firsts. The same people that are gloating about drafting him are still there.

Carr might be had for that price, though... They have a new coach and a new OC and will probably be in place to draft Mariota.

You are missing the point. The point is that Minnesota would NOT trade Teddy for two first round picks.

That translates to he is pretty darn good and that they believe he is their future.

So let me get this straight.....

People believe it's possible to trade up for a guy like Mariota who comes from the spread and has never played a down in the NFL. A total question mark. But don't believe they would trade those same picks for a QB who has proven he can win in the NFL?

I wonder how many GMs around the NFL laughed at Farmer when he drafted Manziel and Gilbert?
Both had red flags that said "caution STAY AWAY.BUYER BEWARE"
what if Farmer was intelligent enough to draft Bridgwater and Beckham?
This would have been a darn close playoff team in 2014.

If Farmer would have drafted Teddy and Beckham Jr, we would have been a playoff team last year and we would be salivating at the prospects of the upcoming season.

Oh I never said Farmer would.

I mean we gave a #22 and a 3rd for Johnny Rehab so I'm not sure what he did last year should have any bearing on what he does this year. As a matter of fact, I sure hope it doesn't.

Pit: Please don't think I'm trying to mock you here, but you must admit that was one great punchline...

I still think no matter what Manziel was Haslam's call. Farmer was the fall guy.

this has been a burning question of mine.

after the 2013 season, Haslam cleaned house in what? February? after banner had fired chud and Co. in January?

So Farmer becomes the GM out of nowhere, and now has to find a HC and other staff, while dealing with the FA market, singing/resigning/releasing/trading players, all before his first official 2014 draft in May

So he's been more or less a GM for 3 months.

some posters on this board are speculating, and most likely right, that Haslam was the guy that pulled the trigger on Manziel.

and they rag on Farmer because he didn't have the stones/balls to step up and say no.

I'm trying to figure out what posters expected from a Fresh off the boat GM with less than 4 months experience. I mean how many of you guys have gotten a new job, and told the CEO of that company that we aren't doing things his way, but my way? and you're still more or less wet between the ears?

mind boggling.

The biggest problem with the Cleveland Browns is lack of continuity in management. Since returning in 99 we have suffered through continual changes in leadership from owners to GMs to HC to OC & DC. It realistically takes between 3-5 years for a system to take hold. (Some will point to other places where major changes have yielded instant positive results, but those are the exceptions, not the rule.) Yet if the magic hasn't happened in 1-2 years, we have blown it up and started from scratch again. We can't keep changing defenses from 3-4 to 4-3 and back again within 4 years; or offensive schemes from West Coast to vertical to run-first in the span of 5 years; drafting and signing players that don't fit the system 2 years later, and changing the system every other season.

Our arch-rivals, the Pittsburgh Steelers, are the very model of consistency. The Rooney family has owned them since their inception in 1933. Since 1969 (46 yrs) they have had 3 HC, Noll, Cowher, and Tomlin. Dick LeBeau was their DC for 10 yrs. They have enjoyed success because they have a structure that has been in place for decades, has changed when needed, but has never been scraped and rebuilt from the ground up.

We have to, for once, let this team management establish themselves, go through process of building a team with their players, their systems, and their culture. This means accepting the fact that mistakes will be made, that success won't be instantaneous. But if we allow them to learn, to grow and mature together as a team, they can establish a consistency that can be adjusted as needed WITHOUT scrapping and rebuilding again and again.

Farmer didn't come out of nowhere. He was our assistant GM and was being interviewed for other GM positions.

Farmer didn't hire Pettine. He was promoted after Pettine was hired. Banner, Haslam, and Lombardi hired Pettine.

I agree with you, if your boss wants to do something you either do what he says or he goes over your head. I don't think being new had anything to do with it. I think Haslam can't submit to the knowledge of the people he hired.

No.

If Haslam made the call on Manziel, then why did we pass on him at 4, to trade down to 9? Why did we pass on him when we traded up to 8? Remember, the talking heads had him going in the top 10.

Instead, we waited, and let him fall. It was only until he fell way down the board that we moved for him.

If Haslam desperately wanted Manziel, I think that we would have taken him at 4, just to be sure that we got him.

It's possible he knew that he wasn't worth that high of a pick.

I didn't take offense to it. I do kinda laugh when you get all worked up like that.

There were too many moves made to expect that Haslam was the guy who made that decision. Farmer moved around so much in the draft that he would have worn out the USPS change of address office if he were a piece of mail. That makes it hard for me to believe that Haslam was so 100% committed to grabbing Manziel, and was the driving force behind the pick/. Too many variables fell into place for it to have been the owner's call.

Yet the QB coach said that when Haslam was made aware of the text from JFF, he told them to make the move. Hmmmmm....

That is a very good argument.

yeah my OL love it when I lose my temper and go on a spit flying vein popping tirade. Rare now a days cause I'm all medicated up to keep me low key and mellow. lol but most of them are - Dang Coach I love it when you yell like that!

Drugs don't suppress the finger tips that well...